End of FBS v FCS?

[jack power]

Re: End of FBS v FCS?

IMO, FCS games have zero impact on the FBS national championship in its current format. If Iowa (5) had beaten a G5 or even a P5 instead of Illinois State, they would still be out of the playoff.

For P5 schools this is what matters:

1-Make and win your conference championship game.
2-Go undeafeated or have 1 loss to a reputable program early in the season.

Do those 2 things and playing FCS doesn't matter. You will be in the field of 4.

If the playoff field is expanded, playing an FCS could make the difference between being in or out. Eventual playoff field expansion is what the Big 10 is concerned about with their attitude toward FCS.

A nightmare scenario in a hypothetically expanded playoff field actually happened in the Big 10 this year. Rutgers played an FCS (Norfolk State) and 2 teams that lost to an FCS (Washington State and Kansas). Then proceeded to spread that leprosy throughout league play. The difference in computer rankings could mean Northwestern (13) and Michigan (14) getting into a 12 team playoff field. It could mean the difference between the Big10 getting 3 or 5 teams in the field of 12.

And the Big10 was lucky Rutgers sucked in conference play.

The Pac12 (left out of the field of 4) felt the sting of 6 wins Washington State dealt out through conference play after losing to Portland State. It would be very, very interesting to see where Stanford (6) would have ended in the final polls without Washington's loss to an FCS dragging everyone's computer rankings down. I'm guessing all P5 conferences are doing or have done analysis in that regard.

In an expanded playoff field, all conferences would definitely push schools to drop FCS games.

The part in bold is the key. In the present playoff format the P5 schools minus the Big 10 will continue to play FCS. If they expand it, they'll drop FCS like a rock.The FCS will be left competing for money games against the G5. With a smaller number of guarantee teams available for the P5 schools,those craptastic FBS teams will get huge paydays.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

Re: End of FBS v FCS?

The part in bold is the key. In the present playoff format the P5 schools minus the Big 10 will continue to play FCS. If they expand it, they'll drop FCS like a rock.The FCS will be left competing for money games against the G5. With a smaller number of guarantee teams available for the P5 schools,those craptastic FBS teams will get huge paydays.

The playoff is going to expand, I don't think there is any doubt about that. The only question is when, the playoff was created near the end of the season and instituted the next season IIRC. I think the Big 10 is trying to get ahead of the expansion, and trying to make sure there aren't any FCS games that had already been scheduled. It will save them buyout money to drop FCS games that have been scheduled, and save some MAJOR headaches in trying to fill out an FCS buyout game on short notice.

[TK22867]

Re: End of FBS v FCS?

The playoff is going to expand, I don't think there is any doubt about that. The only question is when, the playoff was created near the end of the season and instituted the next season IIRC. I think the Big 10 is trying to get ahead of the expansion, and trying to make sure there aren't any FCS games that had already been scheduled. It will save them buyout money to drop FCS games that have been scheduled, and save some MAJOR headaches in trying to fill out an FCS buyout game on short notice.

Mike Tirico had an interesting idea today on K&R. He thinks to eliminate the nonsense that they should go to a 6 team playoff, with the #1 and #2 team getting first round byes. 5 of the teams would be the conference champions from the P5 and the remaining team would be an at-large school.

His position was that the Big 12 would need to add a championship game and then each conference title game becomes a bonus "play-in" game for the playoff. This would not cheapen the regular season like an 8 team playoff might. Each team's first goal will be to get to the conference title game.

I like the idea, but it wouldn't sit well with independents and the G5 schools, unless they went to the mega conferences that were alluded to earlier. That might finally allow NDSU to join the B1G

[Carolina010]

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I don't think you will ever see it get to 12 that is just too many games for fan bases to travel to neutral sites to watch. If/when it expands I think it tops put at 8. Each P5 conference champ will get it in. The highest rated G5 school ie Houston this year will get in and then the next 2 best teams. Computers don't really have a huge bearing on who gets in the playoffs or not since there is a committee that does it now.

If UNC would have beaten Clemson in the ACC championship game they probably would've been left out for stanford because they played 2 fcs teams but in general if you win your conference it wont matter if one of your games is against an fcs school.

[RochJack69]

Re: End of FBS v FCS?

FBS is going to go away. The "power 5" already run the playoff. Soon enough we will be seeing a different league of football. I'm not sure how they will fill their schedules or involve the NCAA but it won't be like it is now. There will be payouts but not to current FCS programs. At least I don't think so.

Will the no "power 5" absorb the top FCS conferences and the rest move back to a DII designation? I don't know but I think its likely. MVFC schools will be in the second level forever and ever and ever.

I'm guessing that the existing FCS conferences will remain in some form, though, may go back to DII. However, the power FCS teams will have to be invited into some FBS conference by some means. Maybe, it will be a system where performance counts over a period of time, moving up or down a level depending on their performance. Wouldn't that make lower level FBS teams sweat bullets?
I would like to see NDSU move into Western Mich's conference and see how they do with added scholarships.

[goon]

Re: End of FBS v FCS?

Mike Tirico had an interesting idea today on K&R. He thinks to eliminate the nonsense that they should go to a 6 team playoff, with the #1 and #2 team getting first round byes. 5 of the teams would be the conference champions from the P5 and the remaining team would be an at-large school.

His position was that the Big 12 would need to add a championship game and then each conference title game becomes a bonus "play-in" game for the playoff. This would not cheapen the regular season like an 8 team playoff might. Each team's first goal will be to get to the conference title game.

I like the idea, but it wouldn't sit well with independents and the G5 schools, unless they went to the mega conferences that were alluded to earlier. That might finally allow NDSU to join the B1G

I like Kannells idea for 8 teams. each power 5 school conferences, 1 G5 school and 2 at large. His bracket seemed prettty hard to argue with this morning when i saw it.

[MontanaRabbit]

Re: End of FBS v FCS?

One thing is certain. It doesn't matter how many teams it expands to there will be a bunch of bitching about how Team X deserved to make it into the field. Look at basketball, 68 team tourney now and immediately after the selection show you have bubble teams complaining they didn't make it in and most of the times these are P5 teams. The only teams that have a legitimate gripe are mid-majors who have an outstanding record, but can't get a decent team to come play them at their place. It bugs me to no end that the P5 teams basically play at home until conference games start. Unfair to the mid-majors.

[goon]

Re: End of FBS v FCS?

One thing is certain. It doesn't matter how many teams it expands to there will be a bunch of bitching about how Team X deserved to make it into the field. Look at basketball, 68 team tourney now and immediately after the selection show you have bubble teams complaining they didn't make it in and most of the times these are P5 teams. The only teams that have a legitimate gripe are mid-majors who have an outstanding record, but can't get a decent team to come play them at their place. It bugs me to no end that the P5 teams basically play at home until conference games start. Unfair to the mid-majors.

Thats why college basketball needs an official bracket or seeding released during the season just like they do for the college football playoffs. Different then the bracketology stuff they do now. Like the top 25 ranking, this would be the list then use and adjust week to week. So teams know where they stand. Bubble teams will know where they are well before the final bracket is released. I think it would be much more interesting then the bracketology stuff now that is just filler and has nothing backing it.

[MontanaRabbit]

Re: End of FBS v FCS?

Thats why college basketball needs an official bracket or seeding released during the season just like they do for the college football playoffs. Different then the bracketology stuff they do now. Like the top 25 ranking, this would be the list then use and adjust week to week. So teams know where they stand. Bubble teams will know where they are well before the final bracket is released. I think it would be much more interesting then the bracketology stuff now that is just filler and has nothing backing it.

Oh yeah, that would eliminate the bitching.

[jack power]

Re: End of FBS v FCS?

Oh yeah, that would eliminate the bitching.

Lol Yeah, i'm afraid the bitching will never end.

[Nidaros]

Re: End of FBS v FCS?

Lol Yeah, i'm afraid the bitching will never end.

We need some participation awards but doubt that will work.

[SDSUSmitty]

Re: End of FBS v FCS?

Big 12 scheduling requirement news.....

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArtic...CLID=210560102

[slosho]

Re: End of FBS v FCS?

Big 12 scheduling requirement news.....

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArtic...CLID=210560102

Beat me to this.

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[jack power]

Re: End of FBS v FCS?

Big 12 scheduling requirement news.....

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArtic...CLID=210560102

Looking at their schedules from this season, 8 of the schools were already in compliance. There were also just 2 teams that didn't play a FCS school.

[SUPERBUNNY]

Re: End of FBS v FCS?

I think something that needs to be considered is the money that FBS teams make on games against FCS Schools.

Take when SDSU visited Nebraska for example:
$4,730,000 Ticket Revenue ($55/ticket x 86,000), parking money, concessions, memorabilia, sponsorships, and many other revenue streams would get cut off for a 7th home game.

My guess is you're talking about $6mil in revenue less $400k to the Jacks. That's $5.6mil. Not a bad payday. Nebraska is Big 10 which has said they want that to end but I'm not sure all will. That's a lot of money to snub your nose at.

Time will tell.

SUPERBUNNY