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[Hammersmith]

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Followup from the StarTribune. The Standing Rock Tribe must also vote on the issue.

http://www.startribune.com/nation/43...?elr=KArksUUUU

I'm pretty sure(95%) the title to that article is wrong. From what I've read, Tuesday's vote had no binding power and was basically an "official" opinion poll. The results don't force the tribal council to change their stance, and I'm pretty sure the NCAA would require some kind of official statement from the elected tribal government. The results of the vote will put some pressure on the tribal council members, but the nickname debate isn't a big hot-button issue among most tribal members. By that, I mean most tribal members won't base their vote on a candidate's position on the nickname issue.

[AnimalHouse83]

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Followup from the StarTribune. The Standing Rock Tribe must also vote on the issue.

http://www.startribune.com/nation/43...?elr=KArksUUUU

[zooropa]

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Nickname approved 2:1 by Spirit Lake tribe in today's referendum.

http://areavoices.com/gfhcitybeat

[zooropa]

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Actually, several changes over the past couple of years are pointing toward the name change... resurfaced B-Ball courts say North Dakota vs Sioux.. football practice field with interlocking ND.. new football jersy with North Dakota across the front. I believe that the hockey team had North Dakota on the road jersy for a year or two several years ago.. I think just before the geometric logo or as zoo calls the "Calumet logo".

I found a home jersey with just "NORTH DAKOTA" on it while I was searching for the UND variant of the Blackhawks logo. My recollection is that the red war paint was green--or that the red feather was a different color..... there was some difference, but I can't remember what it was.

[SDSF]

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Not sure on that one since I only started following Gopher hockey and college hockey in general in the last seven-years or so. But if I run across anything I'll let you know.

Actually, several changes over the past couple of years are pointing toward the name change... resurfaced B-Ball courts say North Dakota vs Sioux.. football practice field with interlocking ND.. new football jersy with North Dakota across the front. I believe that the hockey team had North Dakota on the road jersy for a year or two several years ago.. I think just before the geometric logo or as zoo calls the "Calumet logo".

[SDSF]

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This is from the most recent story I could find in a Google search regarding Minnesota's policy. Please note this is dated November 1, 2007. And that the policy discourages, but apparently does not prohibit, the Gopher teams from playing teams with American Indian mascots.

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/dis...1/01/nickname/

UND and Illinois are conference opponents, so it would be hard for Minnesota to drop those games unless it forfeits or withdraws from the WCHA or Big Ten. I'm sure exceptions are made for tournaments scheduled by the conference such as the ACC/Big Ten Challenge.

FWIW: when the Gophers play UND in hockey, the logo used on the scoreboard is the "UND" logo with the flame within the D, not the athletic team logo.

The timing of the updated release is about right because they played Central Michigan on Nov 24, 2007 and FSU Nov 27, 2007.

[zooropa]

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Not sure on that one since I only started following Gopher hockey and college hockey in general in the last seven-years or so. But if I run across anything I'll let you know.

My thinking is that it was a one-two year deal between when they dropped the green tinted Chicago Blackhawks logo and when they picked up the "Calumet Baking Powder" logo



Of course, old Ralphie didn't like the baking powder logo, and demanded that they bring back the Blackhawks logo that they used when he was a goalie there.

I'm half surprised he didn't demand a time machine as well.

What ended up happening was they hired a UND alum (who was native, but not Lakota) to freshen up the old Blackhawks logo:



And UND's president at the time declared himself a victor over Ralph Engelstad.... Because, you see, this new logo has realistic feathers on it....

[AnimalHouse83]

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I have a UND hockey road jersey that simply has "NORTH DAKOTA" on it, from back in the mid 90s..... Anyone know what the story was on that one?

Not sure on that one since I only started following Gopher hockey and college hockey in general in the last seven-years or so. But if I run across anything I'll let you know.

[zooropa]

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I have a UND hockey road jersey that simply has "NORTH DAKOTA" on it, from back in the mid 90s..... Anyone know what the story was on that one?

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Also, the NCAA okayed "Illini" on three grounds:

1) it's close to the name of the state

2) the only Illini tribe left, the Peoria, are in Oklahoma and do not use the name 'Illini' or any related word in their tribal name. Thus 'Illini' does not refer directly to any existing tribe.

3) Illinois dropped the Chief Illiniwek mascot.

[AnimalHouse83]

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This is from the most recent story I could find in a Google search regarding Minnesota's policy. Please note this is dated November 1, 2007. And that the policy discourages, but apparently does not prohibit, the Gopher teams from playing teams with American Indian mascots.

http://minnesota.publicradio.org/dis...1/01/nickname/

UND and Illinois are conference opponents, so it would be hard for Minnesota to drop those games unless it forfeits or withdraws from the WCHA or Big Ten. I'm sure exceptions are made for tournaments scheduled by the conference such as the ACC/Big Ten Challenge.

FWIW: when the Gophers play UND in hockey, the logo used on the scoreboard is the "UND" logo with the flame within the D, not the athletic team logo.

[FargoBison]

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I think if the NCAA oks UND's nickname then they will be in the clear with Minnesota, I know both CMU and FSU have NCAA approval since they have worked things out with the tribes.

[AnimalHouse83]

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Central Michigan's nickname is the Chippewas

http://www.cmich.edu/Athletics.htm

[1stRowFANatic]

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Well, from what you posted, they were consistent with UND. The Florida State is the result of conference agreement, and almost positive their option on that one is to leave the Big 10 and FSU has been given permission from the Seminole tribe to use the name. Central Michigan sounds like you may be right, but then if the game was agreed to before they made the decision, they haven't changed anything. Oh, and for full disclosure, I have no idea what Central Michigan's mascot is.

[SDSF]

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You also said U of MN was applying the standard inconsistently. How is that? I ask because I do not know, I do not mean to imply that you are wrong, just looking for info and too lazy to look it up.

I believe that U of M stated that they would only play UND in hockey in the fall of 2006 due to its Native American/Logo/Nickname policy. I believe that U of Iowa and U of Wisconsin made similar statements during that timeframe. After the NCAA and UND announced the settlement, the U of Iowa and U of Wisconsin have reversed the statement in regards to scheduling. The U of Min has continued with its policy of only scheduling UND for hockey. I only looked at the B-Ball schedule for this year and last.. it looks like they played Central Michigan and Florida State (ACC/Big Ten Challenge) last year. If U of M really wanted to make a statement they should have raised concerns about playing FSU in Florida or Central Michigan in basketball. I have not looked at other schedules.

[1stRowFANatic]

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Yes, they play in WCHA.. but I was referring to other sports in particular football. UND has gone South and West for FBS games - Texas Tech and Fresno State

You also said U of MN was applying the standard inconsistently. How is that? I ask because I do not know, I do not mean to imply that you are wrong, just looking for info and too lazy to look it up.