Will NDSU and SDSU be playing UND and USD?

[filbert]

Re: Will NDSU and SDSU be playing UND and USD?

Speaking of which, what are their 14 sports? Don't the yotes have a 55% Women to 45 Men ratio, so to bump up football schollies from 36 to 63, plus add another 5 mens' BB schollies, so they have to add 32-34 mens schollies, then come in with 35-40 womens schollies to balance out? They say they're going to be to the full 63 schollies in football next year, so that they can get the BCS games too. But won't they get bit by the same requirement that they supported in the SD legislature imposed on them?

It will most likely be 2013 before we play them again.

USD has seventeen sports (counting indoor and outdoor track & field separately, as the NCAA does). They plan to go from 103 scholarships to 165. If my math is correct, that's 35 added non-football scholarships and 27 added football scholarships.

Let's say 27 of the 35 non-football scholarships go towards all the women's sports. That leaves eight. Four more towards each gender? Or do they have to beef up the women's side?

Doesn't look to me like there will be many non-football men's scholarships available, other than the 3 to get the basketball program fully funded.

USD's sports, and the NCAA D-I maximums (effective Aug. 1 2008, equivalencies except where noted):
Men:
Basketball - 13 (head-count)
Cross Country - 12.6 (combined with Track & Field)
Football - 63 (85 head-count)
Golf - 4.5
Swimming & Diving - 9.9
Track & Field - (counted with Cross Country)

Women:
Basketball - 15 (head-count)
Cross Country - 18 (combined with Track & Field)
Golf - 6
Soccer - 14
Softball - 12
Swimming & Diving - 14
Tennis - 8 (head-count)
Track & Field - (counted with Cross Country)
Volleyball - 12 (head-count)

So, by my calculations, USD can offer a maximum of 103 men's scholarships and 99 women's scholarships, given the sports they now offer.

I don't know what their ramp-up plan is, and which sports aren't going to be fully funded with scholarships. You'd have to assume that football and men's basketball get fully funded . . . that's 76 scholarships right there.

If you do proportional by gender, assuming Rabid's 55%-45% ratio is correct, for USD's announced goal of 165 scholarships, you come out with 90.75 women's scholarships, and 74.25 men's scholarships.

Ouch. Does that mean that USD won't fund 63 football scholarships, but only 61.25, fully fund men's basketball, and let the other men's sports wither on the vine? Somehow I don't think so.

Anyway, I'm not sure if this is totally relevant to the topic of the thread, but what the heck, I was a bit bored . . .

[rabidrabbit]

Re: Will NDSU and SDSU be playing UND and USD?

I agree, they need us right now, we don't need them in FB & BB......although I do see them popping on the schedule of the other sports......keeping in mind they have a history of not being proactive but reactive...by cutting sports.

Speaking of which, what are their 14 sports? Don't the yotes have a 55% Women to 45 Men ratio, so to bump up football schollies from 36 to 63, plus add another 5 mens' BB schollies, so they have to add 32-34 mens schollies, then come in with 35-40 womens schollies to balance out? They say they're going to be to the full 63 schollies in football next year, so that they can get the BCS games too. But won't they get bit by the same requirement that they supported in the SD legislature imposed on them?

It will most likely be 2013 before we play them again.

[rational thought]

Re: Will NDSU and SDSU be playing UND and USD?

I agree with Jacks#1Fan and J4L. I was beginning to think the attitude toward playing USD was changing. Come on folks...lets not forget about what USD put us through 5 years ago when we declared we were going D-I. They did everything they could at every possible level to make our lives miserable.

And the actions that took place the last time we went to the "oversized dog kennel"...I won't even start.

Never is too soon! Until were forced to play them, forget it.

I agree, they need us right now, we don't need them in FB & BB......although I do see them popping on the schedule of the other sports......keeping in mind they have a history of not being proactive but reactive...by cutting sports.

[BTownJack]

Re: Will NDSU and SDSU be playing UND and USD?

Amen and amen brother J4L. I will be a vocal opponent to ever agreeing to play USD in the dome in basketball...so they better get a new basketball arena, and act like they belong in Division I, before I'll ever be convinced we should schedule them down there.

I agree with Jacks#1Fan and J4L. I was beginning to think the attitude toward playing USD was changing. Come on folks...lets not forget about what USD put us through 5 years ago when we declared we were going D-I. They did everything they could at every possible level to make our lives miserable.

And the actions that took place the last time we went to the "oversized dog kennel"...I won't even start.

Never is too soon! Until were forced to play them, forget it.

[Jacks#1Fan]

Re: Will NDSU and SDSU be playing UND and USD?

I haven't been keeping up on the forum this summer since it is my busy time of year at work. I appreciate all of the comments from those that know more than I about schedules. IMHO, I have said it before and will say it again, all logic aside and on a personal note, whenever we play Udot in anything, it will be too f'in soon. I hope you don't have to think too hard to see how I feel...

Amen and amen brother J4L. I will be a vocal opponent to ever agreeing to play USD in the dome in basketball...so they better get a new basketball arena, and act like they belong in Division I, before I'll ever be convinced we should schedule them down there.

[SUPERBUNNY]

Re: Will NDSU and SDSU be playing UND and USD?

I haven't been keeping up on the forum this summer since it is my busy time of year at work. I appreciate all of the comments from those that know more than I about schedules. IMHO, I have said it before and will say it again, all logic aside and on a personal note, whenever we play Udot in anything, it will be too f'in soon. I hope you don't have to think too hard to see how I feel...

I think I see where you are going with that and ummm.....

Never would be too soon for me to take a trip to the DakotaDump!

SUPERBUNNY

[Jack4Life]

Re: Will NDSU and SDSU be playing UND and USD?

I have not forgotten that last basketball game in Vermillion or the negative grandstanding by USD Administrators and fans after SDSU declared DI, however I'm all for playing them once they are a counter in any sport on SDSU terms ie. Home game in Brookings and or Sioux Falls.

I haven't been keeping up on the forum this summer since it is my busy time of year at work. I appreciate all of the comments from those that know more than I about schedules. IMHO, I have said it before and will say it again, all logic aside and on a personal note, whenever we play Udot in anything, it will be too f'in soon. I hope you don't have to think too hard to see how I feel...

[JACKGUYII]

Re: Will NDSU and SDSU be playing UND and USD?

I have not forgotten that last basketball game in Vermillion or the negative grandstanding by USD Administrators and fans after SDSU declared DI, however I'm all for playing them once they are a counter in any sport on SDSU terms ie. Home game in Brookings and or Sioux Falls.

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

Re: Will NDSU and SDSU be playing UND and USD?

Starting in '09, Vermites and Sioux would count toward D-I games, just not 2008. Just like Jacks were supposed to be guaranteed wins vs Southern, Nichols, McNeese St. during transition, these two teams will win their share vs D-I opponents.

Agreed. I wasn't meaning to insinuate USD would fit in as a guaranteed win. Not sure that sort of strategy is one employed by SDSU anyway. If our past and future schedules show anything it's that we tend to lean heavily on scheduling teams who present huge challenges, not cupcakes. I was thinking USD and UND may someday fit into that category where a victory would be a benefit in getting us into the playoffs. I have little question UND can become a good FCS team. USD has a lot of momentum. It will be interesting to see how that translates into the next level.

[rabidrabbit]

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Sorry, just couldn't resist being a smart@ss on a Monday. Plus, who are we to argue with Stu?

On topic, I agree with what has previously been stated. Taking all emotion out of the equation, I think the basketball and volleyball teams will and should play sooner than the football teams. There is a financial incentive for both teams to do that. Football just doesn't need USD at this point. We set all-time highs in attendance and excitement for the team in the last 2 years. Why would we replace a Deleware with USD? More importantly, why would we replace a Nebraska or Iowa St. with USD? So Stu can say "I told you so"? There just isn't any real incentive to play them in football. We have 8 conference games every year and that isn't changing. We are also shooting for a payday game from a FCS team every year. That narrows the field to 2 games right now. The decision becomes do we fill those games with teams that can help us get into the playoff or teams that we can beat and count as a guaranteed win. I'm sure USD will fit in there somewhere someday. Just won't happen for a while.

Starting in '09, Vermites and Sioux would count toward D-I games, just not 2008. Just like Jacks were supposed to be guaranteed wins vs Southern, Nichols, McNeese St. during transition, these two teams will win their share vs D-I opponents.

[1stRowFANatic]

Re: Will NDSU and SDSU be playing UND and USD?

Sorry, just couldn't resist being a smart@ss on a Monday. Plus, who are we to argue with Stu?

I couldn't either. As for the substance of the thread, I agree with what most have said that when it makes sense for SDSU athletes, then the games will be scheduled.

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

Re: Will NDSU and SDSU be playing UND and USD?

Sorry, just couldn't resist being a smart@ss on a Monday. Plus, who are we to argue with Stu?

On topic, I agree with what has previously been stated. Taking all emotion out of the equation, I think the basketball and volleyball teams will and should play sooner than the football teams. There is a financial incentive for both teams to do that. Football just doesn't need USD at this point. We set all-time highs in attendance and excitement for the team in the last 2 years. Why would we replace a Deleware with USD? More importantly, why would we replace a Nebraska or Iowa St. with USD? So Stu can say "I told you so"? There just isn't any real incentive to play them in football. We have 8 conference games every year and that isn't changing. We are also shooting for a payday game from a FCS team every year. That narrows the field to 2 games right now. The decision becomes do we fill those games with teams that can help us get into the playoff or teams that we can beat and count as a guaranteed win. I'm sure USD will fit in there somewhere someday. Just won't happen for a while.

[1stRowFANatic]

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MJA,
Just wondering how much money you are willing to put behind Stu's guarantee? As for me, I want the other side of the action.

[JackJD]

Re: Will NDSU and SDSU be playing UND and USD?

Stu Whitney guaranteed that we will all be in the same conference in five years. We'll have to play them then.

MJA: way to kill a thread with a nicely developing discussion. I had forgotten about Stu's guarantee!

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

Re: Will NDSU and SDSU be playing UND and USD?

Stu Whitney guaranteed that we will all be in the same conference in five years. We'll have to play them then.