Trouble in paradise that is nine man officiating, coaches and fans.

[Nidaros]

http://www.brookingsregister.com/v2_...story_id=12473

Seems like we have some emotions running wild. I believe the officals were doing as they were paid to do, but some folks can not accept their decisions and choose to act like spoiled children.

[goon]

Re: Trouble in paradise that is nine man officiating, coaches and fans.

http://www.brookingsregister.com/v2_...story_id=12473

Seems like we have some emotions running wild. I believe the officating was doing as they were paid to do, but some folks can not accept their decisions and choose to act like spoiled children.

Nidaros posting at 4:40 am, make it up in time for morning coffee. Just kidding. I can understand a coach getting upset and if he was going to get in trouble might as well get his moneys worth. I don't think its ok though. As far as I know shep is a pretty intense guy and coach. To bad the fans took it as far as they did. That bothers me more then the coach.

Often being a ref is a thankless job. However refs often will put themselves into a game and factor into the decision and outcomes. IE summit league refs imo have done that a time or two.

[Nidaros]

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Nidaros posting at 4:40 am, make it up in time for morning coffee. Just kidding. I can understand a coach getting upset and if he was going to get in trouble might as well get his moneys worth. I don't think its ok though. As far as I know shep is a pretty intense guy and coach. To bad the fans took it as far as they did. That bothers me more then the coach.

Often being a ref is a thankless job. However refs often will put themselves into a game and factor into the decision and outcomes. IE summit league refs imo have done that a time or two.

I did hear about it at coffee only at the other end of the table and did not hear everything said. Rather than take Adolf Shepardson apart, I am surprised he is now at Duebrook and was at Sturgis, a major step down. Apparently his intensity got him in trouble out the Hills. Shep as you referred him was the only other SDSU poster on the D2FOOTBALL and he spoke very highly of his own Jacks and often gotten taken to task for stating his opinions. SDSU did not get much respect on the D2football board dominated by MIAA Fans.

I agree the fans really got carried away on this. Shep made a mistake, but he did not cause the officals to nearly get lynched in the parking lot. The players mean time shook hands and did not get bent out of shape whether they lost or won. After all the game was about them and not the fans.

I will say this though, we sure could use some of the intensity of Adoph Shepardson this year on the SDSU team. Shep made some big plays as WR or was it TE. At any rate he was a darn good player for SDSU. I hope he tones down the intensity and coaches for a long time. He has the skills, including a grad assistantship at USD.

[Theee Catrabbit]

Re: Trouble in paradise that is nine man officiating, coaches and fans.

Coaches get warned, coaches get flagged.

The parents and grandparents(really?) need some help. Of course the headline does read Deubrook, so........

[BS90Jack]

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I was at the game. It was a pretty hard faught game by both teams. Shepardson was off the hook the rest of the night following the early penalty on his bench from what I could see. I would have wanted better from a coach if my son was one of the Duebrook players. I hope that he can separate his intensity from agression towards his players and others. He incited the fans by going out on the field following the game and taking issue with the referees. The fans fed off of his words and actions and it quickly got out of control. This is an issue for the Duebrook school district to handle and I am sure they will take care of this promptly.

[Nidaros]

Re: Trouble in paradise that is nine man officiating, coaches and fans.

I was at the game. It was a pretty hard faught game by both teams. Shepardson was off the hook the rest of the night following the early penalty on his bench from what I could see. I would have wanted better from a coach if my son was one of the Duebrook players. I hope that he can separate his intensity from agression towards his players and others. He incited the fans by going out on the field following the game and taking issue with the referees. The fans fed off of his words and actions and it quickly got out of control. This is an issue for the Duebrook school district to handle and I am sure they will take care of this promptly.

Thanks and I don't doubt anything you have said here. Not a good example to set and if this happens again, Shep will find himself in a different career field.

[JimmyJack]

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I am developing a theory that I think explains a lot of the stupid stuff that happens in the world. People have no sense of scale. They treat a high school football game like it's the Super Bowl. They imagine that solving the budget deficit will only require ending foreign aid (it's 1 percent). They assume that you don't need a master's degree to be a superintendent (Argus story this weekend). Generally speaking, a large number of people have absolutely no sense of the complexity of the world or the relative insignificance of their small place in it. Worse... they don't want to know. As the world becomes more complex, they seek ever simpler answers and narrower contexts rather than exercising their brains trying to grasp the bigger picture. Thus, they overemphasize the importance of something trivial like a referees call in a football game in a tiny town in the middle of the country.

[Prairiehaas]

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Well put JimmyJack. This example is one of the reasons it is getting harder to find good officiating. Too often the enjoyment of a game is diminished by some loud mouth that hasn't engaged the brain bashing the officiating, the coaching, the players. It happens at high school and at college games.

What happened at this game went way over the line. Perhaps one way to stop it from going this far again is to end the season for that school. I think the adults would get the message.

[MikeHenriksen]

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Well put JimmyJack. I would have just said people are getting dumber and more self-absorbed.

[JackJD]

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I am developing a theory that I think explains a lot of the stupid stuff that happens in the world. People have no sense of scale. They treat a high school football game like it's the Super Bowl. They imagine that solving the budget deficit will only require ending foreign aid (it's 1 percent). They assume that you don't need a master's degree to be a superintendent (Argus story this weekend). Generally speaking, a large number of people have absolutely no sense of the complexity of the world or the relative insignificance of their small place in it. Worse... they don't want to know. As the world becomes more complex, they seek ever simpler answers and narrower contexts rather than exercising their brains trying to grasp the bigger picture. Thus, they overemphasize the importance of something trivial like a referees call in a football game in a tiny town in the middle of the country.

I think you're over-simplifying things.

[Nidaros]

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I think you're over-simplifying things.

Naw with all the new technology, we seem to be moving to a more simpleton age, where critcal skills mean nothing and the thirst for instant results is ever demanding. The only thing I might add to JJ's post is that the Colman-Egan prinicpal might have thought a degree in martial arts would have been more handy then his Master of Education in dealing with the Duebrook fans. I do get the bigger picture and trying to daily understand the fluctuations in value of my IRA is often mind boggling. We seem to be a long ways away from Greece, but what happens there impacts my IRA which is housed somewhere in Kansas City.

[GopherHole]

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Been there, done that...

As a rabid fan when I was young, nothing was easier and still fun then yelling at the refs. As a 20+ year high school official, I've thrown the flags at the coaches because sometimes that is the only way to get their attention. However, it didn't take long to find out that it is easier to officiate when you work with the coaches by communicating with them early in the contest and often. One of the tools of communicating is the flag and the beauty of the first flag thrown on a sideline for coaches leaving their coaches box is it is a warning. Flag gets thrown, referee signals the foul, no yardage is administered, and the coaches know the limits. The second and subsequent flags for a sideline warning gets a yardage penalty. Now if it was an unsportsmanlike foul or if the coaches actually interfere with the official during a live ball play, then the coach is assessed a yardage penalty. Again, communicating with the coaches early minimizes these fouls and I've only thrown a couple of unsportsmanlike flags on coaches over the years. There is no joy in throwing those flags as stress levels for everyone involved on the sideline is high. I have thrown a handful of sideline warning flags and communication between the coaches and the wing officials improves significantly.

Coaches have a huge impact on not only the success and passion of the team, but the crowd as well. Without passion and intensity, it is just not football. However, some coaches have a habit of pushing the limits with officials and the crowds definitely feed off of that. Sometimes long after the clock runs out. I've also known a couple of officials who believe that throwing unsportsmanlike flags are like merit badges for boy scouts. In both cases it is not good for the game, nor the positive impact that competitive sports has on developing young men and women.

I love officiating and seeing kids develop from their early youth until they've matured and grown into outstanding leaders and role players. Fortunately, events like what happened in Colman are the exception and not the rule.

[Nidaros]

Re: Trouble in paradise that is nine man officiating, coaches and fans.

Been there, done that...

As a rabid fan when I was young, nothing was easier and still fun then yelling at the refs. As a 20+ year high school official, I've thrown the flags at the coaches because sometimes that is the only way to get their attention. However, it didn't take long to find out that it is easier to officiate when you work with the coaches by communicating with them early in the contest and often. One of the tools of communicating is the flag and the beauty of the first flag thrown on a sideline for coaches leaving their coaches box is it is a warning. Flag gets thrown, referee signals the foul, no yardage is administered, and the coaches know the limits. The second and subsequent flags for a sideline warning gets a yardage penalty. Now if it was an unsportsmanlike foul or if the coaches actually interfere with the official during a live ball play, then the coach is assessed a yardage penalty. Again, communicating with the coaches early minimizes these fouls and I've only thrown a couple of unsportsmanlike flags on coaches over the years. There is no joy in throwing those flags as stress levels for everyone involved on the sideline is high. I have thrown a handful of sideline warning flags and communication between the coaches and the wing officials improves significantly.

Coaches have a huge impact on not only the success and passion of the team, but the crowd as well. Without passion and intensity, it is just not football. However, some coaches have a habit of pushing the limits with officials and the crowds definitely feed off of that. Sometimes long after the clock runs out. I've also known a couple of officials who believe that throwing unsportsmanlike flags are like merit badges for boy scouts. In both cases it is not good for the game, nor the positive impact that competitive sports has on developing young men and women.

I love officiating and seeing kids develop from their early youth until they've matured and grown into outstanding leaders and role players. Fortunately, events like what happened in Colman are the exception and not the rule.

Thanks for your take on this incident. Indeed its the exception and not the rule. Maybe the parent who will miss the rest of the home season already regrets his actions when his emotions were running wild.

[RowdyRabbit]

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Well put JimmyJack. I would have just said people are getting dumber and more self-absorbed.

Hehe...likewise.

[MaddogJack]

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It looks like the Colman Egan school board has spoken.

http://www.brookingsregister.com/v2_...story_id=12535