Summit MBB 2018-19 conference

[SoDakJack]

Re: Summit MBB 2018-19 conference

If we focus on filling our roster with just kids from SD, we are going to live in the bottom half of the SL. We just need to find kids that will stick around and not venture for greener pastures. Not an exact science to do that but if you make it hard for them to leave because of the intangibles in your program, that is about all you can do.

Agree. We also have to remember that if we didnt lose our HC we wouldn't be having this conversation. In the current age that we are in when it comes to basketball, kids are committing to coaches and not schools. If we can get a coach that is happy and stays around for awhile, we might see some of the transfers slow down.

Of course, if I'm a college basketball player and one of the big boys come calling it may not matter who the coach is at the time. We just need to learn to take any of these talented kids for granted when we watch them at Frost/DJD.

[goon]

Re: Summit MBB 2018-19 conference

If we focus on filling our roster with just kids from SD, we are going to live in the bottom half of the SL. We just need to find kids that will stick around and not venture for greener pastures. Not an exact science to do that but if you make it hard for them to leave because of the intangibles in your program, that is about all you can do.

I think the wolters years. We had several sd kids and local kids and those teams were pretty solid. I think we need to stay in the quad state region for most of our talent but still venture out.

[BTownJack]

Re: Summit MBB 2018-19 conference

This is the reason that I really hope hendo focuses his recruiting on South Dakota kids first. I’d rather take a local kid who is much more likely to stay loyal to the program for the duration of college than have kids from all over the country only to transfer out if they are good or if they aren’t getting much playing time. Those can be found anywhere in the Midwest and abroad. I know we have had success with non local kids before but that trend is going to start becoming few and far between (or already has)

If we focus on filling our roster with just kids from SD, we are going to live in the bottom half of the SL. We just need to find kids that will stick around and not venture for greener pastures. Not an exact science to do that but if you make it hard for them to leave because of the intangibles in your program, that is about all you can do.

[westernjack]

Re: Summit MBB 2018-19 conference

This is the reason that I really hope hendo focuses his recruiting on South Dakota kids first. I’d rather take a local kid who is much more likely to stay loyal to the program for the duration of college than have kids from all over the country only to transfer out if they are good or if they aren’t getting much playing time. I know we have had success with non local kids before but that trend is going to start becoming few and far between (or already has)

[goon]

Re: Summit MBB 2018-19 conference

There are more than 600 players in the men's basketball transfer portal. Percentage wise that seems to be way higher than the number that transfer in football and women's basketball. Anyone have any thoughts on reasons why the transfer numbers are so dramatically different ?

Any mid major thinks their going to be the next Matt Mooney. Guys will transfer and hope they get lucky in a new spot and team. All I know is I dont like it. If a coach is fired or family hardship is about all I agree with. NCAA doesn't care as long as it's good for the power schools.

[bigticket1]

Re: Summit MBB 2018-19 conference

It's disappointing whats happening to college basketball.The gap between the haves and have nots continues to widen. Even star DII players moving up to mid-majors. FCS football seems more interesting.

There are more than 600 players in the men's basketball transfer portal. Percentage wise that seems to be way higher than the number that transfer in football and women's basketball. Anyone have any thoughts on reasons why the transfer numbers are so dramatically different ?

[JACKGUYII]

Re: Summit MBB 2018-19 conference

It's disappointing whats happening to college basketball.The gap between the haves and have nots continues to widen. Even star DII players moving up to mid-majors. FCS football seems more interesting.

[Jacks-02]

Re: Summit MBB 2018-19 conference

The league continues to get decimated by transfers...

Between the transfers and graduation losses, next year migth be as bad as the league has ever been.

The Summit rep was in the First Four this year. Trending towards a repeat of that next season...guess it may be one way to accumulate extra win shares!

[Southeast]

Re: Summit MBB 2018-19 conference

The league continues to get decimated by transfers...




Between the transfers and graduation losses, next year migth be as bad as the league has ever been.

The new reality. These days only a fool tries to look a year or two ahead and say "boy are we gonna be good when these guys get to be senoirs".

[FargoBison]

Re: Summit MBB 2018-19 conference

The league continues to get decimated by transfers...

South Dakota forward Stanley Umude, who averaged a team-high 14.4 ppg for the Coyotes as a sophomore, has added his name to the NCAA transfer portal. Per sources, Cal, Texas and Arizona have already expressed interest.

Between the transfers and graduation losses, next year migth be as bad as the league has ever been.

[Nidaros]

Re: Summit MBB 2018-19 conference

Right, it's spread over 6 years. So I think the Summit will be receiving 2 extra units for a couple years before the Oklahoma win ages out.

Baseline for a conference like the Summit is 6 units. You add up every share received over the past 6 years. The Summit is typically a 'one and done' conference, so the total is normally 6 units. The 2014 NDSU win over Oklahoma has been earning the Summit 7 units every year since. Here's the recent yearly breakdown assuming no other Summit wins:

2013 - 6 units (no extra units) ($245.5k/unit - $1.473M total)
2014 - 7 units (OK year 1) ($250.1k/unit - $1.751M total)
2015 - 7 units (OK year 2) ($260.5k/unit - $1.824M total)
2016 - 7 units (OK year 3) ($260.8k/unit - $1.826M total)
2017 - 7 units (OK year 4) ($264.9k/unit - $1.854M total)
2018 - 7 units (OK year 5) ($273.5k/unit - $1.915M total)
2019 - 8 units (OK year 6, NCCU year 1) ($281.0k/unit - $2.248M total)
2020 - 7 units (NCCU year 2) ($289.0k/unit - $2.023M total)
etc.

(some of these numbers are close approximates - the news articles were estimating that current year's unit value)

Wow! It gets complicated but thanks for the explanation. I did not know it worked this way. And yes, the plane tickets to Dayton do cost money.

[Hammersmith]

Re: Summit MBB 2018-19 conference

And isnt it spread out over like 5 years not just a lump sum? Or atleast I thought it was that way. So ndsu previous collecting 2 shares paid out for more then just that one year i thought. I'm probably confused.

Right, it's spread over 6 years. So I think the Summit will be receiving 2 extra units for a couple years before the Oklahoma win ages out.

Baseline for a conference like the Summit is 6 units. You add up every share received over the past 6 years. The Summit is typically a 'one and done' conference, so the total is normally 6 units. The 2014 NDSU win over Oklahoma has been earning the Summit 7 units every year since. Here's the recent yearly breakdown assuming no other Summit wins:

2013 - 6 units (no extra units) ($245.5k/unit - $1.473M total)
2014 - 7 units (OK year 1) ($250.1k/unit - $1.751M total)
2015 - 7 units (OK year 2) ($260.5k/unit - $1.824M total)
2016 - 7 units (OK year 3) ($260.8k/unit - $1.826M total)
2017 - 7 units (OK year 4) ($264.9k/unit - $1.854M total)
2018 - 7 units (OK year 5) ($273.5k/unit - $1.915M total)
2019 - 8 units (OK year 6, NCCU year 1) ($281.0k/unit - $2.248M total)
2020 - 7 units (NCCU year 2) ($289.0k/unit - $2.023M total)
etc.

(some of these numbers are close approximates - the news articles were estimating that current year's unit value)

[goon]

Re: Summit MBB 2018-19 conference

To be fair, it won't be that much. Some of the conference's operating expenses come out of the MBB disbursement, so the schools' share is what's left after the bills are paid.

And isnt it spread out over like 5 years not just a lump sum? Or atleast I thought it was that way. So ndsu previous collecting 2 shares paid out for more then just that one year i thought. I'm probably confused.

[Hammersmith]

Re: Summit MBB 2018-19 conference

If you divide 3.4 million by 9, SDSU Will receive $377,777.74. Not a bad day at the office,

To be fair, it won't be that much. Some of the conference's operating expenses come out of the MBB disbursement, so the schools' share is what's left after the bills are paid.

[goon]

Re: Summit MBB 2018-19 conference

If you divide 3.4 million by 9, SDSU Will receive $377,777.74. Not a bad day at the office,

That's not Mike trout money but not bad. Trout will make more then that every week. Probably twice that.