Fred Oien article

[joeybrownerHOF]

Re: Fred Oien article

Nidardos.

I respect your enthusiasm for SDSU and the affection exhibited for your friend, Dr. Oien. We would all be so lucky to have an ally like yourself. However, in my personal opinion, the continious rants about Stu and Jack Doyle defeat your purpose. I think it is unamiounious that all believe (SDSU fans and USD fans) that this was a non-story done in poor taste. I believe it would be best for your health to head the following.

1) Take a deep breath and step away from the computer for an hour or two.
2) Do not let Stu invade your mind
3) Realize the story was written by the AL for other reasons.
4) The personal issues of Dr. Oien were already well known by about everyone in the state
5) SDSU and the whole state for that matter greatly benefited during his time at SDSU
6) Focus on the new AD since he sounds like a great hire
7) Enjoy the past and future success achieved by SDSU in the academic and athletic arena.
8) LET IT GO

Everyone else has.

[filbert]

Re: Fred Oien article

Not a USD thread.

[Nidaros]

Re: Fred Oien article

You know, just as you take offense to Coyote fans commenting about Fred Oien, saying we don't know the whole story that all we hear is rumor, well, guess what? You don't know the whole story there either. I know, you'll provide me a link to the court findings. I know you will. But you do not know the whole story behind what happened there. I will sum it up, Mary Mock was responsible for women's athletics at USD. Women's athletics were horrible under her supervision, especially the volleyball team whose coach was fired at the same time. Ms. Mock thought it unfair she was fired after years of subpar performance so she took out her revenge claiming gender discrimination. This happens everyday in businesses all over this country. Forget she was horrible at her job, it must be because she was a woman she shouldn't have been canned. No coincidence that once she was gone women's athletics started to improve down here at USD. Yes, and that half million dollars, didn't go to Ms. Mock and the ex-volleyball coach, she got some money, but a bulk of that half mill went right into the pockets of her attorneys for their fees for them bringing this suit.

If you ask me, money well spent to be rid of her.

Really you got to be kidding me!!! Why blame the coach? What was Doyle doing all this time? BTW contracts are renewable yearly, so it should not have cost the tax payers a half million to get rid of her. I guess Doyle did fire her but did not do it legally. Now that says volumnes about the decision making of Jack Doyle.

I say again, Fred did not cost the taxpayers one half million dollars. Jack Doyle did. Its not Mary Mock problem if she were problem why did she excerise her legal rights? Why blame the messenger? I dont know where Jack Doyle is at this moment. He probably is still sharpening pencils at the Foundation, but I think thats a bigger problem than Dr. Oiens personal problems. I will shut up about this only when Stu Whitney stops his attempts to gain access to Dr Oien's personnel files and stops taking shots at the Admin at SDSU and for you to come here and try to sweep this Doyle mess under the rug will not go unchallenged.

[Yote53]

Re: Fred Oien article

And I'll add I thought the Argus article was in poor taste. No need for that article to be written other than to rile people up and create controversy.

It's all in the past, let it stay there. Your new AD has some pretty good credentials and seems very capable. Good luck to him in the future.

[Yote53]

Re: Fred Oien article

I have not had the opportunity to sit down and have one on one conversations with Fred like I once did, and maybe more often before 1990, and before he was AD. I learned a great deal from these conversations about athletic adminstration. I think it is fair to state that his precessor Dr Forysth helped groom Fred for the AD position and he did an excellent job. Fred got his advanced degrees out east and I want to say they were the same instittutions where Jack Frost got his but might be wrong on that detail, but I know Fred thought a great of deal of Rueben "Jack" Frost, the quiet and thoughtful Norweigan from North Dakota.

My point is that Fred was groomed to be an AD under a D2 classifications and since SDSU is now a D1 member with a completely different number of responsiblities, I tend to think he felt he should not have imput in his successor, and it was one for the an appointed committee to make. Also consider when Reggie Christiansen left SDSU last spring, Fred backed off in hiring a new coach, and I think he probably was thinking retirement in making that decision. Plus he an able assistant Richie Price to turn the program over too.

So when you consider the historical background, to me this is a very unfair question and shows the lack of histroical background by both Stu Whitney and Terry Vandervec. Since Terry did not as I recall make an issue of Fred absence in the choice of his successor, I will let him off the hook on that matter. My problem with TV is the sources that were included in his article.

TeaJackrabbit is a fan like me and no doubt has a number of questions on how sausage is made(adminstration of the athletic department.) so his questions are understandable, but certainly, as are mine questions subject to challenge by someone else on this board.

I think there are a few things that can be discussed without involving Fred's personal life. He is a human just like you and I and these past few years have not been easy ones for him. Was he responsible for his actions in and off of the office? Yes. That part is undefendable and I dont try to defend him.

I do appreciate all that he has done as an AD, and if he was less than direct then we would not have made the progress to date that we have. Look south, it cost USD a half million in settlment damages due to the Title IX law suit settlement, and it was the result of bad decisions or no decisions by Jack Doyle. So be thankful we have had a passionate Fred Oien as our AD for the past 19 years.

You know, just as you take offense to Coyote fans commenting about Fred Oien, saying we don't know the whole story that all we hear is rumor, well, guess what? You don't know the whole story there either. I know, you'll provide me a link to the court findings. I know you will. But you do not know the whole story behind what happened there. I will sum it up, Mary Mock was responsible for women's athletics at USD. Women's athletics were horrible under her supervision, especially the volleyball team whose coach was fired at the same time. Ms. Mock thought it unfair she was fired after years of subpar performance so she took out her revenge claiming gender discrimination. This happens everyday in businesses all over this country. Forget she was horrible at her job, it must be because she was a woman she shouldn't have been canned. No coincidence that once she was gone women's athletics started to improve down here at USD. Yes, and that half million dollars, didn't go to Ms. Mock and the ex-volleyball coach, she got some money, but a bulk of that half mill went right into the pockets of her attorneys for their fees for them bringing this suit.

If you ask me, money well spent to be rid of her.

[mango4]

Re: Fred Oien article

Not from the Moderators. I commented in my last post that I was digned with a bad rep point. Actually, it was one of the gray ones. I'm not sure what that means and some posters who have stated it may be from someone who hasn't been on the board very long is as good an explanation as I've heard.

I kinda figured that but I felt like making fun of RO

[West-River_Jack]

Re: Fred Oien article

Speaking of thread drift, does anybody know on which date the fall semester starts? I couldn't find it on the SDSU web site although I am sure it is there someplace.

[JackJD]

Re: Fred Oien article

Maybe it's a warning from the mods

Not from the Moderators. I commented in my last post that I was digned with a bad rep point. Actually, it was one of the gray ones. I'm not sure what that means and some posters who have stated it may be from someone who hasn't been on the board very long is as good an explanation as I've heard.

[zooropa]

Re: Fred Oien article

So the Argus should have it archived some place

Indeed. I wonder that TV didn't catch it--or left it out. It's definitely an extra dimension to the story.

[mango4]

Re: Fred Oien article

I believe because you'd have to have been here to catch that.

TV was in Fargo, that remark by Miller was buried in the Argus coverage, if it was in the Argus at all, and TV's unlikely to have dug up Collegian articles from the time as part of his research.

--

Now IMO, it's possible that Stu's got some sort of unpublishable 'dirt' on Oien that is of a nature similar to what's been gone over already, and that he wanted somehow to confirm that dirt via access to confidential files.

Not having been able to get what he wants, he's resorted to childish behavior.

And yes, I know you don't pick fights with people who buy ink by the barrel, but on the other hand, buying ink by the barrel doesn't mean that you're right. Or even particularly grown-up.

Taken right from the Collegian story...

The "Argus Leader" reported that Oien attempted to resign but the school did not accept his offer.

So the Argus should have it archived some place

[zooropa]

Re: Fred Oien article

Wonder why that was conviently left out in Sunday's article?

I believe because you'd have to have been here to catch that.

TV was in Fargo, that remark by Miller was buried in the Argus coverage, if it was in the Argus at all, and TV's unlikely to have dug up Collegian articles from the time as part of his research.

--

Now IMO, it's possible that Stu's got some sort of unpublishable 'dirt' on Oien that is of a nature similar to what's been gone over already, and that he wanted somehow to confirm that dirt via access to confidential files.

Not having been able to get what he wants, he's resorted to childish behavior.

And yes, I know you don't pick fights with people who buy ink by the barrel, but on the other hand, buying ink by the barrel doesn't mean that you're right. Or even particularly grown-up.

[CatchEmAll]

Re: Fred Oien article

Apple...warmed slightly...ala mode...

[Nidaros]

Re: Fred Oien article

As far as Oien staying on after 2004, I once heard (can't remember where, so take it for what it's worth) that Oien offered to resign, and Miller wouldn't hear of it.

The offer of resignation was indeed reported by the Argus Leader. Wonder why that was conviently left out in Sunday's article? I been trying to get these reportings to come up in a google, but no luck so far. I will keep trying and I found the COLLEIGIAN Article from 2004:

http://media.www.sdsucollegian.com/m...e-610025.shtml

[bub94]

Re: Fred Oien article

What does a gray one mean? I've gotten a couple now. Is it neutral, just someone acknowledging that I wrote something?

It might be from someone who isn't a member of the forum (got one of those about a month ago).

Just as handing out good rep points, you can not hand someone bad rep points until you spread the love around (couldn't think of anything better than that). I haven't clicked that icon for a while now.

As for Fred, it really doesn't matter to me if he was at the Summit League tourney as a SDSU official or a SDSU fan. Fred worked hard with the rest of the Athletic Department to get SDSU to Division I. I agree with a previous post, let's see what is in Stu's personal file. Let Fred enjoy his retirement.

[Nidaros]

Re: Fred Oien article

Not sure where you get the perfect family life stuff. Maybe I'll send you a personal message at some point and share some of the struggles my family has been through.

We can disagree, which we do, but no need to get personal and ugly. Just give me more give me more negative points, that'll teach me!

Well I guess we traded negative points. No problem here except that Dr Oien has been my friend for many years and I see no need to back down from some self righteous person as your self. As far as I am concerned you dont need to send me a PM.