USD is in.

[bub94]

Re: USD is in.

Actually, I only posted it twice. I changed one post from "threat" to "possibility". Other posters have mentioned their opinions (you have yours and others can have theirs) that Centenary could be leaving the Summit League (read other threads). If they were to leave, the Summit League would want to fortify the league by having colleges closer to each other join (ex. having USD join and keeping UND in mind---they are a lot closer than La.). Did the Summit League jump because they were afraid USD could join a different conference? No. They could have waited for everything to sort out with UND and added both. I just think there was reason to add USD because there could be a change and I agree with what others have said in the past.

[JackJD]

Re: USD is in.

Bub: If I summarize your post, you've just told us you have no evidence, no source, only opinion that Centenary "may" leave. Did I get it right?

[1stRowFANatic]

Re: USD is in.

I would just add that a "threat" does not have to mean that Centenary told the league anything like, "We need this or will be leaving." The threat that Bub and others may be referencing is that fact that it is such a small school that is geographically disadvantaged in the Summit League.

[bub94]

Re: USD is in.

Bub: If I summarize your post, you've just told us you have no evidence, no source, only opinion that Centenary "may" leave. Did I get it right?

You get an A+ Mr. JackJD.

[Rabbit74]

Re: USD is in.

If Centenary or anyone else was about to leave, The Summit League would go for and established program to maintain it's AQ status. Neither USD, UND or any other transitioning school counts for a long time.

[zooropa]

Re: USD is in.

Other posters have mentioned their opinions (you have yours and others can have theirs)

Well, IMO, any theory regarding USD's admittance that starts off with the assumption that Centenary officials have been lying through their teeth is dismissable out of hand, absent any evidence in support of it.

[zooropa]

Re: USD is in.

If Centenary or anyone else was about to leave, The Summit League would go for and established program to maintain it's AQ status. Neither USD, UND or any other transitioning school counts for a long time.

Exactly. Someone over on Bisonville said that's (short term) about the only way Chicago State would get back in. Chicago State would be a 'counter' immediately.

Although the flip side of that is the NCAA has the flexibility to grant a waiver on AQ status, and the Summit could (IMO) legitimately make the case for a waiver request on this basis:

AQ tournament sports sponsored by the Summit:
Men's basketball - 2009 NDSU
Women's basketball - 2009 SDSU (won first round game)
Volleyball - 2008 SDSU, 2009 NDSU
Baseball - hey, we have this thing called 'winter' up here...
Softball - 2009 NDSU (probable)
Men's Soccer - neither school sponsors
Women's Soccer - 2008 SDSU (won first round game)

If the argument for suspending the Summit's AQ is that the conference's newcomers are diluting the strength of the conference........

[TeaJackrabbit]

Re: USD is in.

. They only were good in basketball because they could bring in D-1 guys who wanted more PT or what ever reason to play, now they are not going to be getting those recruits anymore, how do they expect many high school kids to tour the dump and be excited that most games they are lucking to get 1000 fans when they can go to programs with nicer facilities and better crowds and many other things that affect athletes choices...

Not to mention they're not going to have half the schedule be NAIA, D2 schools and lousy D1 Independents. The Summit isn't exactly the Big XII but they'll have to play SDSU twice, NDSU twice, Oakland possibly twice and ORU, not to mention schools like IUPUI, UMKC, SUU could be much improved by 2011. And by 2011 only a couple current players will be on their team. It's going to be a long road. They are lucky that SDSU paved the way, they are not lucky that SDSU got a headstart on them. It could take them a looooong time to catch up.

[TeaJackrabbit]

Re: USD is in.

I am going to lamblasted for saying this, but USD is a great addition to The Summit. Their basketball teams are competitive, it is a conference game for us that is only a 2 hour drive, and the renewed rivalry will be fun.

I completely agree.

When I talked about USD and UND coming to the Summit a couple months ago I was very surprised to see the amount of people who were dead set against it (especially since you KNEW it was eventually going to happen). We have to let it go. We went, they didn't. They mocked us for it. We've gotten the headstart, we've had the success, now they have all the pressure of trying to walk in our footsteps. Admit it or not, like it or not, their arrival in the Summit will only help us.

I'm as bitter as anyone, but we need to let it go. We can hold our head high knowing that we got the ball rolling, that we took the chance, that we made our own way and that we've enjoyed success. They mocked us, told us it wouldn't work and the next thing you know they're on our doorstep w/ hat in hand. Rivalries are healthy and rivalries make money and rivalries create interest.

I follow the Kansas program and you better believe there are very hard feelings w/ them and Missouri going back to the slave days. There are hard feelings w/ KU and K-State b/c of the difference of the people and the fact that they're in-state rivals. But I don't think one Kansas fan would ever wish Missouri or K-State to go to a different conference.

Welome to D1 Udot....now go make me a sammich and grab me a beer.

[NightHawk78]

Re: USD is in.

Welcome to the Summit League, Coyote fans.

I figured that USD's entry was a foregone conclusion once they received a campus visit. I only wish that USD would have had to prove themselves in D-I more than they did before receiving an invite.

Since SDSU and USD will be competing regularly in most sports, a Rushmore Cup (or pick your desired name) should be created to serve as a traveling trophy going to the school with the best comprehensive performance.

As for football . . .

[joeboo22]

Re: USD is in.

Welcome to the Summit League, Coyote fans.

I figured that USD's entry was a foregone conclusion once they received a campus visit. I only wish that USD would have had to prove themselves in D-I more than they did before receiving an invite.

Since SDSU and USD will be competing regularly in most sports, a Rushmore Cup (or pick your desired name) should be created to serve as a traveling trophy going to the school with the best comprehensive performance.

As for football . . .

I was thinking like a live cow or a goat or something..... I don't want to cup....

[NightHawk78]

Re: USD is in.

I was thinking like a live cow or a goat or something..... I don't want to cup....

lol . . . I don't want to get PETA involved . . . besides, a cow might lead to a frozen coyote or rabbit

Most conferences have awards for overall athletic performance and I thought that an overall trophy might be more positive than the old SDSU-USD rivalry traditions.

[Kemo]

Re: USD is in.

Since SDSU and USD will be competing regularly in most sports, a Rushmore Cup (or pick your desired name) should be created to serve as a traveling trophy going to the school with the best comprehensive performance.

As for football . . .

I don't like the "cup" idea or it being won by "comprehensive performance". If we are going to have a traveling trophy lets make it be a Twinky since it will outlast the rivalry and probably the Earth itself. And the Twinky goes to winner of the men's basketball series... and if for some reason we split the series, the Twinky goes to Augustana (for nesalgic purposes) for a year... as long as they promise not to eat it.

[NightHawk78]

Re: USD is in.

If we are going to have a traveling trophy lets make it be a Twinky since it will outlast the rivalry and probably the Earth itself. And the Twinky goes to winner of the men's basketball series... and if for some reason we split the series, the Twinky goes to Augustana (for nesalgic purposes) for a year... as long as they promise not to eat it.

ok . . . at least the SDSU athletic department staff could just pick that trophy up at the truck stop on their way to Vermillion.

Seriously, the resumption of this rivalry needs at least one symbolic gesture to represent a new era. Otherwise, the rivalry could easily slip back to the tradition of crude insults, extreme drunkenness, vehicle vandalism, flying animals, shower defecation, and so forth.

Even though SDSU and NDSU had been rivals for over 100 years, the introduction of the Dakota Marker symbolized a new era for the rivalry and brought it to the next level. IMO, if the student groups had not created the Dakota Marker, the transition to D-I would have been a lot more treacherous.

For those that may say a "Rushmore Cup" would only promote beating USD (or beating SDSU for the folks in Coyote County), place a point premium for winning the conference.

[zooropa]

Re: USD is in.

I don't know about an award for cumulative athletic achievement, as there wouldn't be an on-field contest to attend.

I would much rather see a resumption of the football series in the general vicinity of Nov. 2nd

The USD/SDSU football series dates to 1889--it is the oldest state/u rivalry in the country, and it is as old as South Dakota itself.

Coming up with a suitable traveling trophy and holding the event reasonably close to the statehood anniversary is, IMO, a game that could take on some larger meaning.

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Failing that, the basketball teams could take turns giving up home games against each other for the "Dakota Duel" in Sioux Falls (hopefully with a better name). A WBB & MBB doubleheader on a Saturday

(e.g. 2012 SDSU plays USD in Brookings and Sioux Falls, 2013 SDSU plays USD in Vermillion and Sioux Falls, etc.)