Cost Of Attendance: The Thread

[JackJD]

Re: 2016 Recruits

. I hope that people who feel compelled to write angry posts on the topic of COA (which you're certainly welcome to do) are only writing those posts after dropping off a substantial check at the athletic offices.

There's the line you're focused on Montana.

I defend the 'right' of posters to write what they want about COA but I don't understand the anger expressed by some posters. To me, it seems like the anger one might expect from a donor who isn't getting his way. I contend that the COA is something the administration must realize we have to offer and I think some may want to chill out while the administration figures it out. They have knowledge of the financial details etc to make the decision and when to make the announcement (wish it was announced yesterday! I wasn't real happy when USD announced before us). I think the athletic administration deserves high marks for what it has done the past few years and I'm not going to get ticked off -- disappointed, yes, angry, no -- because they haven't announced what SDSU is going to do on COA yet. Just my opinion.

and actually, most of the posts haven't been angry.

[MontanaRabbit]

Re: 2016 Recruits

No one has made that assertion and I would not agree with it.

Might want to read your own post.

Whether you meant it that way or not thats exactly what you posted. Unless your a "substantial" donor you shouldn't write an angry response.

Your post is similar to the posts bragging about how much money they've donated. Its great people donate but how much an opinion counts shouldnt hinge on what they've given.

[JackJD]

Re: 2016 Recruits

Maybe its the, if you don't vote you can't complain about politics?

i think that's not quite on point, my friend goon although some may try to make that argument. The athletic department doesn't receive big dollars from taxpayers -- at least not directly. But students pay fees that benefit athletics and there is some indirect taxpayer support in the mix. As a result, I think everyone has the right (maybe a duty) to register complaints. Personally, I think we have to start with the idea that the administrators are doing the best they can with limited resources. I expect our COA announcement to be made very soon and I will be disappointed more each day that passes without the announcement because I think it will negatively impact recruiting. But is there anyone who thinks the administration doesn't share those same feelings? Heck, they've been worried about COA for a long time. Me getting angry about it isn't going to do anything to address the problem: funding.

[JackJD]

Re: 2016 Recruits

Right. Since voicing an opinion requires a poster to be a big donor.

No one has made that assertion and I would not agree with it.

The COA commitment is a tough one when we have so many demands for funding including salaries for coaches, facility improvements etc. I'm squarely in favor of offering the COA for all sports and making that announcement as soon as possible. I have to believe that there cannot be more than a few Jacks fans who don't feel the same. I don't get the anger expressed in some posts. (But I support and will defend the "right" to express that anger on the message board.)

[jackdaniel]

Re: 2016 Recruits

It won't ever get cheaper the longer one waits, and we have to stay competitive recruiting wise. Might as well do it too.

[yoteforever]

Re: 2016 Recruits

Does anyone have an idea what the total cost would be for the athletic department? Would it be a budget increase of 2%, 5%, 10%, or more?

In the case of SDSU, it would amount to roughly a 4% increase in your budget.

[propar80]

Re: 2016 Recruits

What ever it takes...just do it sooner than later.

Go Jacks!!

[TK22867]

Re: 2016 Recruits

When I think COA, all I hear is the sound of increased minimum donations required for season tickets..........

[Nidaros]

Re: 2016 Recruits

Does anyone have an idea what the total cost would be for the athletic department? Would it be a budget increase of 2%, 5%, 10%, or more?

That's a hard question to answer as each and every sport has details to deal with. I happen to sit by Anita Wood, Head Softball coach at the Endowment banquet. I asked her about the COA and she explained to me how it worked but did not give any details about how the COA would affect her program. She has 9 scholarships to split amongst 19 players so if a dollar amount goes with each full scholarship then this has to follow the splits in scholarship money to be total equitable. At least this what I am thinking, but I may be totally wrong. Do we have the funds to COA every sport? That might be the biggest question. Would COA be necessary for the minor sports such as tennis and golf? How competitive is it right now absent the COA factor for each sport?
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[OldHare]

Re: 2016 Recruits

Does anyone have an idea what the total cost would be for the athletic department? Would it be a budget increase of 2%, 5%, 10%, or more?

[goon]

Re: 2016 Recruits

Right. Since voicing an opinion requires a poster to be a big donor.

Maybe its the, if you don't vote you can't complain about politics?

I would hope SDSU is being proactive on this front. If this did not shift a priority for the admin, it should have.

however I have issues with the whole COA thing to start with, thats niether here nor there in the debate on where or when SDSU joins those in offering it.

[Nidaros]

Re: 2016 Recruits

So far there has been no public announcement by SDSU on COA. One probably cannot conclude anything from silence but it seems likely that the athletic administration is carefully making sure that when they announce, they know they can back it up. Note that the NDSU announcement did not state all funds or the source(s) for all funds were locked in. However, if I was an NDSU fan, based on past fundraising performance, I would have confidence that the money for COA will be there. If I was a USD fan, upon reading the USD COA announcement, I would not have the confidence of an NDSU fan and I would probably be concerned that something is getting shifted around, e.g. further improvements to the DakotaDome just dropped on the priority list. (But, if USD has locked in the funding sources, good for them.)

SDSU has undertaken a huge financial investment in facilities these past couple of years and those improvements will pay dividends. I expect the administrators to be certain they have a realistic COA plan in place before it is announced. Until it is announced, I think we have to bide our time. For the past several years, the administration has been instrumental in helping SDSU accomplish more than anyone expected and they deserve our trust. I hope that people who feel compelled to write angry posts on the topic of COA (which you're certainly welcome to do) are only writing those posts after dropping off a substantial check at the athletic offices.

It's hard to imagine that the admin was totally surprised by the NDSU and USD announcements. Something tells me that they have a similar plan, for some reason it has not been announced. We have too much to loose by doing nothing. I for one do not feel the urge to lash out in anger but instead will be patient.

[MontanaRabbit]

Re: 2016 Recruits

I hope that people who feel compelled to write angry posts on the topic of COA (which you're certainly welcome to do) are only writing those posts after dropping off a substantial check at the athletic offices.

Right. Since voicing an opinion requires a poster to be a big donor.

[hareball]

Re: 2016 Recruits

So far there has been no public announcement by SDSU on COA. One probably cannot conclude anything from silence but it seems likely that the athletic administration is carefully making sure that when they announce, they know they can back it up. Note that the NDSU announcement did not state all funds or the source(s) for all funds were locked in. However, if I was an NDSU fan, based on past fundraising performance, I would have confidence that the money for COA will be there. If I was a USD fan, upon reading the USD COA announcement, I would not have the confidence of an NDSU fan and I would probably be concerned that something is getting shifted around, e.g. further improvements to the DakotaDome just dropped on the priority list. (But, if USD has locked in the funding sources, good for them.)

SDSU has undertaken a huge financial investment in facilities these past couple of years and those improvements will pay dividends. I expect the administrators to be certain they have a realistic COA plan in place before it is announced. Until it is announced, I think we have to bide our time. For the past several years, the administration has been instrumental in helping SDSU accomplish more than anyone expected and they deserve our trust. I hope that people who feel compelled to write angry posts on the topic of COA (which you're certainly welcome to do) are only writing those posts after dropping off a substantial check at the athletic offices.

As a USD fan, I have no such concerns. I believe that once the 2 ND schools announced their decisions, the cost of USD not offering FCOA is greater than the cost of offering FCOA. I also believe that SDSU is committed to doing the same and would bet that they are telling prospective recruits that they will be offering FCOA.

[jack power]

Re: 2016 Recruits

So far there has been no public announcement by SDSU on COA. One probably cannot conclude anything from silence but it seems likely that the athletic administration is carefully making sure that when they announce, they know they can back it up. Note that the NDSU announcement did not state all funds or the source(s) for all funds were locked in. However, if I was an NDSU fan, based on past fundraising performance, I would have confidence that the money for COA will be there. If I was a USD fan, upon reading the COA announcement, I would immediately be concerned that further improvements to the DakotaDome may have less priority.

SDSU has undertaken a huge financial investment in facilities these past couple of years and those improvements will pay dividends. I expect the administrators to be certain they have a realistic COA plan in place before it is announced. Until it is announced, I think we have to bide our time. For the past several years, the administration has been instrumental in helping SDSU accomplish more than anyone expected and they deserve our trust. I hope that people who feel compelled to write angry posts on the topic of COA (which you're certainly welcome to do) are only writing those posts after dropping off a substantial check at the athletic offices.

Yep. The part in bold is certainly the solution to the problem.