Jay Bilas

[RabbitObsessed]

Re: Jay Bilas

Stuff and nonsense.

What Bilas is saying is this:

"Selection to the tournament should be at the exclusive discretion of a small group of people acting in secret who are accountable to no one other than the NCAA."

Put that way, how good does the idea sound?

You should *always* be able to play your way into the tournament. There should always be a way for teams to circumvent the biases and flaws that are part of ANY at-large selection process.

I think you have his argument wrong. He wants regular season champions to make the tournament, which is playing your way in, and it covers a larger sample size so the best team always makes it. When the best team from a conference always makes it, then there are more opportunities for upsets.

You seem to think that Bilas is some kind of NCAA mouthpiece but as far as I can tell, he is one of the most critical media members of the NCAA and their ridiculous policies.

[zooropa]

Re: Jay Bilas

He wants regular season champions to make the tournament

He either wants auto-bids or he doesn't. If he doesn't want automatic qualifiers then, regardless of what else he says, he is advocating MORE power in the hands of the NCAA, not less.

[RabbitObsessed]

Re: Jay Bilas

He either wants auto-bids or he doesn't. If he doesn't want automatic qualifiers then, regardless of what else he says, he is advocating MORE power in the hands of the NCAA, not less.

I don't like the idea in practice, but I think in theory it's a good idea. Like Socialism.

[zooropa]

Re: Jay Bilas

I don't like the idea in practice, but I think in theory it's a good idea. Like Socialism.

Assuming that there was an openly disclosed accountable and generally accepted formula for choosing the teams in the tournament, you could possibly dispense with the autobids.

Except what would happen is you'd have conferences severely curtailing OOC scheduling, to maximize the number of in-conference teams entering the tournament. Why give teams outside the most powerful conferences opportunity to beat the best teams in the conference, or beat a team that beats a better team in the conference?

If there were a better system (Ken Pomeroy or Sagarin), the haves would still figure out how to freeze out the have-nots.

[goon]

Re: Jay Bilas

Isnt it up the the confrence how to award their auto bid? So its really not up to the NCAA on how the auto bids work. In theory getting the best team would be gettng the regular season champ. How ever the confrence know the power of their confrence tourny would be pointless with out the auto bid. I see it both ways. Sdsu could be hurt by the current system or helped by it so I say leave it alone. Maybe one change I would make is to reward teams who have over .500 record in confrence so 8-8 power confrence teams dont make it but a 15-2 mid major gets priority.

[Mike Vicks Dead PitBulls]

Re: Jay Bilas

Isnt it up the the confrence how to award their auto bid? So its really not up to the NCAA on how the auto bids work. In theory getting the best team would be gettng the regular season champ. How ever the confrence know the power of their confrence tourny would be pointless with out the auto bid. I see it both ways. Sdsu could be hurt by the current system or helped by it so I say leave it alone. Maybe one change I would make is to reward teams who have over .500 record in confrence so 8-8 power confrence teams dont make it but a 15-2 mid major gets priority.

I think the Ivy gives their autobid to the regular season conference champ. I don't think they have a conference tourney.

[MontanaRabbit]

Re: Jay Bilas

I think the Ivy gives their autobid to the regular season conference champ. I don't think they have a conference tourney.

That is correct.

[jackmd]

Re: Jay Bilas

Isnt it up the the confrence how to award their auto bid? So its really not up to the NCAA on how the auto bids work. In theory getting the best team would be gettng the regular season champ. How ever the confrence know the power of their confrence tourny would be pointless with out the auto bid. I see it both ways. Sdsu could be hurt by the current system or helped by it so I say leave it alone. Maybe one change I would make is to reward teams who have over .500 record in confrence so 8-8 power confrence teams dont make it but a 15-2 mid major gets priority.

Exactly what the "power conferences" don't want. Example, MVC has 2 very good teams that will almost certainly get bids. 1 of those 2 teams doesn't win the conference tournament and now a 3rd team gets the autobid. That potentially bumps out a middle of the standings team from a power conference that played a much tougher schedule than the mid major teams. This or similar scenarios have lead to the proposed changes.

[Crashola]

Re: Jay Bilas

I guess I'm in the minority, but I've considered conference tournaments a crock since the day they were first introduced. Just another money-making scheme that proves very little. And they can be really bad in single-bid conferences. College X may have its best team in decades and dominate the regular-season conference schedule only to have one bad night during the conference tournament only to watch some other less-deserving team get the trip to the Big Show. It happens every year and it's heartbreaking to watch.

I'm probably also in the minority about Bilas. He's my favorite color guy. I actually learn something about basketball every time he does a color broadcast. I can't say that about most of the other analysts.

[jackmd]

Re: Jay Bilas

I guess I'm in the minority, but I've considered conference tournaments a crock since the day they were first introduced. Just another money-making scheme that proves very little. And they can be really bad in single-bid conferences. College X may have its best team in decades and dominate the regular-season conference schedule only to have one bad night during the conference tournament only to watch some other less-deserving team get the trip to the Big Show. It happens every year and it's heartbreaking to watch.

I'm probably also in the minority about Bilas. He's my favorite color guy. I actually learn something about basketball every time he does a color broadcast. I can't say that about most of the other analysts.

I agree on both counts and don't think you are in the minority. I only knock Bilas because he's a dookie. I think a lot of diehard fans believe the auto bid ought to go to the regular season conference champion if there is an outright champ. If there are two divisions have a playoff between those teams. That certainly makes the post-season tourney less relevant for many conferences but not for all. For those conferences that need the increased relevance strike a deal with the NIT to invite the conference tourney champ if they don't get a NCAA bid. Teams can always refuse.

One bad night by a very good teams should not eliminate them from the tourney and that does happen quite frequently in these conference tourneys. Now, we all love a Cinderella story but it ends pretty ugly less than a week later in most instances.

Bilas is a very bright guy that is largely unbiased and practical with his analysis. Again, too bad he is a dookie.

[joeboo22]

Re: Jay Bilas

I agree, however the thing about the conference tournament is, its a money maker for those small conferences (and large ones). The Ivy schools are all loaded already with large endowments and don't give athletic scholarships so they can afford to forgo the conference tournament. But I'm guessing the SL tournament makes some decent bank with the basketball tournaments.

[jackmd]

Re: Jay Bilas

I agree, however the thing about the conference tournament is, its a money maker for those small conferences (and large ones). The Ivy schools are all loaded already with large endowments and don't give athletic scholarships so they can afford to forgo the conference tournament. But I'm guessing the SL tournament makes some decent bank with the basketball tournaments.

Big conferences don't give a darn about the money made by small conference tournaments. The big conferences will almost certainly continue to award the autobid to the tourney champ. Small conferences will likely do the same for the reason you expressed. I was just suggesting that there are many of us that believe the regular season champ is likely the better team and should get the autobid. Not saying it will or should ever happen, there are many other factors at play.