The stipend of all stipends!

[Theee Catrabbit]

Pretty interesting stuff. Not sure what the Summit will do in this.

http://www.argusleader.com/article/2...ll|text|Home|s

http://www.argusleader.com/article/2...ll|text|Home|s

On the one hand it is expensive. There is title IX to consider, etc. I know it's mentioned that some sports could possibly get it while others could not. Doesn't that open up some sort of legal issues, eventually?
I think if the Summit wants to raise it's RPI in basketball this is it or at least remain competitive. What if the MVFC approves it but the Summit doesn't? Would that overrule Title IX? I can't see a lot of FCS schools wanting this, but there will be a few that do.

[SDSUAlum08]

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Pretty interesting stuff. Not sure what the Summit will do in this.

http://www.argusleader.com/article/2...ll|text|Home|s

http://www.argusleader.com/article/2...ll|text|Home|s

On the one hand it is expensive. There is title IX to consider, etc. I know it's mentioned that some sports could possibly get it while others could not. Doesn't that open up some sort of legal issues, eventually?
I think if the Summit wants to raise it's RPI in basketball this is it or at least remain competitive. What if the MVFC approves it but the Summit doesn't? Would that overrule Title IX? I can't see a lot of FCS schools wanting this, but there will be a few that do.

A bunch of OSU players decide to sell some stuff and it looks like we're going to give them more money. I'm calling this the "Pryor Rule".

[CatchEmAll]

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For mid and lower leve schools (including the Dakota's) this could create a recruiting disadvantage (or advantage). If a league approves the measure, either a school comes up with a stipend or not. Let's say offering an additional $2,000 isn't in the budget for a one school, but it is for another. Pretty easy recruiting sell "we'll give you $2,000, they won't".

I do however like their mandate on academics as it relates to the NCAA Basketball Tournament. Get the grades up or be out. ESPN had a story that UConn's men won't be eligible in 2013 under the new guidelines.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/st...-rules-changes
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...g-2013-tourney

[HoboJack]

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How many full scholarships do we give out? I'm assuming Men's & womens basketball are all 'full' so that is 38, but the other 162 or so scholarships are 'equivalent' scholarships and are typically broken amonst multiple students. Would we, or anyone else for that matter, be giving the additional stipend to athletes who are not on 'full' scholarships?

[RabbitObsessed]

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A bunch of OSU players decide to sell some stuff and it looks like we're going to give them more money. I'm calling this the "Pryor Rule".

I think the rule is good. Athletes spend all of their time practicing, traveling, competing and going to class and doing homework. There is hardly any time for a part time job. Some athletes can do it (I know Dale has worked at The 9 for awhile) but it's tough.

And as an aside: I enjoy how the NCAA deems it illegal for the OSU players (and other athletes) to sell their own personal property or signatures but the university can make millions of dollars off of it. Yes, I know they are getting a free education, but good lord is that a ****ty rule.

[Theee Catrabbit]

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How many full scholarships do we give out? I'm assuming Men's & womens basketball are all 'full' so that is 38, but the other 162 or so scholarships are 'equivalent' scholarships and are typically broken amonst multiple students. Would we, or anyone else for that matter, be giving the additional stipend to athletes who are not on 'full' scholarships?

It does not say you have to give the maximum, so i could see coaches giving 1/2 stipends or whatever. My assumption should the Summit actually adopt this, our coaches may be given a "bank" and can spend that bank as they see fit. I see a lot of problems with that, but I guess players are very accepting of being on half scholarship etc, so they may not be turned off if they get a half stipend while another individual receives a full stipend. I think if the Summit does adopt this that State has no choice but to do something in order to keep the recruiting field as level as we can. Chances are we can even improve our team in recruiting if the Summit adopts this policy, State follows through with it, and other Midmajors do not.

[slosho]

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Within 5 years everybody will have to of adopted this or the will not be as competitive as they want to be. This is essentially a mandate. if you don't you'll be left behind. Is the NCAA going to pony up the extra cash? hell no. This is just a way to appease the big boys while helping to keep their players out if trouble. As much as the free education is a great deal. The amount of money that the FBS level teams make is absurd when compared to what the players get in turn.

[joeybrownerHOF]

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I don't know the scholarship numbers for the non football playing Summit schools but I would think it would be easier, or shall I say less total stipend money needed for their revenue sports, than the non football playing schools?

[zooropa]

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How many full scholarships do we give out? I'm assuming Men's & womens basketball are all 'full' so that is 38, but the other 162 or so scholarships are 'equivalent' scholarships and are typically broken amonst multiple students. Would we, or anyone else for that matter, be giving the additional stipend to athletes who are not on 'full' scholarships?

If all SDSU's sports are fully funded, they have about 230 scholarships/equivalents to offer.

A couple interesting notes from the official press release (http://www.ncaa.com/news/ncaa/articl...kage-proposals )

1 - A school can't award money in excess of the estimated out of pocket expenses. For instance, if SDSU's estimated out of pocket expenses are $1,500, SDSU can only offer $1,500, they can't offer $2k. OTOH, at a school where the OOP is over $2k, the most you can pay is $2k. This may help SDSU out..

2 - You don't have access to any part of the $2k/OOP allowance if you're on a partial scholarship.

3 - I had thought that the NCAA had backed off the 930 requirement, by allowing schools with a 4 year trailing average of 900 in, but that's just the two year transition requirement. 930 or 940 over the last two years is the new standard.

[HoboJack]

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If all SDSU's sports are fully funded, they have about 230 scholarships/equivalents to offer.

A couple interesting notes from the official press release (http://www.ncaa.com/news/ncaa/articl...kage-proposals )

1 - A school can't award money in excess of the estimated out of pocket expenses. For instance, if SDSU's estimated out of pocket expenses are $1,500, SDSU can only offer $1,500, they can't offer $2k. OTOH, at a school where the OOP is over $2k, the most you can pay is $2k. This may help SDSU out..

2 - You don't have access to any part of the $2k/OOP allowance if you're on a partial scholarship.

Just guessing here by I would guess that no more than 100 of our total scholarship #'s are 'full' scholarships, in which case the maximum budget impact is $200K. If they are going to use Cost of Living index to assess the 'estimated OOP expense', I would guess SDSU/Brookings would be limited to around a $1000 max stipend. $100k is an impact on our budget, but may not be that big of a hurdle IMO.

[zooropa]

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Just guessing here by I would guess that no more than 100 of our total scholarship #'s are 'full' scholarships, in which case the maximum budget impact is $200K. If they are going to use Cost of Living index to assess the 'estimated OOP expense', I would guess SDSU/Brookings would be limited to around a $1000 max stipend. $100k is an impact on our budget, but may not be that big of a hurdle IMO.

It's possible; SDSU's only equivalency sports are MBB, WBB, VB and Women's tennis.

Of course Sell estimated impact at $400k in today's paper.

[BTownJack]

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It's possible; SDSU's only equivalency sports are MBB, WBB, VB and Women's tennis.

Of course Sell estimated impact at $400k in today's paper.

Your correct on the sports here but wrong on the terminology.

MBB, WBB, VB and Women's Tennis are "Head-Count" sports (FBS footall and W. Gymnastics also includeded) - meaning that if you offer someone $100 or a full scholarship it is one of your alloted scholarships.

Equivalency sports (all other sports) can divide their scholarships up however they see fit. Women's softball for example has a max of 12 scholarships and is an equivalency sport. So they could give out 12 full-rides, 24 half-rides, 48 quarter-rides or anything in between. Some sports has limitations on how much you can divide your sholarships. FCS football can only have a total of 85 guys on athletic aid, baseball can only have 27 guys on athletic aid and each scholarship must be at least 25%.

Splitting hairs here a bit but I just wanted to make sure everyone understands the difference.

[zooropa]

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Splitting hairs here a bit but I just wanted to make sure everyone understands the difference.

Thanks for catching that. I'd edited it a couple times before posting it and missed the mistake.

[RabbitObsessed]

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A really great article about the stipends and the state of the NCAA: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/...nning-end-ncaa

[Prairiehaas]

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Interesting. I've thought for awhile the only way out for the NCAA is to share equitably, with all participating schools, the revenue generated from TV and other marketing. As we see now the disparity resulting from contracts like the Longhorn Network is tearing apart conference affiliations. I think the new rule allowing stipends will just widen the disparities between schools in the NCAA.