Montana Athletic Director and Head Football Coach FIRED.

[MontanaRabbit]

http://billingsgazette.com/news/stat...1daa76ef0.html

Saw this just a second ago and did some looking on the Montana forum. Appears a major shakeup is in the works at the University of Montana.


I'm sure most of you have no idea about the stuff that's been happening in Missoula, but let's just say there have been several run-ins with the law from Grizz football players in the last year or so. Within the last two weeks their starting QB had a restraining order slapped on him for alledgedly raping a woman. The two sides came to some agreement about the retraining order and the QB was allowed back to practice. Pflugard then made a statement saying a young man with the high moral character of Jordy.......blah blah. Keep in mind, the charges are still coming it appears.

It makes me feel really good about our football program. Stig and his team are class acts.

[MontanaRabbit]

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It's official

http://billingsgazette.com/news/stat...1daa76ef0.html


This has been a long time coming in my opinion. They have been sweeping crap under the rug with that program for years.

[Nidaros]

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It's official

http://billingsgazette.com/news/stat...1daa76ef0.html


This has been a long time coming in my opinion. They have been sweeping crap under the rug with that program for years.

Interesting, keep us posted. Could something like this happen at SDSU? You would hope not.

[jackrabit1]

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Interesting, keep us posted. Could something like this happen at SDSU? You would hope not.

I wouldn't think this would happen... Stig has been pretty good about recruiting good people, even going so far as to not sign more-talented athletes because they didn't fit in with what he thought a student-athlete should be.

At the same time, Joe Paterno was the same in recruiting high-quality athletes and people. But judging the last few years with the number of his players involved in legal trouble, you have to wonder if he wasn't on Auto-pilot at that time.

Of course, our neighbors to the North had a few stretches where some of their players ran into some legal difficulties... so it can happen anywhere. The thing is how do you respond to it as a coach, as an administrator, and as a university?

[MontanaRabbit]

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I wouldn't think this would happen... Stig has been pretty good about recruiting good people, even going so far as to not sign more-talented athletes because they didn't fit in with what he thought a student-athlete should be.

At the same time, Joe Paterno was the same in recruiting high-quality athletes and people. But judging the last few years with the number of his players involved in legal trouble, you have to wonder if he wasn't on Auto-pilot at that time.

Of course, our neighbors to the North had a few stretches where some of their players ran into some legal difficulties... so it can happen anywhere. The thing is how do you respond to it as a coach, as an administrator, and as a university?

I think in this case, nothing was done by the coach or the AD.

This fall two players were arrested and charged with disorderly conduct and resisting arrest (I believe). The police tased the players at a party late one night after they returned home from a football game. One of the players was Trumain Johnson, a star corner back with a shot to play in the NFL. The next day, the AD went with the players to a prominent law office in Missoula to meet with a defense lawyer. This all occured during the season and neither player was suspended or disciplined at all. After the season (shocker, the case was delayed until after the season was over) the players both plead no contest to the disorderly conduct charge.

It's a case of, man he's one or our best players, let's do what we can to get him out of it or at least delay it until after the season.

Do you think Stig would have done the same thing? I don't.

[jackrabit1]

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I don't think that's the situation with Stig. But at the same time, he and his staff have done a pretty good job recruiting players who have a lot of integrity and character... at least insofar as they keep out of the police blotter and the front page of the Argus, Register and Collegian. LOL

At the same time, should something like this ever happen at SDSU (God forbid), I have faith that our coaches and administrators would do the right thing and put integrity ahead of an extra win or two.

[MontanaRabbit]

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[Completely agree with you that we can't always be 100% correct in our judgement. That's what teams rules and the associated punishments are for. I believe if you find yourself in trouble such as a DUI, assault, etc. and are getting an athletic scholarship, you should be suspended indefinitely until it plays out in the courts. Then the coach or AD can dish out an appropriate punishment.

It's really not that difficult to live your life and not get in trouble. Just because you are a star athlete does not give you a free pass to live unlawfully. That was happening in Missoula.

For the record, I don't know any of the details as to why TOB left the team.

[zooropa]

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These kind of incidents aren't impossible at SDSU (various crimes, etc.)

However, I'd like to think that the institutional character of SDSU's athletic department differs radically from Montana's.

The level of corruption in that department can be seen in the response to the deserved sacking of O'Day and Pflugrad. You have athletic department employees criticizing the president, on the record in a display of utter tone deafness toward the gravity of the situation as well as apparent ignorance of the president's freedom to act in this matter.

The response captured in the Missoulian's article is a textbook example of how a dysfunctional organization reacts to reasonable conduct.

[joeboo22]

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I think there are certain things that occur at every college football team, whether you like it or not. You will have players doing some drugs, underage drinking, cheating, probably even a few doing steroids, etc. The key is doing 1 of 2 things, having a system where if the school/team finds out about it you a system of rules to suspend them, or get them help, etc.

The other thing is the one I don't advise, but its making sure the Head Coach and Athletic Department don't get involved. If it goes up the ladder, everyone goes when you get caught,

[Nidaros]

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I think there are certain things that occur at every college football team, whether you like it or not. You will have players doing some drugs, underage drinking, cheating, probably even a few doing steroids, etc. The key is doing 1 of 2 things, having a system where if the school/team finds out about it you a system of rules to suspend them, or get them help, etc.

The other thing is the one I don't advise, but its making sure the Head Coach and Athletic Department don't get involved. If it goes up the ladder, everyone goes when you get caught,

Taking your usual good advice given to me in a PM, I deleted my message. Thanks Joe, you must be a good teacher.

[MaddogJack]

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I wonder if young Hermanson is second guessing his decision in favor of the "storied program"?

You hate to wish any bad to any person or program, but I agree that Stig has built a quality program, based MUCH more on the character of the individuals that come through our doors - than the now, grizzled Griz.

[joeboo22]

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And I'm not condoning bad actions, by any SDSU player, I just think that unless its been in the police files, or you have physical evidence that we should keep it quiet, or at least in the private message sector.

I'd also hesitate to say that drug use or alcohol use doesn't happen at SDSU, or is only condoned to those kids who are no longer with the program. Pot is used by many college athletes, TCU which was thought to be a pretty straight school had something like 90% fail a drug test (reported). And I think some use more then just pot, I don't think SDSU has a big problem, or that it is out of control, but I'd be careful to plant the flag and say we are different.

Back to the situation

A. Montana- I wonder if this hasn't been going on longer then some think? Hauck left in a hurry, many were surprised he left, and to UNLV of all places. Was the writing on the wall? I'm guessing its more then 1 or 2 players as well.

B. Some of things I've learned over the past 2-3 months about what was going on at USD, (From players, players families, friends of the program, neighbor of the coach) I think USD is lucky it didn't get to this point, and are VERY lucky that the public has yet to hear anything other then rumors about it.

[yoteforever]

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And I'm not condoning bad actions, by any SDSU player, I just think that unless its been in the police files, or you have physical evidence that we should keep it quiet, or at least in the private message sector.I'd also hesitate to say that drug use or alcohol use doesn't happen at SDSU, or is only condoned to those kids who are no longer with the program. Pot is used by many college athletes, TCU which was thought to be a pretty straight school had something like 90% fail a drug test (reported). And I think some use more then just pot, I don't think SDSU has a big problem, or that it is out of control, but I'd be careful to plant the flag and say we are different. Back to the situationA. Montana- I wonder if this hasn't been going on longer then some think? Hauck left in a hurry, many were surprised he left, and to UNLV of all places. Was the writing on the wall? I'm guessing its more then 1 or 2 players as well.B. Some of things I've learned over the past 2-3 months about what was going on at USD, (From players, players families, friends of the program, neighbor of the coach) I think USD is lucky it didn't get to this point, and are VERY lucky that the public has yet to hear anything other then rumors about it.

Wow, pretty powerful statement against USD. Either tell us what you've learned or don't make damaging statements. You are wrong in doing so, regardless if we are rivals.

[tjbison]

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With all the different ages, maturity levels etc... involved with college athletes, coupled with a tradition rich program that rule their state in small community that eats sleeps and breathes Griz football yes this can easily happen as these kids feel they are top class. Like the old movie Varsity blues it happens and happens in ALOT of programs, SDSU, USD, UND, SDSU are NOT immune. NDSU had issues and those kids were dealt with, and I bet there are still some things that the media doesnt see I admit it, but the real crap like this has never come out because rape is IMO worse than grabbing a TV from Best buy

[Nidaros]

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Wow, pretty powerful statement against USD. Either tell us what you've learned or don't make damaging statements. You are wrong in doing so, regardless if we are rivals.

But Joe just told me that we should not spread rumors.