USD to allow booze in dorms

[LakeJack]

http://www.keloland.com/News/NewsDet....cfm?Id=127402

[jackbusiness09]

Re: USD to allow booze in dorms

I agree with the last kid in Brady's interview, it's a tactic to get more students to live in their overpriced on-campus option.

Is it possible to find dorm occupancy rates of specific halls online?

[RabbitObsessed]

Re: USD to allow booze in dorms

It makes sense. Most students, legal and not legal, bring booze into the dorms anyway. Now it won't punish students that are actually old enough to imbibe.

[Nidaros]

Re: USD to allow booze in dorms

It makes sense. Most students, legal and not legal, bring booze into the dorms anyway. Now it won't punish students that are actually old enough to imbibe.

Oh boy, I find myself agreeing with RO. Since this is allowed in what would be consider upperclassman housing, it does make sense. Those over 21 like everyone else have to act responsible manner in consuming these breveages. I would think SDSU would follow in allowing beverages in similar housing. I not sure of the names, but we have put up some similar housing. Here is one time we have to follow the leader USD. EEH GADS.

[jackmd]

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Oh boy, I find myself agreeing with RO. Since this is allowed in what would be consider upperclassman housing, it does make sense. Those over 21 like everyone else have to act responsible manner in consuming these breveages. I would think SDSU would follow in allowing beverages in similar housing. I not sure of the names, but we have put up some similar housing. Here is one time we have to follow the leader USD. EEH GADS.

Didn't read the article so I don't know but my understanding is that SDSU is having no problems filling their dorms. USD is having significant problems filling the units at coyote village. Perhaps I misheard.

[jackrabbit1979]

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Coyote Village houses freshmen through upperclassmen. So, I would assume, this new policy will have to be enforced "across the hall" or "around the corner" from 18-19 year old students living there as well. Trying to enforce this new policy in a mixed age envrionment like they will have could be a logistical nightmare.

[Prairiehaas]

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Was there a law change to allow alcohol on campus again? Or was the ban just a BoR policy?

[Nidaros]

Re: USD to allow booze in dorms

Was there a law change to allow alcohol on campus again? Or was the ban just a BoR policy?

Good questions that I dont have answers for. I do retract my previous comment, not knowing that Coyote Village included underage students. I agree with Jack1979 enforcement might be a logistic nightmare.

[Yote53]

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When the Coyote Village first went up there were vacancy issues, those have since been resolved and they are at capacity. I know they have been resolved since they had scheduled to close down and demolish Julian Hall but have since had to bring it back online due to the great demand for student housing. Coyote Village II will soon be constructed right next to Coyote Village I in order to meet the increased number of students requiring housing.

As for alcohol on campus, just open these campuses up and make them wet again. In fact, just lower the drinking age to 19 statewide. It is a nightmare for college administrators to deal with two seperate groups of students on campus who have two differnet sets of laws apply to them. We give 18 yr olds the right to vote, have a job/career, start a family, enter into legal contracts to buy a house, car, or credit card, tried as an adult in the court of law, and enlist in the military to go and serve (give their life) for our country. All of these greater responsibilities than the decision to drink some alcohol. We need to start treating them as adults across the board.

[Nidaros]

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When the Coyote Village first went up there were vacancy issues, those have since been resolved and they are at capacity. I know they have been resolved since they had scheduled to close down and demolish Julian Hall but have since had to bring it back online due to the great demand for student housing. Coyote Village II will soon be constructed right next to Coyote Village I in order to meet the increased number of students requiring housing.

As for alcohol on campus, just open these campuses up and make them wet again. In fact, just lower the drinking age to 19 statewide. It is a nightmare for college administrators to deal with two seperate groups of students on campus who have two differnet sets of laws apply to them. We give 18 yr olds the right to vote, have a job/career, start a family, enter into legal contracts to buy a house, car, or credit card, tried as an adult in the court of law, and enlist in the military to go and serve (give their life) for our country. All of these greater responsibilities than the decision to drink some alcohol. We need to start treating them as adults across the board.

I believe the reason SD raised age to 21, not sure of the year, but I vaguely recall Fed DOT money was tied to raising the age to 21. Lowering it again may not be as easy. I agree its tough on adminstrators, bar tenders, police and anyone else who is involved in the sale and consumption on beverages, but I dont think much will happen.

I see some nut from New Jersey put a big scare in the Coyote community. You dont need that.

BTW my brother attended USD 1951-52 and stayed one semester in Julian Hall and then move off campus. They had different rules back then. I have not talked to him but I suspect that he would not be too disappointed if Julian made or did not make the wrecker ball. Student housing seems to be a real tough area to guess and come out correctly nowdays.

[joeboo22]

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So does this mean that SDSU will be able to sell alcohol at sporting events (in certain locations of course)? I don't have a problem with this but I think its a slippery slope, my understanding was it was a state BOR law saying campuses had to be dry. I do think that having dorms where freshman and law students stay could cause problems as well.

I understand it somewhat at USD because of the law school and med school I'm guessing they have a large number of out of area students living on campus who are well above the drinking age. But I just feel that if you are going to open it to 1 school for 1 reason they all should be openned for all reasons.

[Prairiehaas]

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I know for certain the sale of alcohol on campus is forbidden by state law. I understand the ban on possession and consumption on campus was a BoR policy that was recently changed. I was on campus & living in a dorm in the late '70's when the ban was put in place. There was good resaon for that ban. Underage drinking in the dorms was rampant at that time.

[joeboo22]

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call me a capitalist but I think the only way alcohol should be allowed onto college campuses is if the colleges are selling it. You are going to get the problems either way, why not make some money in the process. At the end of the day it comes down to money. If SDSU had the Budweiser Beer section at football and basketball games and even baseball games I can see the money making opportunities already.

[Prairiehaas]

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Yes it would be a money making opportunity. But the headaches in terms of security, underage consumption and crowd control really reduce the glint of that gold. Like I said, I was on campus in the '70's when alcohol was banned. I remember the bottle drop on the back stairs in the Complex at the U and the Kramer Kegger at NSC. Bad scenes. In addition, I'm thinking SDSU does not want the Party-U reputation. There are many parents that are very sensitive to that kind of reputation.

[joeboo22]

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I agree with the headaches. I just thought that having a section/area at the football/basketball games where only those 21 and older could get in, and selling it would be much easier then figuring out who is 21 and who isn't in a dorm facility.

Are you sure about state law saying you can't sell it on campus? The School of Mines had a tailgate area in one of their end zones. (The city might own the field though) And I think, not sure cause I always brought my own, but I think Black Hills State sold beer at their tailgates as well.

Its interesting that is for sure. I think its difficult with 21 as the drinking age. I drove by Coyote Village its a huge facility. I just see a ton of supply minors, having parties, etc. Housing a party with minors is a big no no as well in this state.