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    Quote Originally Posted by filbert View Post
    Presented here, an Official Filbert Rant:

    In all honesty, I remain convinced that somebody like Concordia-St. Paul would be a much, much, much better Summit League D-II move-up candidate than Augustana would be. I could see Douple talking to C-SP. I don't see the benefit to the Summit League in even talking to Augie. ... -I
    /end rant
    You make excellent points throughout your rant. The vision of the Sioux Falls media stops at about the first tier of neighboring towns. And four days in March - the Summit League basketball tournament - has become the be-all, end-all for some in the Sioux Falls media and for a few Augie and community boosters. Member schools have got to have much greater vision than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SF_Rabbit_Fan View Post
    I think it is mildly funny that people look at Creighton's enrollment as an argument against Augie moving DI. Creighton didn't always have 8300 students...
    No they did not. To use them as a model might be a mistake. Sioux Falls, though growing is long way from a million people. I am going beginning to think Augustana should study Centunary. What worked and what failed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nidaros View Post
    No they did not. To use them as a model might be a mistake. Sioux Falls, though growing is long way from a million people. I am going beginning to think Augustana should study Centunary. What worked and what failed.
    Don't disagree. However, I'm old enough to remember Creighton fighting tooth and nail to capture a basketball audience in the state of Nebraska. Creighton has more than tripled their basketball attendance in the last 20 years. If Augie could do the same in the next 20 years the Premier Center wouldn't hold their crowds.

    Centenary is in Shreveport, which is a terrible comparison to Sioux Falls in almost every way except the number of warm bodies within the city limits.
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    I have no idea how feasible this would be for Augustana. If they do it, it could wind up being a huge mistake.

    But... I happen to think the smoke here is caused by some fire. And I think the new President and new AD are going to certainly try to move up.

    I'm not sure when. It might be 5 years? I have no clue. But it sure seems like it's a possibility.

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    There isn't really another private DI west of the Mississippi that I can think of that fits Augie's profile. Gonzaga, with 7k students (5k undergrads) in the Spokane metro of 500-700k (depending on how you qualify metro), would probably be the closest. University of Portland has 3.5k students in a metro of 2.3 million. University of Seattle has about 4.5k undergrads, in a metro of 3.3 million. Each of those three has an endowment between 140 and 210 million.

    Abilene Christian University in Abilene, TX has about 3.7k undergrad students, but an endowment of 380 million. The metro area is about 165k.

    Bradley, in Peoria, IL, has 4.4k students in a metro of 373k. They have an endowment of about 380 million.

    I won't go into the schools back east or on the California coast, because that is not a good comparison to the demographics and population density of the midwest/west.

    Point being, Augie is likely to be at least 3 times smaller than any other private in the western half of the US, currently has an endowment about 1/3rd (or more) of those schools, in a metro that is smaller than all of the above (except ACU). Even with the alleged 100 million gift, it places them at the bottom of that list in endowment, and they're still dealing with an enrollment of 1600. Even if enrollment were to boom as a result of moving D1, it isn't going to double. And if it did, that would create a huge cost with adding the needed infastructure to support 1600 more students.

    There just isn't a comparable school to look at with this potential move up that has similar endowment, in a similar metro, with a comparable number of students.

    I think the Sioux Falls media hyping this move up may be a product of their ignorance of the national college athletic landscape. The context of this move in a regional or national sense is being ignored or overlooked by the media promoting it.
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    What would happen if people stopped speculating on Augie moving to D-1? I'm willing to bet you'd hear crickets and notice that no one with authority at Augie is claiming Augie will move to D-1. But, I don't want people to stop speculating about Augie going to D-1 because it appears from recent developments in this thread that the next group to get bashed are us track and field fans. The only sports are those with balls? That's the start of a lot of bad jokes!. Tell that to our wrestlers: you won't have any arms left to bounce or throw those balls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackJD View Post
    What would happen if people stopped speculating on Augie moving to D-1? I'm willing to bet you'd hear crickets and notice that no one with authority at Augie is claiming Augie will move to D-1. But, I don't want people to stop speculating about Augie going to D-1 because it appears from recent developments in this thread that the next group to get bashed are us track and field fans. The only sports are those with balls? That's the start of a lot of bad jokes!. Tell that to our wrestlers: you won't have any arms left to bounce or throw those balls.
    We haven't mentioned golf or rodeo yet. I once saw a bumper sticker that said something to the effect that the main difference between the two is that it only takes one ball to play golf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by West-River_Jack View Post
    We haven't mentioned golf or rodeo yet. I once saw a bumper sticker that said something to the effect that the main difference between the two is that it only takes one ball to play golf.
    Good point! Augie should get a waiver to move up in only golf, bull riding and shot put. Four balls for three sports. They could handle that.

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    Conference politics have been mentioned, but have not really been discussed head on. What would happen if before a meeting of the conference governing board two (or more) schools that don't have the word Dakota in their name whispered to everyone in the hall before entering the meeting room that they really don't dislike the Dakotas, but if they have to make another trip here every year that it will be time to look elsewhere for a conference home? Would admitting Augie even come up for discussion? Would the I-90 schools take one new member and alienate two? If those members actually followed through and left for other pastures, would that kill the Summit's chances for future expansion into areas to the east, south, and southwest of the Dakotas?

    What if the two South Dakota schools whisper that they don't need more D-I competition for the few athletes and sponsorship dollars in South Dakota and would gladly form a pact to seek membership in another conference together? Would the discussion of whether or not to invite Augie to the Summit even come up at that meeting.

    I believe that Augustana University should be in control of its own destiny. However, maybe there are reasons unknown to us, and perhaps forever unspoken, that will prevent the Summit governing board from putting the addition of Augustana on the agenda. Maybe the title of this thread should be Augie to the WAC?
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    Quote Originally Posted by West-River_Jack View Post
    Conference politics have been mentioned, but have not really been discussed head on. What would happen if before a meeting of the conference governing board two (or more) schools that don't have the word Dakota in their name whispered to everyone in the hall before entering the meeting room that they really don't dislike the Dakotas, but if they have to make another trip here every year that it will be time to look elsewhere for a conference home? Would admitting Augie even come up for discussion? Would the I-90 schools take one new member and alienate two? If those members actually followed through and left for other pastures, would that kill the Summit's chances for future expansion into areas to the east, south, and southwest of the Dakotas?

    What if the two South Dakota schools whisper that they don't need more D-I competition for the few athletes and sponsorship dollars in South Dakota and would gladly form a pact to seek membership in another conference together? Would the discussion of whether or not to invite Augie to the Summit even come up at that meeting.

    I believe that Augustana University should be in control of its own destiny. However, maybe there are reasons unknown to us, and perhaps forever unspoken, that will prevent the Summit governing board from putting the addition of Augustana on the agenda. Maybe the title of this thread should be Augie to the WAC?
    I find it interesting that so many Sioux Falls media, and those who want Augustana to move up (even some of our own fans) think Augie is a shoe in for Summit membership if they choose to move up. I'm not sure that is true. I can think of a number of schools who would likely vote against the addition. Beginning with DU and ending with WIU and ORU.

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