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    the Summit league needs to be relevant with what it has to work with. Adding a school from a metro area isn't going to change how the summit league is viewed. winning games in the men's and women's NCAA tourney are what it will take. If we can get a core of school committed to that, and if Augie has the backing to try it that's fine. UMKC came back to the league, I can only imagine how little impact that made in the KC marketplace. We are not going to get schools from the Horizon to join us or MVC.....(I think UNI would only consider it if they have major financial issues and switching to the summit would save money for them). Which in that case having a smaller footprint to keep travel costs down would be a benefit to the league. Maybe Centenary wants to come back so we can spread the conference footprint more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goon View Post
    the Summit league needs to be relevant with what it has to work with. Adding a school from a metro area isn't going to change how the summit league is viewed. winning games in the men's and women's NCAA tourney are what it will take. If we can get a core of school committed to that, and if Augie has the backing to try it that's fine. UMKC came back to the league, I can only imagine how little impact that made in the KC marketplace. We are not going to get schools from the Horizon to join us or MVC.....(I think UNI would only consider it if they have major financial issues and switching to the summit would save money for them). Which in that case having a smaller footprint to keep travel costs down would be a benefit to the league. Maybe Centenary wants to come back so we can spread the conference footprint more.
    I daresay that a D-I St. Thomas would make an infinitely larger splash in the Twin Cities than UMKC could possibly do in KC (short of beating KU & K-State and going to the NCAA Sweet Sixteen all in one season). St. Thomas would be mainly competing with the U of M, the hockey schools, and Wisconsin, and a fairly saturated pro sports market in the Cities. UMKC is trying to compete in KC using men's basketball, and they're up against the University of Kansas and to a somewhat lesser extent Mizzou and K-State. (I've often thought that UMKC should institute baseball or even FCS football if they're really interested in raising their standing in the KC sports market.)

    And a thought that came to me was that the Sanford pot of gold could in part be used to buy the Summit League into a much better TV/media configuration than the current Midco Sports Net/ESPN3.
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    Quote Originally Posted by filbert View Post
    I daresay that a D-I St. Thomas would make an infinitely larger splash in the Twin Cities than UMKC could possibly do in KC (short of beating KU & K-State and going to the NCAA Sweet Sixteen all in one season). St. Thomas would be mainly competing with the U of M, the hockey schools, and Wisconsin, and a fairly saturated pro sports market in the Cities. UMKC is trying to compete in KC using men's basketball, and they're up against the University of Kansas and to a somewhat lesser extent Mizzou and K-State. (I've often thought that UMKC should institute baseball or even FCS football if they're really interested in raising their standing in the KC sports market.)

    And a thought that came to me was that the Sanford pot of gold could in part be used to buy the Summit League into a much better TV/media configuration than the current Midco Sports Net/ESPN3.
    Call me crazy ("You're Crazy!"), but if St. Thomas goes D-I, could you imagine the possibilities for a D-I intra-cities rivalry with U of M? Not necessarily in Football, but possibly the other sports. That could help build the profile of the League, in addition to having a presence in the Cities.
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    For the record. I think Augie and St. Thomas will both be good additions to the conference and if it adds a few more area schools and becomes the rebirth of the NCC that's great too....

    But...

    About twenty years ago, St. Charles County built the Family Arena (a bit gloomy for a newer venue but holds over ten thousand for basketball)-- at the time, since the county executive was a hesitant partner there was talk of selling or leasing it to Lindenwood, even though LU has a perfectly adequate on campus arena that seats 3300. Lindenwood was making the move to D2 and there was a lot of talk that they'd just keep moving up and become D1.

    Then..

    They got naming rights from SSM Healthcare (slightly larger than Sanford and overlapping another regional health player Mercy. Both run from Oklahoma through St. Louis and up to Illinois and in the case of SSM the Madison area. Both larger totally but definitely seen as second tier to BJC. SSM has the SLU teaching hospital but it's considered pretty second rate compared to Barnes- Wash U.

    The SSM moniker got stuck to the Family Arena for about a week before SSM backed out because spending money on naming rights pissed off people who were having trouble paying their medical bills BIG TIME. Not sure who's heads rolled for coming up with that idea but I'm sure several of 'em were seeking new challenges for pulling that one.

    So, if I was in the Summit I'd be forever grateful for Sanford support. If Sanford the organization is a way for Sanford the man to get a deduction more power to them but, why aren't people with unreimbursed medical bills raising hell about this? Seems strange to an outsider. Maybe it was all explained in the Argus article but I've hit my limit for the month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzled_Jack View Post
    why aren't people with unreimbursed medical bills raising hell about this? Seems strange to an outsider. Maybe it was all explained in the Argus article but I've hit my limit for the month.
    So you're say they should lower their rates instead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slosho View Post
    So you're say they should lower their rates instead?
    Think you're referring medical costs and not pay walls for the Argus. The complaint in St. Charles County (loudly) twenty years ago was "WHY IN HELL ARE YOU CHARGING ME SO MUCH FOR GOING TO THE DOCTOR AND GIVING MY MONEY TO NAME AN ARENA".

    If you were referring to pay walls for the Argus, if that naming happened today, no one would pay attention because the Post Dispatch, since no one pays up, has closed its St. Charles bureau and they wouldn't cover this on TV unless someone got shot at a protest (diagram that run-on sentence).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grizzled_Jack View Post
    Think you're referring medical costs and not pay walls for the Argus. The complaint in St. Charles County (loudly) twenty years ago was "WHY IN HELL ARE YOU CHARGING ME SO MUCH FOR GOING TO THE DOCTOR AND GIVING MY MONEY TO NAME AN ARENA".
    Nope, That's what I was asking, thanks for the clarification.

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