Augie plays for D2 title

[Nidaros]

Re: Augie plays for D2 title

There are some exceptions, but I don't think those exemptions exist for the money sports like football or basketball.

Ian mentions that no one has done basketball only, and I suppose they would have to get an exemption or a waiver to do this. Not an advantage by any means.

[Jacks-02]

Re: Augie plays for D2 title

Interesting I went back to re-read the article and this showed up:

Schools are allowed to have a single program in Division I: Dallas Baptist is in Division II, except for its baseball program, and Johns Hopkins is in Division III except for its lacrosse teams. A number of Division II schools, including four in the NSIC, have Division I hockey programs.

Ian Frazer wrote the article, and what he is speaking of is grandfathered programs so he does not mention that under current NCAA rules this is not an option for Augustana University.

Here is the link:

http://www.argusleader.com/story/spo...ture/82427176/

There are some exceptions, but I don't think those exemptions exist for the money sports like football or basketball.

[Nidaros]

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That's how I read things as well.

Interesting I went back to re-read the article and this showed up:

Schools are allowed to have a single program in Division I: Dallas Baptist is in Division II, except for its baseball program, and Johns Hopkins is in Division III except for its lacrosse teams. A number of Division II schools, including four in the NSIC, have Division I hockey programs.

A quote from the article.

Ian Frazer wrote the article, and what he is speaking of is grandfathered programs so he does not mention that under current NCAA rules this is not an option for Augustana University.

Here is the link:

http://www.argusleader.com/story/spo...ture/82427176/

[Jacks-02]

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I did not read that closely but I believe Larschied is well aware of this but maybe the writer of the Argus article is not.

That's how I read things as well.

[Nidaros]

Re: Augie plays for D2 title

NCAA no longer allows moving certain sports up to DI, leaving the rest at DII. It is an all or none thing. IIRC, that changed shortly before or after we made our move.

I did not read that closely but I believe Larschied is well aware of this but maybe the writer of the Argus article is not.

[BTownJack]

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The discussion in Augie Land is the possibility of moving up to D1. The Argus has a big article on it. The AD, who was at SDSU, does not sound like it would work. One sport at D1, Mens BB and the rest at D2 is not part of AD or the President's vision for the athletic dept. I think moving up would require dropping football which they have made commitments such as the new facility that makes that not a option at this time. So the bottom line is be proud of the NC and the exhibition win over Iowa and stay put at the D2 level. Purely from a financial angle, this seems to be the solution.

NCAA no longer allows moving certain sports up to DI, leaving the rest at DII. It is an all or none thing. IIRC, that changed shortly before or after we made our move.

[Nidaros]

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The idea of moving up to D1 came up for the sake of this article, but I don't know a ton of Augie folks who are legitimately debating this right now. Most Augie fans/alums/boosters are pretty realistic and are well aware that the massive commitment to football we've just made (like a new, $11 million stadium) will keep us from going D1 as an entire athletic department anytime soon. And yes, the cost would essentially be unaffordable at this point, and most likely will continue to be in the future.

The only other idea I've seen presented that is a tiny (tiny) bit possible would be if Augie went non-scholarship for D1 football like Drake and other similar programs. But I see that as being, like, a 1% possibility, not a 50/50 possibility or anything substantial.

Yes I realize its just a speculative article by the Argus Leader. I do wonder as many on the board here "How would Augie competed in the Summit League this year?" I think they would have done fairly well. I know I am stoking the fire here that was slowing dying. In the contests with SDSU, they would have certainly given SDSU a run for the money. The carrot throwers are probably behind the D1 move.

[Nidaros]

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Why would they need to drop football?

With being a tuition wired school, it costs plenty currently for the Augustana Advantage. Adding 35 more scholarships (63-28) would increase the cost of the sport by $700,000 assuming one free ride was assigned the value of $20,000 which may be understated substantially. I am sure its more than that. But my point is that unless you raise tuition, how else will you make it? Denny Sanford?

[MrAugustana]

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The discussion in Augie Land is the possibility of moving up to D1. The Argus has a big article on it. The AD, who was at SDSU, does not sound like it would work. One sport at D1, Mens BB and the rest at D2 is not part of AD or the President's vision for the athletic dept. I think moving up would require dropping football which they have made commitments such as the new facility that makes that not a option at this time. So the bottom line is be proud of the NC and the exhibition win over Iowa and stay put at the D2 level. Purely from a financial angle, this seems to be the solution.

Why would they need to drop football?

The idea of moving up to D1 came up for the sake of this article, but I don't know a ton of Augie folks who are legitimately debating this right now. Most Augie fans/alums/boosters are pretty realistic and are well aware that the massive commitment to football we've just made (like a new, $11 million stadium) will keep us from going D1 as an entire athletic department anytime soon. And yes, the cost would essentially be unaffordable at this point, and most likely will continue to be in the future.

The only other idea I've seen presented that is a tiny (tiny) bit possible would be if Augie went non-scholarship for D1 football like Drake and other similar programs. But I see that as being, like, a 1% possibility, not a 50/50 possibility or anything substantial.

[MontanaRabbit]

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Why would they need to drop football?

$$$$$$$$$$$$

[FeaRed]

Re: Augie plays for D2 title

The discussion in Augie Land is the possibility of moving up to D1. The Argus has a big article on it. The AD, who was at SDSU, does not sound like it would work. One sport at D1, Mens BB and the rest at D2 is not part of AD or the President's vision for the athletic dept. I think moving up would require dropping football which they have made commitments such as the new facility that makes that not a option at this time. So the bottom line is be proud of the NC and the exhibition win over Iowa and stay put at the D2 level. Purely from a financial angle, this seems to be the solution.

Why would they need to drop football?

[Nidaros]

Re: Augie plays for D2 title

The discussion in Augie Land is the possibility of moving up to D1. The Argus has a big article on it. The AD, who was at SDSU, does not sound like it would work. One sport at D1, Mens BB and the rest at D2 is not part of AD or the President's vision for the athletic dept. I think moving up would require dropping football which they have made commitments such as the new facility that makes that not a option at this time. So the bottom line is be proud of the NC and the exhibition win over Iowa and stay put at the D2 level. Purely from a financial angle, this seems to be the solution.

[MrAugustana]

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Honestly, I'm just glad to see this discussion reach a point of reason on both sides. A National Championship for Augie, a handful of SDSU fans setting aside the "Augie sucks because they're D2" mindset...it's like Christmas and my birthday rolled into one.

For those who are annoyed by the discussion, isn't that the point of these message boards? We're in the Beyond SDSU > College Sports section discussing a college sports-related topic that clearly draws interest and has been, in my opinion, entertaining and engaging to discuss on both sides of the argument. Isn't it better to have that kind of conversation and activity happening on these boards than to shun it because it's not strictly about SDSU sports or because a few people don't like hypothetical discussions or discussions about Augie? Seems to me it's a lot more fun to visit this board and chat like we are here than it is to visit the USD board, where they have 1-2 fans posting on game nights and assertively try to shut down just about any attempts to talk about anything besides the coyotes.

Maybe that's just me though.

[MrAugustana]

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(I'm hoping Augie's success will lead to their own fan message board! Maybe a question that merits more discussion is whether there are USD players who could play for Augie? I'm cutting a large slice of pie to eat while this thread goes quietly into the night.)

USD doesnt have any DII caliber players. They are all DIII caliber. Lucky to not have finished 9th in conference. They suck.

Finally, something everyone on here can agree on.

[Nidaros]

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It is insane that posters want to tear Augie down, when one of our major contributors this year was a transfer from USF...

Wisdom here. We were lucky to get Keaton Moffitt and who knows down the road, he might be a distinguished Alum, earning it in the field of pharmacy. As far as Augie, this year they did have a ton of talent on the court and probably in the classroom too. Its how they do in the classroom that matters to me. Just ask someone who finished academically near the bottom of my class. You think grades don't matter? I am afraid they do, and it going to matter more in the future as competition for good jobs and positions of authority is not to weaken any time soon.