Revisions on rivalry?

[JackJD]

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First rule: Be the best team in your own STATE and everything else will fall in line!

I don't buy that at all. We're the best team in the state right now but I think we may still have our work cut out to win the Summit Tourney--we should get it done but it's going to be tougher than last year.

[SoDakJack]

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IMO, all this year's game with USD is a schedule-filler. Maybe when they are in the conference and a win over them actually means something in the grand scheme of things I will care the way I did back in my college days. I am much more interested and excited for home games against Oakland, IPFW, UMKC, and NDSU. Not to mention the pay-back game for our "friends" at ORU.

[CatchEmAll]

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Oregon and Oregon State have the "Civil War".

How about SDSU v USD the "Un-Civil War". Although in today's day and age attaching the term "War" to anything is not real appropriate. So it could be modified to "The Un-Civil Contest of Athletic Prowess".

[jackmd]

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First rule: Be the best team in your own STATE and everything else will fall in line!

Of course the is from a so-called CASUAL FAN as someone put it!

I prefer to look at in on a larger scale. When we made the move to DI USD brass was very active and critical of the decision. They preferred to think small. To limit their view. To focus on being THE DII program in the state.

Those who supported the move to DI aspired to advance SDSU to a level consistent with peer institutions. Think bigger, excel at the next level. In order to do so the rivalry with USD would have to be sacrificed, it was.

Now, because USD has made the decision to move to DI, SDSU should change its course and return to a smaller view? I don't think so. Resumption of the rivalry will occur. That is a good thing. Excitement about a game against USD is great and I support it. Sole focus on becoming better than USD on the basis of head-to-head results I won't be pulled into that trap.

My understanding, USD really wanted a DI game that would not require distant travel. Our athletic department needs money. AJ in somewhat of a compromise agreed to schedule this game. Will there be a return game in Vermillion next year? Not as I understand it.

So, I'll stand by what I said. If you believe a victory over USD is a single game is necessary to establish SDSU as the best program in the state fine with me. I don't need to see that to understand the former. If you don't believe a victory over Oakland, ORU, or NDSU is more important than a game with USD, then your just plain wrong.

Go Jacks beat the Grizzlies!!

[1stRowFANatic]

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Which would bother you as a fan more:
1. A loss to USD or a loss to anyone in the Summit Tourney?
2. A loss to USD or a loss to NDSU two nights earlier?
3. A loss to USD or a loss to ORU when trying to even out the first tie breaker?
4. A loss to USD or a loss to IPFW that is currently leading the league?
5. A loss to USD or a loss to Oakland who has always played tough/physical game against us?
6. A loss to USD or a loss to UMKC at our house and needing the win to even up the first tie breaker?

Personally, all six of these would bother me more than a loss to USD. I do think USD puts more emphasis on this game than their conference games because a win in this game does far more for them recruiting wise than winning out in their conference. A loss to USD would be seen as an upset in which one team was focused on their most important game, while the other team was in focused on getting the best seed possible for the conference tournament.

I spoke with a USD fan about this yesterday and asked them basically these questions, they didn't know or even care who were the top teams in there conference at this point. He said he wants the team to win all the games, but every conference game is indistinguishable to him at this time.

So to the point of the thread - does the fact that the game is likely a sell out mean that it is a rivalry game? No. It is a game with a lot of local interest and after they join the conference a rivalry may develop again. I have a feeling that if UConn called and said, let us buy out USD and play you at Frost, the place would be sold out also. No way would that make it a rivalry.

[NoVaJack]

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I have a feeling that if UConn called and said, let us buy out USD and play you at Frost, the place would be sold out also. No way would that make it a rivalry.

This is the mother of all red herrings.

1. The possiblity of UCONN doing what you describe is approximately the same as the NBA All Star game moving to Frost with a promise that 90 percent of the proceeds go to the SDSU scholarship fund and the other 10 to Filbert's SDSUForum maintenance fund (another shameless plug for folks who enjoy this board to chip in).
2. There is a 100-plus year history between SDSU and USD.
3. It is almost a certainty that USD-SDSU will resume home-and-games in the very near future.

Accept the inevitable. This is a natural rivalry and it will resume, bad feelings and attitudes toward USD aside.

[SoDakJack]

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This is the mother of all red herrings.

1. The possiblity of UCONN doing what you describe is approximately the same as the NBA All Star game moving to Frost with a promise that 90 percent of the proceeds go to the SDSU scholarship fund and the other 10 to Filbert's SDSUForum maintenance fund (another shameless plug for folks who enjoy this board to chip in).
2. There is a 100-plus year history between SDSU and USD.
3. It is almost a certainty that USD-SDSU will resume home-and-games in the very near future.

Accept the inevitable. This is a natural rivalry and it will resume, bad feelings and attitudes toward USD aside.

Really putting your neck out there on that one...considering that they are joining the conference.

I am glad that they are resuming the games, but they won't really have that feel of a "rivalry" until they are in the same conference in basketball or have the talent to beat us on the football field. Like I said before, where there is more than just the in-state thing on the line it adds an entirely other level.

[1stRowFANatic]

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This is the mother of all red herrings.

1. The possiblity of UCONN doing what you describe is approximately the same as the NBA All Star game moving to Frost with a promise that 90 percent of the proceeds go to the SDSU scholarship fund and the other 10 to Filbert's SDSUForum maintenance fund (another shameless plug for folks who enjoy this board to chip in).
2. There is a 100-plus year history between SDSU and USD.
3. It is almost a certainty that USD-SDSU will resume home-and-games in the very near future.

Accept the inevitable. This is a natural rivalry and it will resume, bad feelings and attitudes toward USD aside.

Guess that was my point. Just because this game is likely a sell out, doesn't mean it is a rivalry game. As I also said in the post, "after they join the conference a rivalry may develop again." The fact that the game is selling out does not make it a rivalry game.

[zooropa]

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And in the neighborhood of red herrings and straw men, there's the seeming inability to distinguish between athletic event as competition and athletic event as pageant.

Basketball already has the Lamb Bonanza, the Pork Classic, Military Appreciation Day, the FFA game (can't remember what it's called), etc.

Football has a name for three of its five or six home games (Beef Bowl, Cereal Bowl, Hobo Day).

What on earth is wrong with attaching pomp and circumstance to another basketball game and a football game when the Marker game is up in Fargo? What's wrong with coming up with a logo, some promotional activities and so forth?

It seems a bit of a contradiction to praise Sell's initiatives to put butts in the seats (2-1 online tickets, family packs, etc.) while decrying the resumption of a rivalry--with all due decorum--in football on the basis of....?

[1stRowFANatic]

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Corduroy Classic for the FFA game, think jackets.

Not sure who was decrying the efforts to get attendance up, or naming the game as about half the posts were giving suggestions.

My two points were that there are many more games left that will have more importance to the Jacks this season than this game and that I think it is incorrect to say that because a game is a sellout it means it is a rivalry game. In fact, as this season has progressed, this game has become less and less important in my eyes. If we had been cruising through the league unbeaten and were again virtual locks for the NCAA tournament, a loss to USD would impact our seeding much more than a loss to them this year will because we have a number of OOC and league losses.

If you have an 18 game conference season, and as a fan you wouldn't trade the win over your "rival" for one conference win, I don't think the game was really against a rival. There is no way I would trade the win this year or last (IIRC we won the conference by one game last year).

It is just my opinion, so it doesn't really matter that much.

[zooropa]

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For some reason I kept thinking denim.

BTW: You need add "dog" to your signature, I think.

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Regarding my earlier post, debating whether or not it's a rivalry is a semantic tar pit. Debating whether the game is more meaningful to SDSU or USD is an exercise in futility.

Predicting that playing USD will set back SDSU is asinine.

Just name the game, come up with a logo and some promotions, and have done with it.

[filbert]

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Regarding my earlier post, debating whether or not it's a rivalry is a semantic tar pit. Debating whether the game is more meaningful to SDSU or USD is an exercise in futility.

Predicting that playing USD will set back SDSU is asinine.

Just name the game, come up with a logo and some promotions, and have done with it.

I'm going to go ahead and declare a thread winner here.

[zooropa]

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I'm going to go ahead and declare a thread winner here.

ADRIAN! I did it for YOU!!

[91jack]

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I am not a casual fan as someone referred to a person who thinks that this is a rivalry. This will become the biggest game in the conference each and every year just by attendence. This game will be the talk of the weekend leading up and fro the rest of the week in the papers, blogs, and offices! And that is even after we win by 30pts.

I am not a USD fan at all, since middle school, but this win is as big as any this year because the bottom line is we just need to win the confernece tourney and it does not matter what our record is.

First rule: Be the best team in your own STATE and everything else will fall in line!

Of course the is from a so-called CASUAL FAN as someone put it!

This could be the biggest game in conference if both teams are good. SDSU already gets close to a sellout for most of their doubleheaders. I won't travel to the dome to watch a basketball game again in my life. If they have a place to play basketball, I'll probably change my mind. I have gone to NDSU games over the last few years though.
I will talk about NDSU until Sunday. That will give me 2 days to discuss the USD game(before the game). If USD could win, talk would last for quite a while. I think the men beating NDSU will be the big story that weekend. The women will want to be the top seed in the tourney so you can't overlook NDSU's women.
The local media will talk it up because it will sell to some local fans. There are still plenty of players on both teams from SD. That's what the media strives to do. If you really follow the teams very well, why overlook a conference opponent 2 days before? Especally with how SDSU and NDSU have fed off each other since they moved on.
Of course, this is just my opinion.

[SturgisJeff]

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Oregon and Oregon State have the "Civil War".

How about SDSU v USD the "Un-Civil War". Although in today's day and age attaching the term "War" to anything is not real appropriate. So it could be modified to "The Un-Civil Contest of Athletic Prowess".

The Un-Civil Man (Woman) Caused Disaster. To be more politically correct.