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    Here's my take on things that would make a difference in attendance. Some of these may be seen as excuses, but there's validity to them:

    Dome - Obviously that's not going to happen, so let's acknowledge that it would increase attendance, but move on to things that can be changed.

    Championship - I think we would see a small bump, but tbh, it might have to be a couple to really get sustained buy in.

    Ticket prices - I think we have seen that for November games, the ticket price is not the driving factor.

    Tailgating - This is in the top 2 for me of ways to increase attendance. It can be so much better.

    Alcohol sales - This is just outside the top 2. Whether people believe it or not and like it or not, beer sales would increase attendance. Also, stop tying logic against it to ticket prices.

    Advertising - This is the other one in the top 2. So much more can be done. Hopefully the marketing firm we hired makes a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CappinHard View Post
    Alcohol sales - This is just outside the top 2. Whether people believe it or not and like it or not, beer sales would increase attendance. Also, stop tying logic against it to ticket prices.
    Only insomuch as it creates a better game-day experience for an individual or group.

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    How Colleges Should Prepare for Alcohol Service

    https://www.athleticbusiness.com/col...DAUEaHf0.email
    We...ARE...STATE!
    SOUTH...DAKOTA...STATE!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoJacks View Post
    How Colleges Should Prepare for Alcohol Service

    https://www.athleticbusiness.com/col...DAUEaHf0.email
    Excellent link. I would think our AD is well aware of this service. I think it might be helpful to our staff and UPD.

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    We're not alone with attendance woes. Montana, who historically has very good attendance, is having issues selling tickets to this week's matchup against conference foe #3 Weber State. They are selling 50% off tickets to get people to show up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CappinHard View Post
    We're not alone with attendance woes. Montana, who historically has very good attendance, is having issues selling tickets to this week's matchup against conference foe #3 Weber State. They are selling 50% off tickets to get people to show up.
    Yup, its definitely a trend, and one that I don't understand. Some schools have been able to avoid it, but many have not.

    Personally, I think it boils down to this:

    In South Dakota, we don't have enough fans of the game of football to begin with. Next, of those who are fans of the game, not enough are fans of college football for whatever reason (no local FBS team, no long winning history in the state, etc.) Next, of those who are college football fans, there aren't enough that are excited by FCS football and/or understand it. And by proxy, they don't understand how good SDSU is and our relevance on national stage for our level. They maybe understand that NDSU is great, and if we aren't beating NDSU, we must not be great. Finally, of those few South Dakotans who are College football fans and get how good SDSU is, we still have to fight weather, long weekends, sub PAR gameday atmosphere, tailgate issues, harvest season, and other day to day distractions.

    My point in all that rambling is that there are a lot of things that we can do to improve gameday, tickets, tailgating, etc., but we're fighting an uphill battle and attacking the problem at the wrong end of the funnel. All of those things will help, and will help retain new fans once they experience a good game day. But I think our biggest issue right now is that we have a culture in this state that is flat out not passionate about football, and definitely doesn't care a whole lot about FCS ball. Things like College GameDay help that, but we need to figure out a way to expand our market pool if we want to grow the fan base. Because relying on alums and those who have a connection to SDSU isnt doing it right now.

    I think those ****heads on KWSN kind of sum it up for me. They have a weekly segment dedicated to the Jack's, but they only have a passing idea of what happened in the game, don't know how the final score came to be, and just sound like they couldn't give less of a **** about anything non-power 5 football related. If it isnt Huskers/Hawkeyes/Gophers, it's not worth their time in analyzing. That attitude, and that attitude specifically in Sioux Falls, is what is standing in the way of getting better attendance, imo. How you fight that, I'm not sure. But in my opinion, it starts with getting kids in SF excited about the Jack's, talking about the Jacks at school the next Monday, etc. I would make a hard push to have a presence in every after school sports program you can down there, do ticket give always for local schools, get area high school teams to come to select games for free, organize more watch parties for away games, etc.

    I think the only way this attendance issue gets better is by growing the number of people interested in FCS football in the state. If we do that, there's really only one option for those that want to see a winning product on the field.

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    Notre Dame had the second longest sellout streak (behind Nebraska) and there was talk that streak was in jeopardy this week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UWMandSDSU View Post
    Notre Dame had the second longest sellout streak (behind Nebraska) and there was talk that streak was in jeopardy this week.
    I saw that ESPN article, the Notre Dame AD said this weekend and next weekend are not expected to sell out, attendance and tickets are an issue everywhere right now for sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Tibbs View Post
    Yup, its definitely a trend, and one that I don't understand. Some schools have been able to avoid it, but many have not.

    Personally, I think it boils down to this:

    In South Dakota, we don't have enough fans of the game of football to begin with. Next, of those who are fans of the game, not enough are fans of college football for whatever reason (no local FBS team, no long winning history in the state, etc.) Next, of those who are college football fans, there aren't enough that are excited by FCS football and/or understand it. And by proxy, they don't understand how good SDSU is and our relevance on national stage for our level. They maybe understand that NDSU is great, and if we aren't beating NDSU, we must not be great. Finally, of those few South Dakotans who are College football fans and get how good SDSU is, we still have to fight weather, long weekends, sub PAR gameday atmosphere, tailgate issues, harvest season, and other day to day distractions.

    My point in all that rambling is that there are a lot of things that we can do to improve gameday, tickets, tailgating, etc., but we're fighting an uphill battle and attacking the problem at the wrong end of the funnel. All of those things will help, and will help retain new fans once they experience a good game day. But I think our biggest issue right now is that we have a culture in this state that is flat out not passionate about football, and definitely doesn't care a whole lot about FCS ball. Things like College GameDay help that, but we need to figure out a way to expand our market pool if we want to grow the fan base. Because relying on alums and those who have a connection to SDSU isnt doing it right now.

    I think those ****heads on KWSN kind of sum it up for me. They have a weekly segment dedicated to the Jack's, but they only have a passing idea of what happened in the game, don't know how the final score came to be, and just sound like they couldn't give less of a **** about anything non-power 5 football related. If it isnt Huskers/Hawkeyes/Gophers, it's not worth their time in analyzing. That attitude, and that attitude specifically in Sioux Falls, is what is standing in the way of getting better attendance, imo. How you fight that, I'm not sure. But in my opinion, it starts with getting kids in SF excited about the Jack's, talking about the Jacks at school the next Monday, etc. I would make a hard push to have a presence in every after school sports program you can down there, do ticket give always for local schools, get area high school teams to come to select games for free, organize more watch parties for away games, etc.

    I think the only way this attendance issue gets better is by growing the number of people interested in FCS football in the state. If we do that, there's really only one option for those that want to see a winning product on the field.
    This is spot on here - best post on this thread, hands down. This is the issue we face, not tailgating, weather, opponent, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Tibbs View Post
    Yup, its definitely a trend, and one that I don't understand. Some schools have been able to avoid it, but many have not.

    Personally, I think it boils down to this:

    In South Dakota, we don't have enough fans of the game of football to begin with. Next, of those who are fans of the game, not enough are fans of college football for whatever reason (no local FBS team, no long winning history in the state, etc.) Next, of those who are college football fans, there aren't enough that are excited by FCS football and/or understand it. And by proxy, they don't understand how good SDSU is and our relevance on national stage for our level. They maybe understand that NDSU is great, and if we aren't beating NDSU, we must not be great. Finally, of those few South Dakotans who are College football fans and get how good SDSU is, we still have to fight weather, long weekends, sub PAR gameday atmosphere, tailgate issues, harvest season, and other day to day distractions.

    My point in all that rambling is that there are a lot of things that we can do to improve gameday, tickets, tailgating, etc., but we're fighting an uphill battle and attacking the problem at the wrong end of the funnel. All of those things will help, and will help retain new fans once they experience a good game day. But I think our biggest issue right now is that we have a culture in this state that is flat out not passionate about football, and definitely doesn't care a whole lot about FCS ball. Things like College GameDay help that, but we need to figure out a way to expand our market pool if we want to grow the fan base. Because relying on alums and those who have a connection to SDSU isnt doing it right now.

    I think those ****heads on KWSN kind of sum it up for me. They have a weekly segment dedicated to the Jack's, but they only have a passing idea of what happened in the game, don't know how the final score came to be, and just sound like they couldn't give less of a **** about anything non-power 5 football related. If it isnt Huskers/Hawkeyes/Gophers, it's not worth their time in analyzing. That attitude, and that attitude specifically in Sioux Falls, is what is standing in the way of getting better attendance, imo. How you fight that, I'm not sure. But in my opinion, it starts with getting kids in SF excited about the Jack's, talking about the Jacks at school the next Monday, etc. I would make a hard push to have a presence in every after school sports program you can down there, do ticket give always for local schools, get area high school teams to come to select games for free, organize more watch parties for away games, etc.

    I think the only way this attendance issue gets better is by growing the number of people interested in FCS football in the state. If we do that, there's really only one option for those that want to see a winning product on the field.
    By in large I agree with your post, and have long time ago turned off KWSN and their blather. I am sure our staff are working very hard trying to get things going in Sioux Falls. As I stated in another post, putting efforts and support in attracting SF support seems to be a relatively new concept, that was a big recommendation in the Carr Report which was the study for considering D1 move. Before these events, trying to attract support beyond SDSU Friends and Alums in SF was unheard of. I think Admin thought they could support 18 or 19 sports from following and support from approximately 68 counties rural counties. In the distance past, I sensed that the Admin did not need the "big shots from SF, who ruined the rural hunting by leaving cattle gates open". There seems to be that kind of rural attitude today but maybe not as much as there once was. I think AD Sell has a big task ahead of him with the alcohol issue. It really needs to be implemented carefully and since this is what society wants, then the SDSU has no choice but to follow. Another n poster commented and shared a link, that there is this organization that specializes in alcohol impairment. I think it would be a good investment. Some of our very proud tailgaters, who might be dealing with an alcohol problem will have more that the UPD to deal with. An other set of impartial eyes. Our game day experience should be a good one with good clean fun, and not a kegger atmosphere. I enjoy your posts, they are thoughtful and informative.

    The bottom line is that our decisions made 30 or 40 years ago impact today. Perhaps this why we struggle with a growing fan base.
    Last edited by Nidaros; 11-20-2019 at 02:47 PM.

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