SDHSAA Considering More Football Classes - 11AAA

[Nidaros]

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propar: who would you suggest places like Harding County and Faith co-op with? 9 man can't go away entirely, but there can certainly be a lot of consolidation.

If they continue to find oil in Harding county, they may be able to move to 11AA.

[propar80]

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propar: who would you suggest places like Harding County and Faith co-op with? 9 man can't go away entirely, but there can certainly be a lot of consolidation.

You just can't keep it for a few teams/towns...sorry...it just wouldn't work that way. They'd have to figure it out...if they want football, they will. If you keep one class of nine-man all the nine-man teams will want into it and never change.
Sometimes change must be forced...IMO this is one of those times. But because Pierre is run mostly by small-minded people, it will remain status quo I'm afraid. No one wants to the be the "bad guy" and everyone wants everyone to win and feel good about themselves, ex. 11-AAA. No town wants their school to close at the expense of their child's education...I've heard all of these from people very close to me. IMO, they're wrong and deep down where they don't want to go, they know it.

Go Jacks!!

[BTownJack]

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Yesterday on "Calling All Sports" football coach Joe Kramer of Pierre said he thinks the cycle is over and has now become a trend that is not going back.

Don't get me wrong. There are so many things wrong with this proposal I don't even know where to start. Mostly I always thought that sports was about the lessons they can teach rather than championships. However, I wanted to share the thoughts of someone who is right in the middle of it. It was interesting to hear his perspective.

I went back and listed to the first half of your show from Tuesday. Joe Kramer of Pierre believes the cycle is over, O'Gorman's head football coach and AD doesn't like the proposal. You can all listen to the two differing points of view here:

http://www.callingallsportssd.com/_D...10-12-07-1.mp3

[West-River_Jack]

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I heard some discussion about the 11AAA idea back before this fall's football playoffs. The rationale that was mentioned then was that in all of the divisions other than 11AA the largest school is no more than 140% the size of the smallest school whereas the largest 11AA school is over 250% of the size of the smallest 11AA school. I cannot vouch for those numbers, but an interested reader could probably check them out, perhaps at the SDHSAA web site.

My greater concern, as a Black Hills area 11AA fan, is who the Black Hills schools will play when the Greater Dakota Conference dissolves in another year or two. Out of state contests are not a viable option in either football or basketball because of existing alignments in the neighboring states. Quite frankly, eliminating football might be the only realistic option if the other 11AA schools don't want to play nice and do a little travelling.

[joeboo22]

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I don't like getting rid of 9 man football, a lot of towns/schools support 9man fine, and though I'm with you on the needs for many of these schools to start looking at co-ops, generally forcing those things down peoples throats doesn't work the greatest. However I think they should be eliminating classes not adding them. I'd go 2 9 man 2 11 man. I don't care bout school size. Spearfish is the smallest 11AA school, they are horrible now and they'd lose to half of the 11A and 11B schools also. And they won a state title in 2003. Yankton has a good program and I doubt the reason they are struggling is because of numbers, because when I was in high school they had back ups that would be stars for us and we were respectable 11B. Does being bigger help? yes, no doubt but don't tell me the reason Spearfish isn't good is because its smaller. RC Central has the largest school in the state and though they have improved recently they had a number of years of being very bad. At the same point there are 9B teams that could beat 11A teams, probably a 9B team out there that could beat Spearfish or Douglas.

[MikeHenriksen]

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More details and opinions from the Argus today:

http://www.argusleader.com/article/2...04/1002/sports

[valleyrabbit]

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I also grew up in a small town (graduated with 26) and played nine man. How about 2 11 man classes and 1 nine man class? You know kind of like basketball, track and volleyball are broken down with 3 classes. Why does football with fewer teams total in the state have twice the classes as basketball, track and volleyball?

[JackJD]

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More details and opinions from the Argus today:

http://www.argusleader.com/article/2...04/1002/sports

It appears a memo from the Brookings Athletic Director may have stirred up questions about adding another class to football. Whitney writes “In the memo, Berseth mentions that the SDHSAA could be vulnerable to a lawsuit if the existing scheduling system continues.”

Good reporting by Whitney – I’m not critical of Whitney and I thought his reporting was very interesting.

I am critical of Berseth: at what law school did he get his law degree? Berseth should take some courses on how our legal system actually works.

Dumb. Just dumb.

Look, as others have pointed out, is this the problem: Somebody's kid didn't get a blue ribbon? So I guess we should water things down more until everyone can claim they're a state champion. Which athletic director's or school board member's kid didn't get to stand on a podium? And why stop at football? I think I can make the argument that the size of a school's enrollment has a more dramatic effect on sports such as wrestling, track, cross country, tennis and golf and a few others.

I think I'll watch one of my favorite sports movies, "Hoosiers" about the great one-class basketball championship system in Indiana in days gone by.

[SDSUAlum08]

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It appears a memo from the Brookings Athletic Director may have stirred up questions about adding another class to football. Whitney writes “In the memo, Berseth mentions that the SDHSAA could be vulnerable to a lawsuit if the existing scheduling system continues.”

Good reporting by Whitney – I’m not critical of Whitney and I thought his reporting was very interesting.

I am critical of Berseth: at what law school did he get his law degree? Berseth should take some courses on how our legal system actually works.

Dumb. Just dumb.

Look, as others have pointed out, somebody's kid didn't get a blue ribbon so lets water things down more until everyone can claim they're a state champion. And why stop at football? I think I can make the argument that the size of a school's enrollment has a more dramatic effect on sports such as wrestling, track, cross country, tennis and golf and a few others.

I think I'll watch one of my favorite sports movies, "Hoosiers" about the great one-class basketball championship system in Indiana in days gone by.

I grew up in Minnesota where I had to win 4 or 5 games just to get to State in basketball. It's pathetic that SD (or any other state for that matter) has it set up this way. Kids need to lose more than they need to win. It might actually build a little character.

[Nidaros]

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I am going to repeat myself again. This whole issue reminds me of a senior group that I attend. Once in a while we play bingo. We keep playing until everyone wins and collects one dollar out of the treasury. When you get to my age and older you have taken more than your share of lumps along the way and for everyone to win, before we leave this earth is a good thing, but football championships for every school? Not sure about that.

[joeboo22]

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It appears Sioux Falls needs to open another high school and Rapid City has to do a better job of splitting the enrollment up, or open another high school. If you do that, you pretty much fix the problem.

[propar80]

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It appears Sioux Falls needs to open another high school and Rapid City has to do a better job of splitting the enrollment up, or open another high school. If you do that, you pretty much fix the problem.

??? How does this "fix" the problem. IMO there would be even more reason to consider the 11 AAA proposal.

Go Jacks!!

[filbert]

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It appears Sioux Falls needs to open another high school and Rapid City has to do a better job of splitting the enrollment up, or open another high school. If you do that, you pretty much fix the problem.

Actually, I suspect the problem is rather on the other end of the list of school districts . . .

Too many, too small districts.

Too few people, too big a state.

How many classes do states that look most like SD have? ND? Montana? Wyoming?

[FargoBison]

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For ND..

Football: 9 man, A, AA, and AAA
Everything else: A and B

[BTownJack]

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For ND..

Football: 9 man, A, AA, and AAA
Everything else: A and B

And what is the general thought in ND regarding how many FB classes you have? Just right, too many or not enough?