The Catholic Seven leave the Big East

[slosho]

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ncc 2.0!

This saddens me deeply I have much more to say on the topic but I said it all when I was opposed was going Division I. I thought then that this was going to happen and it looks like it's getting closer to reality. One of the main points for going Division I was the increase in the level of competition. Otherwise all this did is make us spend a bunch of money to be able to play in the NCC all over again. I had recently stated that I was wrong in being against the move to D1, perhaps I should retract my retracted's statement if this should happen.

[Rabbit74]

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This saddens me deeply I have much more to say on the topic but I said it all when I was opposed was going Division I I thought then that this was going to happen and it looks like it's getting closer to reality. One of the main points for going Division I was the increase in the level of competition. Otherwise all this did is make a spend a bunch of money to be able to play in the NCC all over again. I had recently stated that I was wrong in being against the move to D1 perhaps I should retract my retracted's statement if this should happen.

I agree, we didn't go DI to play the old NCC teams. Going back to playing NCC 2.0 for us would be like Butler returning to the Horizon. If you aren't moving forward, your moving backyard. IN a few years, I am guessing that the NCAA will look at splitting DI in basketball. 351 teams is to many for one division. I hope he are in a situation where we stay at the top level not in a situation that would result in us being dropped to a glorified DII. I think the Summit has the potential to do that for us as would the MVC.

[jackmd]

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I would vote for joining the MVC-no hesitation. It's a higher profile league,and i have no problem going to St.Louis every year for the mens tournament.

This would be my preference for sure. I am not wasting any time debating it as there is absolutely no concrete evidence that the MVC has any interest in SDSU. The Summit is our home and my focus is with this league for now.

[jackmd]

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I don't like the idea of a re-done DI NCC. Everytime Filbert suggests that I cringe! I like the idea of moving upward and think the MVC is a step in the right direction. I worry redoing the NCC per-se would be exactly like being stuck in neutral.

Agree, might as well stop the performance center plans and start talking about conference restrictions on scholarships again if this is the plan. The teams we left behind in the NCC wanted to be more like the NSIC than the Summit. The NSIC is a great conference for local and regional rivalries and gets about zero national exposure. Doesn't mean I'm not interested in expanding the Summit league.

[joeboo22]

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I agree, we didn't go DI to play the old NCC teams. Going back to playing NCC 2.0 for us would be like Butler returning to the Horizon. If you aren't moving forward, your moving backyard. IN a few years, I am guessing that the NCAA will look at splitting DI in basketball. 351 teams is to many for one division. I hope he are in a situation where we stay at the top level not in a situation that would result in us being dropped to a glorified DII. I think the Summit has the potential to do that for us as would the MVC.

The WAC is a glorified D-II, you could argue that IUPUI a school that is D-I, has been D-I is more of a D-II school then half of the schools in the NSIC. I understand what you are saying in don't let D-II schools move up just to make the conference better. But I think if you add UND, and UNC (2 fully qualified schools) and 1 of the two Minnesota schools (I don't see both SCSU, and Mankato going D-I). You aren't hurting the Summit any, and you are gaining better geography.

As for the MVC, The two issues I have is you go from a league where you are a top 3-4 dog year in and year out, just based on facilities and having the conference tournament in your back yard. Going to a league where you aren't a top 6 dog and the conference tournament is no longer in your back yard. The other issue or more fear I'd have is, was Creighton keeping the MVC together? Will the MVC be the WAC after Utah left? Will schools leave as quick as they have an offer?

I still don't think SDSU or NDSU gets an offer unless its a huge addition by the MVC

[OldHare]

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The notion that the NCC is the place you do not want anyone to know that you lived in an earlier life is a predisposition to some kind of inferiority complex. If you think that only NDSU, USD, SDSU, and now maybe UNO have the ability to make a successful transition; I am very confused why only you and maybe a one or two others is capable of the move. If UNC or UND have success, would you welcome them to the Summit? Maybe we could have a virtual campus and join the PAC 12 or SEC. Much like the concerns the MVC has a concern for private/public and geographically located schools, the Summit may have an identity to establish as well. Having some kind of a MVC envy may not be a healthy part of your identity knowing that they will not divorce a current member to court you who does not have a similar identity. As some have alluded that Creighton is not gone yet and if they do leave, does that open the door to other vacancies and the next thing you have is The Summit League 2.0!!! It would be great if hockey did not rule over basketball for some viewpoints, but what of the culture of football ruling over basketball??? The perfect world will arrive soon and I hope that someone recognizes it when it arrives.

[FargoBison]

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MVC commissioner Doug Elgin's interview with Yahoo sports...

http://www.yahoosportsradio.com/tag/doug-elgin/

[leeshajo]

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Isn't Elgin Missouri Valley Commish? They have it listed at Mountain Valley

[FargoBison]

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Isn't Elgin Missouri Valley Commish? They have it listed at Mountain Valley

Yep looks like a pretty bad typo by yahoo.

[filbert]

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OK, let's say for sake of argument that Creighton leaves the Valley, which turns around and decides to add Oral Roberts or somebody else rather than any of the Dakota schools?

What's the plan?

Let's say for some reason the Valley invites Oakland. What's the plan?

[OldHare]

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Conference realignment did not make the list of questions for Douple today during the press conference. They did mention that the Summit League has a suite in the new arena. One of the concerns in the information today revolved around the notion that Creighton would draw a need for a private school to replace the Jays. Next the qualifier would need to have facility and budget. Remember that the budget is not a concern overall for many of the schools in this area The situation is that the budget for many of the MVC basketball schools does not share with a football program. ORU may not swing this budget and draw the required crowds for games. So you are looking for a private school that has no interest or geography for an A10 or similar conference. The Summit should move to an identity that is not a transitional conference and operate independently as much as reasonable of other conference influence. Midwest is a geography that will need to be considered as much as possible as well Even though the SUU and Centenary and ORU work for games, many schoools have trouble with winters that have freezing temps. We do not want to insult people by considering DII to DI sports. We do not want NCC 2.0; so that eliminates UNC and UND. Denver was a mild surprise to visit the Summit. With the exit of UMKC, I am ready for another mild surprise to be added without openly suggesting any 2.0 version of NCC..(SDSU?NDSU?USD?UNO?)

OK, let's say for sake of argument that Creighton leaves the Valley, which turns around and decides to add Oral Roberts or somebody else rather than any of the Dakota schools?

What's the plan?

Let's say for some reason the Valley invites Oakland. What's the plan?

[FargoBison]

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OK, let's say for sake of argument that Creighton leaves the Valley, which turns around and decides to add Oral Roberts or somebody else rather than any of the Dakota schools?

What's the plan?

Let's say for some reason the Valley invites Oakland. What's the plan?

Are you operating on the assumption that Oakland is gone if ORU is going to the MVC? If Oakland somehow stays the Summit doesn't need to do much of anything, except continue pursuing a 10th team.

If Oakland leaves than we have some real issues. Issues that could be overcome as long as it is only them leaving. But really it is hard to have a plan since the Summit has no control over what UND, UNC or a MN DII school would do...the conference might very well be attractive to none of those schools for various reasons. Then things could get really ugly.

That said there is so much uncertainty with all the realignment that is occurring it is hard to say what is going to happen. Nothing is clear right now. The Summit could end up merging with the Horizon when it is all said and done.

[jacksfan29]

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Are you operating on the assumption that Oakland is gone if ORU is going to the MVC? If Oakland somehow stays the Summit doesn't need to do much of anything, except continue pursuing a 10th team.

If Oakland leaves than we have some real issues. Issues that could be overcome as long as it is only them leaving. But really it is hard to have a plan since the Summit has no control over what UND, UNC or a MN DII school would do...the conference might very well be attractive to none of those schools for various reasons. Then things could get really ugly.

That said there is so much uncertainty with all the realignment that is occurring it is hard to say what is going to happen. Nothing is clear right now. The Summit could end up merging with the Horizon when it is all said and done.

Once the smoke clears, I actually think your last sentence may be truer to reality then an invite for either XDSU to the MVC right now. I'm of the mindset that the MVC goes back to 10 with an invite to a private institution. WSU really has no place to go, minus FB there is no conference interested in them right now. If they stay there is really no reason for the MVC to move beyond 10 and I think the non-FB member schools want a BB focused school.

[filbert]

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Auto-bid conferences don't merge. The NCAA automatic qualifier is seen as too important. Witness the contortions the WAC is going through to maintain their status (or, for that matter, the contortions the Mid-Con went through to do the same).

[filbert]

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Are you operating on the assumption that Oakland is gone if ORU is going to the MVC? If Oakland somehow stays the Summit doesn't need to do much of anything, except continue pursuing a 10th team.

If Oakland leaves than we have some real issues. Issues that could be overcome as long as it is only them leaving. But really it is hard to have a plan since the Summit has no control over what UND, UNC or a MN DII school would do...the conference might very well be attractive to none of those schools for various reasons. Then things could get really ugly.

That said there is so much uncertainty with all the realignment that is occurring it is hard to say what is going to happen. Nothing is clear right now. The Summit could end up merging with the Horizon when it is all said and done.

No, I'm not operating under any assumptions other than the ones I presented. That's sort of the implication of "let's say for the sake of argument."

Now, to clarify, I was presenting two different scenarios, the only common point between them being the hypothetical Creighton departure from the MVC.