The end of the "Big Dance" as we know it

[jackmd]

It is only a matter of time, I mean a few years or less, before the major conferences form their own post-season tournaments. There is currently a push to guarantee 4 year scholarships and provide medical coverage for student athletes. The major conferences are going to require it. In order to fund this coverage they will require increased revenue and sharing it with non-major conferences is not going to be in the plan. The major conferences will expand to include any institutions that can meet the heavy financial burden associated with these changes. That is going to leave the majority of basketball playing DI programs out of the picture.

So, in the very near future the Summit League and all other non-major/non-BCS conferences will be playing in a post-season basketball tournament of their own. I don't think anyone knows for sure what that is going to look like but its not going to be the "Big Dance". I suppose you could think of it as the "FCS" division of basketball.

I suppose I could be wrong but I don't think I am. I think its inevitable as the current structure of the NCAA and the vast differences in funding between the major conference schools and all the rest will force a major paradigm shift. I'm not sure if its a good thing or a bad thing, certainly it will be different.

[Nidaros]

Re: The end of the "Big Dance" as we know it

It is only a matter of time, I mean a few years or less, before the major conferences form their own post-season tournaments. There is currently a push to guarantee 4 year scholarships and provide medical coverage for student athletes. The major conferences are going to require it. In order to fund this coverage they will require increased revenue and sharing it with non-major conferences is not going to be in the plan. The major conferences will expand to include any institutions that can meet the heavy financial burden associated with these changes. That is going to leave the majority of basketball playing DI programs out of the picture.

So, in the very near future the Summit League and all other non-major/non-BCS conferences will be playing in a post-season basketball tournament of their own. I don't think anyone knows for sure what that is going to look like but its not going to be the "Big Dance". I suppose you could think of it as the "FCS" division of basketball.

I suppose I could be wrong but I don't think I am. I think its inevitable as the current structure of the NCAA and the vast differences in funding between the major conference schools and all the rest will force a major paradigm shift. I'm not sure if its a good thing or a bad thing, certainly it will be different.

I suspect any action to do this will require a vote of the D1 membership. Each institution will have one vote. Dollars and budgets will have no votes. I would tend to think it will take some convincing to change anything from the present scheme of revenue sharing. These power houses not having the votes, will no doubt form their own association and will try to grab all the advertising from the current NCAA group who holds the contracts. This could be risky for the big boys. Safety in numbers seems to favor the non-majors and bring it on. Guaranteed scholarships and medical coverage seem like noble things that the NCAA should have done decades back. Just my take. But its slow on the board now days and appreciate jackmd starting this thread.

[2002jack]

Re: The end of the "Big Dance" as we know it

It is only a matter of time, I mean a few years or less, before the major conferences form their own post-season tournaments. There is currently a push to guarantee 4 year scholarships and provide medical coverage for student athletes. The major conferences are going to require it. In order to fund this coverage they will require increased revenue and sharing it with non-major conferences is not going to be in the plan. The major conferences will expand to include any institutions that can meet the heavy financial burden associated with these changes. That is going to leave the majority of basketball playing DI programs out of the picture.

So, in the very near future the Summit League and all other non-major/non-BCS conferences will be playing in a post-season basketball tournament of their own. I don't think anyone knows for sure what that is going to look like but its not going to be the "Big Dance". I suppose you could think of it as the "FCS" division of basketball.

I suppose I could be wrong but I don't think I am. I think its inevitable as the current structure of the NCAA and the vast differences in funding between the major conference schools and all the rest will force a major paradigm shift. I'm not sure if its a good thing or a bad thing, certainly it will be different.

At one time, I would have thought a post like this was hysteria, but I now believe you are correct. This shift will happen and it will happen soon. It should be fun to sit back and watch as schools position themselves for the massive re-alignment. I would hope SDSU can "stick" with NDSU, I would hate to see them in a different division/conference.

[jackmd]

Re: The end of the "Big Dance" as we know it

I suspect any action to do this will require a vote of the D1 membership. Each institution will have one vote. Dollars and budgets will have no votes. I would tend to think it will take some convincing to change anything from the present scheme of revenue sharing. These power houses not having the votes, will no doubt form their own association and will try to grab all the advertising from the current NCAA group who holds the contracts. This could be risky for the big boys. Safety in numbers seems to favor the non-majors and bring it on. Guaranteed scholarships and medical coverage seem like noble things that the NCAA should have done decades back. Just my take. But its slow on the board now days and appreciate jackmd starting this thread.

It comes down to money, like it almost always does. The NCAA fat cats and universities have been making stacks of it on the backs of student athletes. The recent rulings regarding unionization and the Ed O'Bannon case will change the rules considerably. I am not saying the NCAA will cease to exist but I am saying will be a much different animal than it is now. What I have read, what I have heard and what I think is likely is an alliance of major conference universities independent of the NCAA organizing their own league including their own post-season tournament.

I doesn't signal the end of the world for the non-major DI schools it just means a change in the rules.

[jack power]

Re: The end of the "Big Dance" as we know it

I suspect any action to do this will require a vote of the D1 membership. Each institution will have one vote. Dollars and budgets will have no votes. I would tend to think it will take some convincing to change anything from the present scheme of revenue sharing. These power houses not having the votes, will no doubt form their own association and will try to grab all the advertising from the current NCAA group who holds the contracts. This could be risky for the big boys. Safety in numbers seems to favor the non-majors and bring it on. Guaranteed scholarships and medical coverage seem like noble things that the NCAA should have done decades back. Just my take. But its slow on the board now days and appreciate jackmd starting this thread.

4 year scholarships were voted back in by the NCAA in 2011,i believe. The difference is it is a school option. Some schools have awarded them,most don't. Recently USC announced they were guaranteeing 4 year scholly's to football,men's and women's basketball. I don't see any extra cost involved but it will affect recruiting. If an athlete doesn't perform up to expectations schools still have to honor their scholarship all 4 years.I'm ok with that.

As far as medical coverage,schools already incur some cost but that will certainly increase depending on what the coverage is.

[jackmd]

Re: The end of the "Big Dance" as we know it

4 year scholarships were voted back in by the NCAA in 2011,i believe. The difference is it is a school option. Some schools have awarded them,most don't. Recently USC announced they were guaranteeing 4 year scholly's to football,men's and women's basketball. I don't see any extra cost involved but it will affect recruiting. If an athlete doesn't perform up to expectations schools still have to honor their scholarship all 4 years.I'm ok with that.

As far as medical coverage,schools already incur some cost but that will certainly increase depending on what the coverage is.

The new policy will GUARANTEE the scholarships for 4 years if that student remains in school regardless of whether the athlete remains on the team or plays a minute. I don't believe that is the case right now. I may be wrong. There will be increased cost.

[jack power]

Re: The end of the "Big Dance" as we know it

It comes down to money, like it almost always does. The NCAA fat cats and universities have been making stacks of it on the backs of student athletes. The recent rulings regarding unionization and the Ed O'Bannon case will change the rules considerably. I am not saying the NCAA will cease to exist but I am saying will be a much different animal than it is now. What I have read, what I have heard and what I think is likely is an alliance of major conference universities independent of the NCAA organizing their own league including their own post-season tournament.

I doesn't signal the end of the world for the non-major DI schools it just means a change in the rules.

I don't disagree with most of what you're saying other than post season play. Other than football,i could see Summit level schools involved in post season tournaments. Major schools,more importantly,television see a value in watching a mid-major making an unlikely run in the NCAA BB tournament. That said,how teams are selected would certainly change.

[TransAmBison]

Re: The end of the "Big Dance" as we know it

At one time, I would have thought a post like this was hysteria, but I now believe you are correct. This shift will happen and it will happen soon. It should be fun to sit back and watch as schools position themselves for the massive re-alignment. I would hope SDSU can "stick" with NDSU, I would hate to see them in a different division/conference.

I don't think there is anything to worry about...unless I win the lottery (which I don't buy tickets for) repeatedly.

[jack power]

Re: The end of the "Big Dance" as we know it

The new policy will GUARANTEE the scholarships for 4 years if that student remains in school regardless of whether the athlete remains on the team or plays a minute. I don't believe that is the case right now. I may be wrong. There will be increased cost.

I don't see the increased cost unless schools are allowed to replace players that don't pan out but stay on scholarship.

[bigticket1]

Re: The end of the "Big Dance" as we know it

I don't think there is anything to worry about...unless I win the lottery (which I don't buy tickets for) repeatedly.

You mean you disagree with our banned friend (via his alters) over on the NDSU board who say the Bison need to go FBS immediately if not sooner ?

[TransAmBison]

Re: The end of the "Big Dance" as we know it

You mean you disagree with our banned friend (via his alters) over on the NDSU board who say the Bison need to go FBS immediately if not sooner ?

Something like that.

[joeboo22]

Re: The end of the "Big Dance" as we know it

The new policy will GUARANTEE the scholarships for 4 years if that student remains in school regardless of whether the athlete remains on the team or plays a minute. I don't believe that is the case right now. I may be wrong. There will be increased cost.

It will be somewhat of an increased cost because they will be on the books, etc. when before they wouldn't be. But as I understood the proposal, it would affect the 13 man limit as well. So if you have 13 recruits, and 3 quit but don't leave the school, you are still paying the scholarships, and only now have 10 on the roster.

I don't know if it will affect basketball as much as football, and I think it will hurt the women's sports more. In my eyes it seems as if men's bball players try to hang on and go anywhere for playing time, where football and women's sports tend to quit but stay in school. But that is just a generality, no numbers to back it up so it could be quite wrong.

[jackdaniel]

Re: The end of the "Big Dance" as we know it

Could be simply the" rest" are knocking them off, case in point #3 mid-major power JMU knocks off mighty # 23 UCLA in WBB(the big poll) by 91-87 OT. Can't beat 'em....price em out!!

[jackdaniel]

Re: The end of the "Big Dance" as we know it

It is only a matter of time, I mean a few years or less, before the major conferences form their own post-season tournaments. There is currently a push to guarantee 4 year scholarships and provide medical coverage for student athletes. The major conferences are going to require it. In order to fund this coverage they will require increased revenue and sharing it with non-major conferences is not going to be in the plan. The major conferences will expand to include any institutions that can meet the heavy financial burden associated with these changes. That is going to leave the majority of basketball playing DI programs out of the picture.

So, in the very near future the Summit League and all other non-major/non-BCS conferences will be playing in a post-season basketball tournament of their own. I don't think anyone knows for sure what that is going to look like but its not going to be the "Big Dance". I suppose you could think of it as the "FCS" division of basketball.

I suppose I could be wrong but I don't think I am. I think its inevitable as the current structure of the NCAA and the vast differences in funding between the major conference schools and all the rest will force a major paradigm shift. I'm not sure if its a good thing or a bad thing, certainly it will be different.

The answer is simple, form another athletic organization and let the NCAA have their P5. Another that isn't corrupted by big money in the first place, and holds true honorable principles.After all, the NCAA displaced another, what makes them so sure it can't be done again. I think I'm a born revolutionist....wait, this is 2014,can't happen.

[Nidaros]

Re: The end of the "Big Dance" as we know it

I was getting my political junky filled yesterday listen and viewing CSPAN and their call in show which included a guest named Steve Berkowitz from USA Today who I suspect NoVaJack knows personally. Berkowitz was fielding questions abut college athletics. Of course the issue of student athlete pay came up. Berkowitz said something which has changed my position entirely on this issue. I have often thought that the student athlete works for nothing. Berkowitz was commenting that the true value of athlete scholarship could be at least $125,000 dollars when you factor in some of the coaching salary. How else does the SA develop his/her skills but from the coaching staff. Minus the coaching staff, the SA would have hire his own coaching staff which would amount to thousands of dollars. So you might say there is a hidden benefit that the current SA are receiving. Maybe some tweeks in the upcoming NCAA convention are needed but nothing major I would hope. What I worry the most about is that some of our presidents and their egos. They are dreaming big expensive schemes to improve game day and so forth and their toying with booms and busts. I don't include President Chicone in this group.