Great West To Include UTPA And become All Sports Conf?

[EQguy]

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Does anybody really believe that this "proposed" conference is a permanent home for any of these schools? It is a step, a small one, in D1 life. We'd be playing all these indies anyways, now it is just labeled a conference with titles and all-conference honors and such. Nothing wrong with that.

Nothing wrong at all Yote53. SDSU already did that with these same schools and they had players of the week and all that good stuff and we all thought it was a great idea to get through transition hell.

I think what everyone here is jumping on is your counterpart huffing up his chest that USD has a "conference" in year 1 of transition and calling the Summit League (don't kid yourself you would love to be there in 4 years) a substandard league comparable to the "conference" you're helping form.

[Yote53]

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"If our (USD and UND) presidents and athletic directors had any foresight, our transition periods would be complete, and we would be looking forward to competing with big-time programs. Now, we are trudging (tin cup in hand) toward an alliance with the likes of Texas Pan-Am and the New Jersey Institute of Technology!? In the non-academia world, heads would roll for such poor leadership."

Boy, do I agree with that. Hindsight, however, is twenty/twenty.

Does anybody really believe that this "proposed" conference is a permanent home for any of these schools? It is a step, a small one, in D1 life. We'd be playing all these indies anyways, now it is just labeled a conference with titles and all-conference honors and such. Nothing wrong with that.

[Jacks#1Fan]

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First of all: I hope Coyote Fan stays on the Smack board...where I seldom go and don't have to read his drivel. While I think USD will have a hard row to hoe overall, they are the beneficiaries of a lot of ground work done by SDSU and NDSU.

Where does he think the Great West Conference came from anyway. And the UXDs trying to form a "conference" out of the Independents, is just an extension of the work done by the xDSUs in forming an independent affiliation with season ending tournaments, etc.

Tag along all you want Coyote Fan...but don't act like you invented the wheel. And move the provocative comments to the Smack section.

By the way, you might be interested in the following comment in an Argus Leader blog by a USD fan, who isn't afraid to call a spade a spade:

"If our (USD and UND) presidents and athletic directors had any foresight, our transition periods would be complete, and we would be looking forward to competing with big-time programs. Now, we are trudging (tin cup in hand) toward an alliance with the likes of Texas Pan-Am and the New Jersey Institute of Technology!? In the non-academia world, heads would roll for such poor leadership."

Amen!

[22jack]

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Here is the article in the Argus about this topic.

http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs...0203/806240334

[BTownJack]

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The phrase "putting lipstick on a pig" comes to mind here.

Here's the reality of Division I:

There are the BCS schools. The power conferences, basically. Life can suck if you're towards the bottom of the weaker conferences here--WAC, Sun Belt, C-USA.

There are the FCS schools. Life is relatively good for those in the Southland, Southern, Big Sky, and MVFC (nee Gateway). Otherwise, it sucks to a greater or lesser extent. SDSU is somewhere between this group and the next more sucky group due to membership in the MVFC.

There are the non-football schools. If you're a non-football school and not in the Big East, Colonial, or Missouri Valley (or named "Gonzaga") life tends to suck more than not for you. The non-football Summit schools are generally enjoying the suck of this particular level of D-I.

Then there are the independent, playoff-eligible schools. Life sucks pretty darn hard for these guys. Just ask UTPA.

Then there are schools that are either in transition to D-I and/or are in conferences which are not eligible for NCAA championships. Speaking from experience, life is a really harsh vacuum suck party for this group. If you're USD, you are here, now.

Putting together scheduling alliances (call them conferences or not) is a method of making this suckage slightly less sucky. That's why an all-sports GWC is all good for USD. But make no mistake, it is one small step above maximum suckage in the big-time of D-I.

Great post Filbert! Rep points well deserved!

[91jack]

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I consider a conference to be 6 or more schools so I have not changed my stance at all. The proposed conference is a 6 team conference and the Great West Football conference last year was a 5 team conference.

I like how it has to have 6 teams. That number just works out perfect in this situation.
The Great West Conference is about the same as SDSU's scheduling alliance. I guess it wasn't called a conference but it's what almost has to be done. That's the easiest way to fill your schedules. The other schools won't want to go on the road very often during their conference seasons. This is good for USD. I guess if you need an auto bid or not could be argued as to if it's a true conference. If these schools don't find other conferences years down the road, this conference/alliance could get a auto bid. It can't hurt to call it a conference just in case.

[filbert]

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The phrase "putting lipstick on a pig" comes to mind here.

Here's the reality of Division I:

There are the BCS schools. The power conferences, basically. Life can suck if you're towards the bottom of the weaker conferences here--WAC, Sun Belt, C-USA.

There are the FCS schools. Life is relatively good for those in the Southland, Southern, Big Sky, and MVFC (nee Gateway). Otherwise, it sucks to a greater or lesser extent. SDSU is somewhere between this group and the next more sucky group due to membership in the MVFC.

There are the non-football schools. If you're a non-football school and not in the Big East, Colonial, or Missouri Valley (or named "Gonzaga") life tends to suck more than not for you. The non-football Summit schools are generally enjoying the suck of this particular level of D-I.

Then there are the independent, playoff-eligible schools. Life sucks pretty darn hard for these guys. Just ask UTPA.

Then there are schools that are either in transition to D-I and/or are in conferences which are not eligible for NCAA championships. Speaking from experience, life is a really harsh vacuum suck party for this group. If you're USD, you are here, now.

Putting together scheduling alliances (call them conferences or not) is a method of making this suckage slightly less sucky. That's why an all-sports GWC is all good for USD. But make no mistake, it is one small step above maximum suckage in the big-time of D-I.

[jackrabit1]

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And that is coming from a fan that routes for a team that is going into the Summit league which is a league that is basically in survival mode.

And has automatic qualifiers for the NCAA tournament! See ya in 13 years!

[JimmyJack]

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And that is coming from a fan that routes for a team that is going into the Summit league which is a league that is basically in survival mode.

What, exactly does that mean? Correct me if I'm wrong, but haven't USD administrators been crowing about their hopes (now dashed, apparently) to join the Summit League?

[Coyote_Fan]

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You are living large now Coyote Fan. I can't believe you came onto our site with a straight face and tried to sell that conference alliance as a real conference. If you stay in that conference and it stays afloat for 13 years, then and only then do you have any chance of getting an auto-bid to the big dance. Personally I don't think the NCAA would even allow that conference an auto-bid in any sport.

So the conference is going to include UTPA, Seattle, Chicago St. and Houston Baptist. At first I thought it was joke, but I think they are serious. The UxD's would have been at the top of that conference even if they had stayed D-2. Nice traveling within that conference. Is all you need is to add Savannah St. and New Jersey Tech.

Boy talk about taking one for the team. Reminds me of when the doctor asks you to bend over and he says "Relax, this won't hurt" as you hear the snap of his rubber glove. I almost feel sorry for you, but then I laughed out loud instead.

And that is coming from a fan that routes for a team that is going into the Summit league which is a league that is basically in survival mode.

[Coyote_Fan]

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Coyote Fan, I wish USD success in the proposed Greeat West all sports conference and hope it comes to fruition. I also congratulate you that you have learned so much about DI reality in recent months. If I remember correctly, you did not consider the Great West to even be a conference when we won the football championship last fall. It is good that you recognize the error of your understanding and now see that it is a conference even without any opportunity for automatice bids for the post season for about a dozen years.

I consider a conference to be 6 or more schools so I have not changed my stance at all. The proposed conference is a 6 team conference and the Great West Football conference last year was a 5 team conference.

[NorCalJack]

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You are living large now Coyote Fan. I can't believe you came onto our site with a straight face and tried to sell that conference alliance as a real conference. If you stay in that conference and it stays afloat for 13 years, then and only then do you have any chance of getting an auto-bid to the big dance. Personally I don't think the NCAA would even allow that conference an auto-bid in any sport.

So the conference is going to include UTPA, Seattle, Chicago St. and Houston Baptist. At first I thought it was joke, but I think they are serious. The UxD's would have been at the top of that conference even if they had stayed D-2. Nice traveling within that conference. Is all you need is to add Savannah St. and New Jersey Tech.

Boy talk about taking one for the team. Reminds me of when the doctor asks you to bend over and he says "Relax, this won't hurt" as you hear the snap of his rubber glove. I almost feel sorry for you, but then I laughed out loud instead.

[Rabbit74]

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Coyote Fan, I wish USD success in the proposed Greeat West all sports conference and hope it comes to fruition. I also congratulate you that you have learned so much about DI reality in recent months. If I remember correctly, you did not consider the Great West to even be a conference when we won the football championship last fall. It is good that you recognize the error of your understanding and now see that it is a conference even without any opportunity for automatice bids for the post season for about a dozen years.

[Coyote_Fan]

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I guess those that predicted that USD would have to wait several years for a conference aren't looking so accurate at the moment. Full schollies for football in 2 years and a possible conference in their first year of transition. Sounds like USD isn't doing so bad so far. I realise that the conference might not be permanent but any conference is something to hang the hat on. I do agree that the travel will be torture but the Texas schools can be paired up together. Now if Central or Western Washington would move up Seattle could have a travel partner as well. I guess that won't be happening for a few more years though, that is with the moratorium in place.

[Jacked_Up]

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Good. I'm tired of the UXDs following and thinking they are entitled to piggy-back on the XDSUs. This might give them something to do on their own for a few years.