Louisville Basketball

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

Re: Louisville Basketball

I don't agree with the current players being punished but it is the system we've got right now. Part of the recruiting process for athletes is to do your research as much you can and hope you are committing to a clean program. So something like this doesn't affect your career there.

Pitino's suggestion on levying heavy fines on the coach (50% of salary) and school ($10 million dollars) would help but that is not the answer.

The answer is suspending the coaches who were at the helm when the violations occurred - whether they knew or not. That's part of being in charge. Hiring people that you can trust won't cheat. If you make a mistake, it falls on you. No different than if the players you recruit don't perform, it's on you and you have to be held accountable for it.

Calipari is one who shouldn't be coaching anymore. Many of the wins and titles he won at UMass and Memphis have since been vacated because of violations while he was there. But the rules say he can still coach and that simply isn't right. He flat out cheats and has gotten caught twice but yet the NCAA still allows him to coach. Until this is fixed, cheaters will continue to cheat.

Source (amoung many): http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sport...calipari_N.htm

Calipari had 1 player on the Memphis team that should have been academically ineligible. Marcus Camby took $28,000 from agents, how is a coach supposed to police that?

Coach K was unaware when Lance Thomas received $100,000 worth of jewelry during his senior year at Duke. The NCAA investigated, but nobody would talk.

Roy Williams had 5 players on his 2005 UNC national championship team that should have been ineligible.

If a person thinks Calipari and Pitino are dirty, they should apply the same logic to Coach K and Roy Williams.

[Nidaros]

Re: Louisville Basketball

It's beyond my imagination that it takes enteralnment including call girls to get a SA to commit to LOI. What planet did these coaches come from? Four years of call girls would be a costly procurement

[BTownJack]

Re: Louisville Basketball

I completely agree with you guys. I was just using Calipari as one example. Both of the incidents you bring up are prime examples as well. The UNC situation is really bad as that extends into the the university system and how that place is run. Not good on both academic and athletic fronts and athletics should be held accountable as they certainly knew something was wrong.

Larry Brown at SMU is another one. Suspended 9 games this year and has been in trouble with the NCAA twice before. But, he continues to get to coach.
http://thebiglead.com/2015/09/29/lar...ing-violations

Coaches can't control everything but in the case of Calipari and Derrick Rose being academically ineligible...that is completely on him or whomever the coach is. Taking money from agents, I can see how that would be hard to police. But it is your job as a coach to educate those players so they avoid these types of situations. We can argue all day on the merits of if that would be successful but it ultimately comes back to the coach.

[jackdaniel]

Re: Louisville Basketball

I completely agree with you guys. I was just using Calipari as one example. Both of the incidents you bring up are prime examples as well. The UNC situation is really bad as that extends into the the university system and how that place is run. Not good on both academic and athletic fronts and athletics should be held accountable as they certainly knew something was wrong.

Larry Brown at SMU is another one. Suspended 9 games this year and has been in trouble with the NCAA twice before. But, he continues to get to coach.
http://thebiglead.com/2015/09/29/lar...ing-violations

Coaches can't control everything but in the case of Calipari and Derrick Rose being academically ineligible...that is completely on him or whomever the coach is. Taking money from agents, I can see how that would be hard to police. But it is your job as a coach to educate those players so they avoid these types of situations. We can argue all day on the merits of if that would be successful but it ultimately comes back to the coach.

Blame the schools who keep hiring these coaches who have been caught cheating....they take a great risk they will continue to seek an "unfair" advantage and get caught once again.Maybe the penalties imposed have to be enough so the risk isn't worth the gain.

[TK22867]

Re: Louisville Basketball

If a person thinks Calipari and Pitino are dirty, they should apply the same logic to Coach K and Roy Williams.

The coaches you name are not even on the same planet when it comes to dirtiness. Pitino, a practicing "catholic", cheated on his wife by knocking some chick up in a restaurant, and then subsequently gave her money for an abortion. And you are lumping Roy Williams and Coach K in with this guy? Good Grief.

Derrick Rose failed the ACT 3 times in Chicago, yet miraculously passed the SAT in Detroit which allowed him to gain entry to Memphis. But I bet you don't think Calipari knew anything about that, right?

[Nidaros]

Re: Louisville Basketball

The coaches you name are not even on the same planet when it comes to dirtiness. Pitino, a practicing "catholic", cheated on his wife by knocking some chick up in a restaurant, and then subsequently gave her money for an abortion. And you are lumping Roy Williams and Coach K in with this guy? Good Grief.

Derrick Rose failed the ACT 3 times in Chicago, yet miraculously passed the SAT in Detroit which allowed him to gain entry to Memphis. But I bet you don't think Calipari knew anything about that, right?

No I am sure he didnot, so he would say publicly. Thank God we got Nagy. With all this systematic denials, I think the character played by John Lithgow in the The 3rd Rock from the Sun to be more credible.

[bigticket1]

Re: Louisville Basketball

The coaches you name are not even on the same planet when it comes to dirtiness. Pitino, a practicing "catholic", cheated on his wife by knocking some chick up in a restaurant, and then subsequently gave her money for an abortion. And you are lumping Roy Williams and Coach K in with this guy? Good Grief.

Derrick Rose failed the ACT 3 times in Chicago, yet miraculously passed the SAT in Detroit which allowed him to gain entry to Memphis. But I bet you don't think Calipari knew anything about that, right?

I'm not condoning what Pitino and undoubtedly many other coaches have done in their private lives, but that stuff doesn't give their teams an advantage on the playing floor. What bothers me most is the selective enforcement the NCAA applies. Minnesota was caught with people writing term papers for players along with some other academic infractions and had to vacate a Big 10 championship and Final Four appearance. They deserved to be punished, but to me this pales to what happened at North Carolina with years of creating phantom classes to keep players eligible during many years of post-season runs. And how much regular and post-season success has been vacated from that ? And coaches like Calipari should not be able to avoid punishment by skipping town for the next job before the hammer falls on their former schools.

[GolfingYote]

Re: Louisville Basketball

I think one of the more troubling things about the UNC deal is the time frame that its been going on. It started in the Dean Smith Era and has gone on far too long. Whats even more mindblowing is the time it has taken for the NCAA to act on this. They have clear evidence, former players who have acknowledged the fraud(Mccants), and have let go of several staff members. Who wants to bet that next year's team will be the one punished? They have several key players graduating and others are likely to follow them to the draft i would guess.

Its just crazy to think of what Syracuse and SMU received for punishment, and then this goes on. Also, I hate hate hate the postseason ban as a form of punishment. Makes Zero sense. I agree with what Pitino has suggested as far as a fine, then also scholarship limitations, probationary periods, etc.

And yes please dont lump Roy, and K with Pitino,Calimari.

[RabbitObsessed]

Re: Louisville Basketball

The coaches you name are not even on the same planet when it comes to dirtiness. Pitino, a practicing "catholic", cheated on his wife by knocking some chick up in a restaurant, and then subsequently gave her money for an abortion. And you are lumping Roy Williams and Coach K in with this guy? Good Grief.

What in the world does any of that have to do with basketball?

[Nidaros]

Re: Louisville Basketball

What in the world does any of that have to do with basketball?

It's a character attack. If he said he was a Lutheran it would not matter since Martin Luther threw out Marriage as a Holy Sacrament. Any way what he did does not set a good example for his players. So from that very skewed angle we are talking basketball.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

Re: Louisville Basketball

The coaches you name are not even on the same planet when it comes to dirtiness. Pitino, a practicing "catholic", cheated on his wife by knocking some chick up in a restaurant, and then subsequently gave her money for an abortion. And you are lumping Roy Williams and Coach K in with this guy? Good Grief.

Derrick Rose failed the ACT 3 times in Chicago, yet miraculously passed the SAT in Detroit which allowed him to gain entry to Memphis. But I bet you don't think Calipari knew anything about that, right?

There were more than 1400 student athletes over 18 years that were involved in the UNC academic scandal. 1400 students athletes who likely should have been ineligible. Do you realize how many games/matches UNC should have to forfeit?

There could be up to 3 national championships and 9 final four appearances taken away from North Carolina men's basketball - if it was investigated like a Miami incident would be. But that won't happen, because the scandal is too big, and UNC is 1 of maybe 10 schools that are too big to fail in the NCAA economy.

But I bet you don't think Williams (and Dean Smith, Bill Guthridge, Matt Daughtery, and dozens of other coaches) knew anything about that, right?

[jackdaniel]

Re: Louisville Basketball

Big money rules corruption, money can buy off a lot of scrutiny. But, .......money rules everything,it seems, ...when that's what everyone wants any way ,and in some cases need. More token penalty's,false outrage, and the issue will eventually die off, like it always does, then off to find more of the same.Never ending story.

The NCAA will do just enough to placate (?) the public,enough to appear to be "on the job",then they can pat themselves on the back,go back to their offices, and it will be "business " as usual ,turning a blind eye to numerous violations until it begins to look like the rug is becoming a little "lumpy "again and outside entities again begin to ask embarrassing questions.

Geez, I hate being cynical,but can't help being a realist either.

[Nidaros]

Re: Louisville Basketball

Big money rules corruption, money can buy off a lot of scrutiny. But, .......money rules everything,it seems, ...when that's what everyone wants any way ,and in some cases need. More token penalty's,false outrage, and the issue will eventually die off, like it always does, then off to find more of the same.Never ending story.

The NCAA will do just enough to placate (?) the public,enough to appear to be "on the job",then they can pat themselves on the back,go back to their offices, and it will be "business " as usual ,turning a blind eye to numerous violations until it begins to look like the rug is becoming a little "lumpy "again and outside entities again begin to ask embarrassing questions.

Geez, I hate being cynical,but can't help being a realist either.

I share your cynism.

[jackdaniel]

Re: Louisville Basketball

I share your cynism.

It's not that we want to be grumpy old men, ...but they leave us no choice...LOL

[TK22867]

Re: Louisville Basketball

There were more than 1400 student athletes over 18 years that were involved in the UNC academic scandal. 1400 students athletes who likely should have been ineligible. Do you realize how many games/matches UNC should have to forfeit?

There could be up to 3 national championships and 9 final four appearances taken away from North Carolina men's basketball - if it was investigated like a Miami incident would be. But that won't happen, because the scandal is too big, and UNC is 1 of maybe 10 schools that are too big to fail in the NCAA economy.

But I bet you don't think Williams (and Dean Smith, Bill Guthridge, Matt Daughtery, and dozens of other coaches) knew anything about that, right?

I'm with you 100% re: UNC and their academic scandal, but don't understand your need to lump Coach K and the Lance Thomas incident into this, which you do every time. The Lance Thomas incident was out of Coach K's control. If you're going to do that, let's talk about the actions of Nagy's players in 2006. Shall we?