Kentucky AT Robert Morris- NIT

[joeboo22]

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Kentucky will be fine, Calapari can recruit, no doubt. Still think its too early to say they are final 4 bound.

[RabbitObsessed]

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1 - If Davis goes down, I'm pretty sure last year's UK team at least wins *one* game in the NIT.

2 - So the #2 recruiting class in the country basically can't be counted on to win a single game in the NIT if its best player goes out with an injury.

3 - 'best recruiting class of all time'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxN9Mw6iQUs

4 - So Calipari's worst class ever was the #2 class in the country per ESPN, and the #1 class in the country per CBSSports....?

What are you even attempting to argue? Some high school classes have Durant and Oden, others don't. Having the best recruiting class one year is different than having it the next year. Kentucky had a terrible year and a dud of a recruiting class, but they will bounce back.

Again, what are you even attempt to argue/convey? That Kentucky is done for? That they weren't that good this year? That recruiting rankings mean nothing?

Oh, and Kentucky added another 5 star commit today.

[zooropa]

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Again, what are you even attempt to argue/convey? That Kentucky is done for? That they weren't that good this year? That recruiting rankings mean nothing?

Oh, and Kentucky added another 5 star commit today.

It's quite simple. Try to follow along:

You: "Kentucky will bounce back, they got an awesome recruiting class."

My point: "Recruiting classes are poor predictors of that year's performance."

The very means by which recruits are ranked is *incredibly* suspect, statistically invalid, unscientific, illogical, and cannot under any circumstances be independently evaluated, meaning that any conclusion that is based on those rankings is fruit of the poison tree.

You can't prove anything using those rankings and drawing conclusions based on them is like standing on thin ice and assuming it won't break because somebody told you it was thick.

[filbert]

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It's quite simple. Try to follow along:

You: "Kentucky will bounce back, they got an awesome recruiting class."

My point: "Recruiting classes are poor predictors of that year's performance."

The very means by which recruits are ranked is *incredibly* suspect, statistically invalid, unscientific, illogical, and cannot under any circumstances be independently evaluated, meaning that any conclusion that is based on those rankings is fruit of the poison tree.

You can't prove anything using those rankings and drawing conclusions based on them is like standing on thin ice and assuming it won't break because somebody told you it was thick.

Or, to boil down the essence of your argument into two words: Nate Wolters.

He was NOWHERE on the boards of top recruits. But he turned himself into a Naismith Award finalist--one of the best players in all of college basketball as a senior.

It ain't the raw ability, it's what you do with the ability you bring to the college game. Some guys are unheralded but turn into Nate Wolters, some guys are five-star recruits and turn into this year's Kentucky Wildcats.

[RabbitObsessed]

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It's quite simple. Try to follow along:

You: "Kentucky will bounce back, they got an awesome recruiting class."

Wrong. Read my original post. (I'll put it below so *you* can follow along).

Something tells me they'll be alright.

Did I give *any* explanation for my reasoning? No. Did I bring up recruits? No. The only reason I ever posted anything about recruits is because someone else brought them up and you brought up this years class as some ultimate example. You quoted my post that gave literally no explanation to my reasoning and just started arguing like you were some kind of ****ing moran.

I'll make it easy and articulate my thoughts here. I think Kentucky will "be alright" for the following reasons:

- They have a coach who has proved to be one of the best talent evaluators and recruiters in college basketball.
- They have a coach who has taken multiple teams to the final four.
- They spend more on their basketball program than almost any team in the nation. (I believe they are #1 this year again, but could only find this article about 2011: http://www.cardchronicle.com/2011/3/...nally-1-in-big)
- They have a fan base that is absolutely rabid and basketball crazy.
- History, tradition, and other things that give Dick Vitale an erection.
- Oh yeah, they get great recruits because Coach Cal tells kids he can get them drafted and then he does it.

Me: "Kentucky will bounce back, they got an awesome recruiting class." [sic] Give me a ****ing break.

It's ****ing Kentucky. "I think we'll be OK"

[joeboo22]

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Wrong. Read my original post. (I'll put it below so *you* can follow along).

Did I give *any* explanation for my reasoning? No. Did I bring up recruits? No. The only reason I ever posted anything about recruits is because someone else brought them up and you brought up this years class as some ultimate example. You quoted my post that gave literally no explanation to my reasoning and just started arguing like you were some kind of ****ing moran.

I'll make it easy and articulate my thoughts here. I think Kentucky will "be alright" for the following reasons:

- They have a coach who has proved to be one of the best talent evaluators and recruiters in college basketball.
- They have a coach who has taken multiple teams to the final four.
- They spend more on their basketball program than almost any team in the nation. (I believe they are #1 this year again, but could only find this article about 2011: http://www.cardchronicle.com/2011/3/...nally-1-in-big)
- They have a fan base that is absolutely rabid and basketball crazy.
- History, tradition, and other things that give Dick Vitale an erection.
- Oh yeah, they get great recruits because Coach Cal tells kids he can get them drafted and then he does it.

Me: "Kentucky will bounce back, they got an awesome recruiting class." [sic] Give me a ****ing break.

I agree with most of what you said, except for the part on talent evaluation. If you are recruiting top 100 recruits you don't need to be able to evaluate anything, and I'd question that Calapari evaluates anything, it seems he is more lets see how many McDonalds All-Americans I can get and throws it at the wall and see what comes out. He has had final 4 talent every year he has been at Kentucky. But many of the years it doesn't quite gel right and ultimately didn't quite get their.

[RabbitObsessed]

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I agree with most of what you said, except for the part on talent evaluation. If you are recruiting top 100 recruits you don't need to be able to evaluate anything, and I'd question that Calapari evaluates anything, it seems he is more lets see how many McDonalds All-Americans I can get and throws it at the wall and see what comes out. He has had final 4 talent every year he has been at Kentucky. But many of the years it doesn't quite gel right and ultimately didn't quite get their.

Fair enough. I honestly don't even follow college basketball recruiting. But I'm a huge defender of those suspect, unscientific, statistically invalid, illogical recruiting rankings!

[zooropa]

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Did I give *any* explanation for my reasoning? No.

Yes, you did. You quoted a reference to a recruiting class with approval.

You provided no other basis. At least now you've provided one item with positive correlation to success (and subsequent NCAA sanctions, but what the hey? who cares--nobody remembers that anyway).

The rest of the stuff: Minimal correlation with success. And, by the way, putting a single item (Calipari) under multiple headings does not multiply your evidence.

I mean seriously, what grade would you give that rant? If you want to say, "Hey, Kentucky will be fine. They've got Calipari", well, that's good. But please, let's not pretend that budget and fans and Dick Vitale's seal of approval are predictors of success.

[zooropa]

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Obviously Kentucky will be just fine, as they're bringing in the top recruiting class in the nation again next year. It just shows that talent can't always replace experience.

True. Though for the last third of the season, Kentucky was going against experience and missing their best player due to injury. So there's that.

See? I even found the quote for you, so you wouldn't have to. And I embedded Kemo's quote so you'll see exactly what you did there.

[RabbitObsessed]

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See? I even found the quote for you, so you wouldn't have to. And I embedded Kemo's quote so you'll see exactly what you did there.

Watch how fun this is.

Obviously Kentucky will be just fine, as they're bringing in the top recruiting class in the nation again next year. It just shows that talent can't always replace experience.

True. Though for the last third of the season, Kentucky was going against experience and missing their best player due to injury. So there's that.

ZOMG THE BOLD CHANGES EVERYTHING!!!11!

That's why my second sentence starts with "though" - the two thoughts are related and I was addressing Kemo's thoughts on experience vs. talent.

I can't believe I keep replying.

[zooropa]

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I can't believe I keep replying.

Thank you for clarifying.

Of course, I note that you still make reference to the ranking of recruits.... Tsk tsk.

I could take a dump and give it a five star rating, and who could prove that it was or was not a five star pile of well, you know.

[witness]

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Thank you for clarifying.Of course, I note that you still make reference to the ranking of recruits.... Tsk tsk.I could take a dump and give it a five star rating, and who could prove that it was or was not a five star pile of well, you know.

Maybe the Big Ten/SEC/Big East/Big 12 shoulda ya know stop recruiting top 100 players since recruiting rankings mean nothing.

[zooropa]

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Maybe the Big Ten/SEC/Big East/Big 12 shoulda ya know stop recruiting top 100 players since recruiting rankings mean nothing.

Maybe they should stop calling them "Top 100 players".

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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USA Today asked top coaches, "have you ever lost a recruit because you would not cheat?"

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...-ncaa/2002521/

TL;DR none of the coaches interviewed in the article cheat, but lots of others probably do. LOL.

I found Pitino's answer quite interesting.

It happened two times in my life. Once two or three years ago. I was blown away. In all my years no one had ever asked me for anything. Whether they asked the assistant coaches I am not sure. And it happened for the first time three years ago. Shook their hand and said to them, 'This is over.' We left my basement, where the families were gathering on a visit. I said, 'Best of luck to you.' That was the only time in my 30 some years did it ever happen. I just move on to the next kid. It doesn't bother me at all. A coach who gives anything to a player is now being bought and he can never discipline the player. He is going to live in fear every night he puts his head down on the pillow that something is going to come out on what he did. To me, that's something I never want to go through.

[Jacks-02]

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