USD

[Jack]

Re: USD

Yes we are so we did.

[SDSUFAN]

Re: USD

Neither is SDSU.

Some how some folks just dont listen. SDSU is now a D1 program. USD is still D2, and when the prize is right in terms of an adequate guarentee, we may think about coming to the monument to Stupidity. Thats right, USD can only afford D2 programs and guarentees so who then is in the position to bargin?

[ActionJack]

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This would seem to be the appropriate place to throw this out:

From the Sunday Argus:
One night after struggling to beat Wayne State of the Northern Sun Intercollegiate Conference, USD (Women) ran headfirst into scrappy NSIC member Southwest Minnesota State and stumbled 64-51 in the South Dakota Basketball Classic on Saturday at the DakotaDome.

Also from the Argus:
South Dakota State sank a season-high 12 three-pointers as the Jackrabbit women's basketball team earned a 67-42 victory over Northern Illinois on Saturday night at the NIU Convocation Center.

USD's women now 6-1 on the season, SDSU's women 5-2. USD's loss, to DII Southwest State of Minnesota. SDSU's losses to DI Rutgers (then #18 in the nation) and DI Oregon State. (SDSU also beat SWMSU by 20 in an exhibition game.)

If I was a USD fan, at some point in the past I would have said that NCC schools could compete with lower level DI schools. And I would also say that Northern Illinios isn't that great of a DI school. Granted, but then again USD lost to (a good DII) SWMSU, on their home court.

And before any USD fans begin the spin, I'm talking women's basketball here. I'll freely admit the SDSU men are struggling this year, and may get beat on their home court by someone they shouldn't loose to.

[sports_buff]

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Some how some folks just dont listen.  SDSU is now a D1 program. USD is still D2, and when the prize is right in terms of an adequate guarentee, we may think about coming to the monument to Stupidity.  Thats right, USD can only afford D2 programs and guarentees so who then is in the position to bargin?

SDSU has had to scehdule 4 NAIA schools to fill out its schedule. Your home games are crap. There is no doubt that a game with USD would be your biggest draw. It is also no doubt that an SDSU game would be USD's biggest draw. Both teams need each other in that respect, the smart thing would to do would be sign a home and home. If SDSU gets to the point where they are having big time schools coming into Brookings and selling out every game then indeed USD would not be in a bargaining position. However, that time has not come yet.

[SDSUFAN]

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SDSU has had to scehdule 4 NAIA schools to fill out its schedule.  Your home games are crap. There is no doubt that a game with USD would be your biggest draw. It is also no doubt that an SDSU game would be USD's biggest draw. Both teams need each other in that respect, the smart thing would to do would be sign a home and home.  If SDSU gets to the point where they are having big time schools coming into Brookings and selling out every game then indeed USD would not be in a bargaining position.  However, that time has not come yet.

It wont be long pal. Time to consider grain storage in the summer months at the Monument to Stupidity. You got to pay those heat bills some how.

[JBNJBQ]

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One night after struggling to beat Wayne State of the Northern Sun Intercollegiate Conference, USD (Women) ran headfirst into scrappy NSIC member Southwest Minnesota State and stumbled 64-51 in the South Dakota Basketball Classic on Saturday at the DakotaDome.

Also from the Argus:
South Dakota State sank a season-high 12 three-pointers as the Jackrabbit women's basketball team earned a 67-42 victory over Northern Illinois on Saturday night at the NIU Convocation Center.

USD's women now 6-1 on the season, SDSU's women 5-2.  USD's loss, to DII Southwest State of Minnesota.  SDSU's losses to DI Rutgers (then #18 in the nation) and DI Oregon State.  (SDSU also beat SWMSU by 20 in an exhibition game.)

Didn't the USD women lose a game out in Colorado too?

I think their record is 5-2 as well. Both their losses were to DII schools, but they have been kicking the crap out of the NAIA schools! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Both SDSU's losses were to DI schools!

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


JBNJBQ

[coyotefanatic]

Re: USD

Actually, the main sticking point on SDSU and USD not playing anymore was more about money than anything. If SDSU is a "DI" program that doesn't travel, then it needs to pay out like a "DI" program to bring a DII team into Frost. That is why there are more NAIA teams on the home schedule this season than DII schools for SDSU. I'm not saying they are wrong here. It actually makes sense. SDSU is making a large financial comittment to move to Division I and probably needs to cut corners any possible way and this is a viable way to do that. And just to point out...the USD women are 5-2 but they have only played one NAIA school...the rest have been wins over DII schools.

[jackmd]

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coyotefan has a great signature line. I know I need to work on it but there is still hope, I think. A win over SEMO last night would have helped.

Anyone else a little bit glad that were not playing USD this year? I realize they have struggled against some mediocre teams this early season but they do return some players and they played us well last year. Frost is a huge advantage but their gaurds are light-years ahead of ours. I still believe we beat them at home but I wouldn't garuntee it.

[SDSUFAN]

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Actually, the main sticking point on SDSU and USD not playing anymore was more about money than anything. If SDSU is a "DI" program that doesn't travel, then it needs to pay out like a "DI" program to bring a DII team into Frost. That is why there are more NAIA teams on the home schedule this season than DII schools for SDSU. I'm not saying they are wrong here. It actually makes sense. SDSU is making a large financial comittment to move to Division I and probably needs to cut corners any possible way and this is a viable way to do that. And just to point out...the USD women are 5-2 but they have only played one NAIA school...the rest have been wins over DII schools.

Wrong!! Wrong!!.  This years schedule has nothing to do with D1 money, and high cost etc, that is crap.  This summer I was in the same golf group as Troy Larson, Nagy's right hand man. He told me that the NCC and NSIC  did not want to to play SDSU period. This meant it was a bear to just put the schedule together and often the NAIA schools were only ones interested in playing us.

If playing in Vermillion just to get a game with USD was the only option from USD'S Perspective we say no thanks. If we are going to have to put up with thrown rabbitS, the concession stand running out of hot dogs and all the other crap that goes ON AT the monument of stupidity we want real cash to come$$$$  Cash that USD can not afford to pay.  Who has the money problems? It is not SDSU.

[JBNJBQ]

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............the USD women are 5-2 but they have only played one NAIA school...the rest have been wins over DII schools.

My mistake! I guess I was just going by what has happened historically. Usd has always scheduled a lot of NAIA schools to make sure they have a winning record? Maybe that has changed now that NDSU and SDSU has left the conference? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


I see Mount Marty and Mount Mary are coming up before and after their loss to Northern State. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


JBNJBQ

[coyotefanatic]

Re: USD

JBJNQ --- That's fair...yes they have played a lot of NAIA schools in the past on their basketball schedule. As a Coyote Fan I cannot argue that. The men have Dana tonight in the Dome...attendance 8,000? I think not. And yes, the USD Women could be in big trouble against Northern in a few weeks.

SDSUFAN --- Maybe NSIC and NCC teams didn't want to come to Frost. But the point I am trying to make is that if SDSU won't agree to home and home contracts, then they must pay out like a regular DI team pays out. The last proposal that SDSU sent USD to continue the rivalry was the same as a DII team pays out to another DII team. Plus it included one game at Frost and the other in Sioux Falls with the two schools splitting the gate. USD has nothing to gain from agreeing to something like that. I think we all can agree that the only thing the two schools REALLY have to gain from playing a game like that is the gate receipt. I am not trying to say one side has the right to bargain anymore than the other...I am just showing you what the two sides options were and the rationale for why we are at where we are at.

[SDsportsFan]

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Wrong!! Wrong!!.  This years schedule has nothing to do with D1 money, and high cost etc, that is crap.  This summer I was in the same golf group as Troy Larson, Nagy's right hand man. He told me that the NCC and NSIC  did not want to to play SDSU period. This meant it was a bear to just put the schedule together and often the NAIA schools were only ones interested in playing us.

If playing in Vermillion just to get a game with USD was the only option from USD'S Perspective we say no thanks. If we are going to have to put up with thrown rabbitS, the concession stand running out of hot dogs and all the other crap that goes ON AT the monument of stupidity we want real cash to come$$$$  Cash that USD can not afford to pay.  Who has the money problems? It is not SDSU.

I wish we would sign a home and home with USD. I would gladly put up with a frozen rabbit thrown on the floor (which never bothered me anyway) and not getting a hot dog to see two more of those games and to get another shot at Mueller. I'm still pissed that he won his last two games against us and I want to wipe that freaking smirk off his face. I wouldn't even need for USD to pay us any money either, we would just have them play at Brookings in return, that would be our biggest draw and there would be our money. I know it's never going to happen, and I'm over that fact. I'm just weighing in on what I wish would happen.

[89rabbit]

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I would like to play USD soon also.  I have been on their campus and it is beautiful.  Maybe next year when we head out to San Diego to play the Aztecs we can squeeze in an extra game with the Toreros. Home and home works for me.

http://usdtoreros.collegesports.com/...skbl-body.html

Go State, South Dakota's only D-I University!  ;D

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

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I'd like to play USD in the near future. There was nothing better than the buzz surrounding the practices, the games, and the student body than when USD was the next opponent. Each game was an EVENT. The football games are probably never going to happen (and truthfully, the talent level gap will eventually be widest in football), but I would like to see the basketball games continue. I think it would benefit both schools for at least the immediate future. Plus, how can my daughter and subsequent children grow up with knowing USD is the lesser of the schools if there's no rivalry to educate her/them? She needs to know that USD=evil and SDSU=good. Without the games the rivalry will begin to wither and USD will mean no more than DSU to her. Superman needs a Lex Luther. Just my humble opinion.

[jackmd]

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I'd like to play USD in the near future.  There was nothing better than the buzz surrounding the practices, the games, and the student body than when USD was the next opponent.  Each game was an EVENT.  The football games are probably never going to happen (and truthfully, the talent level gap will eventually be widest in football), but I would like to see the basketball games continue.  I think it would benefit both schools for at least the immediate future.  Plus, how can my daughter and subsequent children grow up with knowing USD is the lesser of the schools if there's no rivalry to educate her/them?  She needs to know that USD=evil and SDSU=good.  Without the games the rivalry will begin to wither and USD will mean no more than DSU to her.  Superman needs a Lex Luther.  Just my humble opinion.

The hard fact is that USD will soon be equivalent to DSU, Augie, etc.. when it comes to athletics. If Northern can survive the slow decline occuring in Aberdeen they will be the premier DII basketball school in the state, if they aren't already. I suspect USD will remain at the top of the track, volleyball, and FB ranks in the new NSIC even with reduction in scholarships (down to the low 20's for FB). This takes nothing away from the academic opportunities at USD. Look at the bright side, its not that long a drive from Vermillion to Brookings. SDSU fans and others interested in watching athletes compete at the highest collegiate level can easily make the trip north. Student athletes with the best abilities will have the option to attend an in-state DI university and those who desire can still select USD, DSU, NSU, Augie or another team from that conference. Granted, scholarships will be at a minimum but the best will still be eligible.

Long story short, the move to DI widens the gap between SDSU and USD to one that is essentially insurmountable. No degree of potential payouts, gate receipts, rekindling of old rivalries, etc.. can stem this gap. I just can't see how it will happen unless USD moves up and I this just isn't feasible in the foreseeble future.