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  • #61
    Re: MSU-Mankato FB Coach Arrested

    Originally posted by MontanaRabbit View Post
    When I first moved to MT...in 2007, Montana State fired Mike Kramer for what MSU essentially called his failure to police his football team. There had been a number of incidents involving law enforcement with players on the team. There wasn't much or any discipline handed out by Kramer so MSU fired him.

    He won a fairly large settlement (200k of so) for damage to his reputation.

    I would say it's similar to this case.
    This coach hasn't been fired. He is suspended,with pay,pending resolution of a criminal investigation.

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    • #62
      Re: MSU-Mankato FB Coach Arrested

      Originally posted by MontanaRabbit View Post
      The speculation would have been there yes, but the school should not have released any information about why he was suspended. All questions should have been referred to the police.

      If he is indeed innocent, I will be willing to bet Mankato pays him some money. Care to take that bet?

      Montana State didn't do anything criminal when they fired Kramer yet paid him 200k because they "damaged his reputation".
      The school never gave a reason for the suspension. Re-read the tweet in the first post in this thread - " MSU-Mankato FB coach arrested on child pornography charges. No wonder no one has commented since Friday when he was escorted off practice field."

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      • #63
        Re: MSU-Mankato FB Coach Arrested

        Originally posted by jack power View Post
        The IT department discovered the videos on Aug.14. From there it went up the chain of command,thru 4 other people and then was reported to the sheriffs office on the 16th. He was suspended the next day. 3 days from discovery,deciding what they were dealing with, and a course of action, seems reasonable to me.
        There are a lot of aspects of this that are bizarre.

        It took two days, and presumably multiple people having viewed and in possession of these supposedly obscene videos before someone thought to call the police? How secure was this data during this time period?

        Why did they suspend him after reporting it to the sheriff's office, but prior to him being arrested/charged? Sounds like the police communicated some details of their investigation to the school? That seems like it shouldn't be happening for a whole bunch of reasons.

        Why did the school have to escort him off the football field? They wait 3 days, then decide it can't wait until after practice?
        “I used to be with it. But then they changed what it was. Now what I’m with isn’t it, and what’s it seems scary and wierd. It’ll happen to you.” — Abe Simpson

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        • #64
          Re: MSU-Mankato FB Coach Arrested

          Originally posted by goon View Post
          Is it common practice to have both school issue phones and personal use phones? or do most in the profession use 1 phone for both? I guess I would be a little concerned that regardless of the reasons for having naked kids on his phone, is that its a school phone that he probably uses to contact recruits and administration and alumni. I guess I thought most have their own home cell phone for personal use so not to mix the 2.
          I don't know about coaches, but I know lots of people who have company cell phones who use them as their personal phone as well. Much of the material they send and receive is not very professional...
          “I used to be with it. But then they changed what it was. Now what I’m with isn’t it, and what’s it seems scary and wierd. It’ll happen to you.” — Abe Simpson

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          • #65
            Re: MSU-Mankato FB Coach Arrested

            Originally posted by MontanaRabbit View Post
            The speculation would have been there yes, but the school should not have released any information about why he was suspended. All questions should have been referred to the police.

            If he is indeed innocent, I will be willing to bet Mankato pays him some money. Care to take that bet?

            Montana State didn't do anything criminal when they fired Kramer yet paid him 200k because they "damaged his reputation".
            The school never said why he was suspended.He also hasn't been fired.

            I'll pass on your bet,i would never wager on what a court might decide. That said,if he is innocent, i'm guessing a court might look at his role in this mess before handing him money.

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            • #66
              Re: MSU-Mankato FB Coach Arrested

              Originally posted by SF_Rabbit_Fan View Post
              There are a lot of aspects of this that are bizarre.

              It took two days, and presumably multiple people having viewed and in possession of these supposedly obscene videos before someone thought to call the police? How secure was this data during this time period?

              Why did they suspend him after reporting it to the sheriff's office, but prior to him being arrested/charged? Sounds like the police communicated some details of their investigation to the school? That seems like it shouldn't be happening for a whole bunch of reasons.

              Why did the school have to escort him off the football field? They wait 3 days, then decide it can't wait until after practice?
              All i know is the geek in the IT dept. discovered the videos on the 14th. I have no idea how long he took to give it to his superior,how long HE took to pass the info up the line,etc... Some on here are complaining about an overreaction, so i have no problem with the time that was taken.

              I have no idea why you think that the police might have shared info. with the school.

              Once he was arrested, how he was suspended became irrelevant.

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              • #67
                Re: MSU-Mankato FB Coach Arrested

                Unless msu has a policy for using school issued equipment that is not in line with professional conduct or something to that eFfect. He put msu in a tough spot just the same. And if it would get to the point he would get some sort of settlement I am sure with what happened at penn state msu would rather play it safe then sorry when its such an important and emotional subject. Not doing anything and being wrong would cause far more damage to msu imo.

                He seemed to have a good record at msu so I doubt they tried to soil his name with out doing their due diligence and frankly I think it would be hard to convince a jury that msu tried to ruin his reputation. If they followed the law and school policy I think they would be in the clear and it would be a horrible horrible situation no matter how you slice it for him.
                "The most rewarding things you do in life, are often the ones that look like they cannot be done.” Arnold Palmer

                Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things.

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                • #68
                  Re: MSU-Mankato FB Coach Arrested

                  I said I would not comment until the coach has his day in court and its just as well, I am lost in this sea of banter. What two pages of comments today? Looks like everyone is back and looking forward to Sept 1 and the Jayhawks.

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                  • #69
                    Re: MSU-Mankato FB Coach Arrested

                    Originally posted by SF_Rabbit_Fan View Post
                    I don't know about coaches, but I know lots of people who have company cell phones who use them as their personal phone as well. Much of the material they send and receive is not very professional...
                    Exactly. Our coaches use their phones for personal use all the time. Just look at their Twitter handles.
                    Disclaimer: This post may contain assumptions and/or opinions related to Jackrabbit Athletics.

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                    • #70
                      Re: MSU-Mankato FB Coach Arrested

                      Originally posted by SDSUAlum08 View Post
                      Exactly. Our coaches use their phones for personal use all the time. Just look at their Twitter handles.
                      I would imagine that many schools are rushing to get policies in place about use of school issued equipment phone video cameras etc. Imo it would be good to hammer the point use the work phone for work and the personal phone for all private matters. Something a long the lines saying if any content on the phone is found to be out of line with routine work fucntions....if anything that would appear to contain anything that would be in violation of city state and federal laws would be handed over to authorities and would be put on paid leave during any investigation into said content. something along those lines.
                      "The most rewarding things you do in life, are often the ones that look like they cannot be done.” Arnold Palmer

                      Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things.

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                      • #71
                        Re: MSU-Mankato FB Coach Arrested

                        Originally posted by goon View Post
                        I would imagine that many schools are rushing to get policies in place about use of school issued equipment phone video cameras etc. Imo it would be good to hammer the point use the work phone for work and the personal phone for all private matters. Something a long the lines saying if any content on the phone is found to be out of line with routine work fucntions....if anything that would appear to contain anything that would be in violation of city state and federal laws would be handed over to authorities and would be put on paid leave during any investigation into said content. something along those lines.
                        I guess I could care less if they're using their work phones for personal use. They need their phones by them at all times for recruiting purposes anyways.
                        Disclaimer: This post may contain assumptions and/or opinions related to Jackrabbit Athletics.

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                        • #72
                          Re: MSU-Mankato FB Coach Arrested

                          Originally posted by goon View Post
                          I would imagine that many schools are rushing to get policies in place about use of school issued equipment phone video cameras etc.
                          I would be shocked if those policies aren't already in place, and have been for several years. My employer allows us to use our company cell phones for personal use. When that change was made a couple of years ago, our employee handbooks were updated accordingly so that the policies were very similar to those already in place for company computers, email, internet use, etc. regarding objectionable/illegal materials.
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                          • #73
                            Re: MSU-Mankato FB Coach Arrested

                            Found this on the Fargo Forum:

                            http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/374321/

                            No porn found on his computer. Its really a shame when you consider his coaching record. He seems to have an ability to win.

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                            • #74
                              Re: MSU-Mankato FB Coach Arrested

                              If falsely accused, this coach may have a big legal claim, no?
                              http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf...ach/57782808/1

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                              • #75
                                Re: MSU-Mankato FB Coach Arrested

                                Originally posted by NoVaJack View Post
                                If falsely accused, this coach may have a big legal claim, no?
                                http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf...ach/57782808/1
                                Yes I would think so. The state of Minnesota should keep their check book handy.

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