ORU--Round 3

[bub94]

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Why can't we be better winners here? There is no need to bash the ORU players. Luper could have rant and raved about some of the calls yesterday, but she didn't. She just went down court to play some more. I sat near the USA Basketball representative who was there to watch both Maria AND Luper/Bingham. That says a lot for all three.

He was livid about the calls going for the home team. He said the charge was the worst call possible during that time of the game. We had perfect angle from near the ORU band. He also said they blew the call right afterwards near the sideline when Luper was tackled after stealing the ball.

I have said nothing but good things about ORU. They played a heck of a game and they had a great season.

Did the same USA BB rep have any comments regarding the no calls in the first half against ORU's defense? ORU's defense was good but they were grabbing arms. I agree they blew the call when Luper made the steal and Rotert (I believe it was her) fouled her. ORU had possession so there should have been foul shots taken (I think the ref made the call the ball was loose so no shots were awarded).

As for the charging, maybe the ref thought Luper instigated the contact or leaned in too much. From where I was watching, it was really close. The refs don't have the option of watching replays so they have to go with what they 'think' they saw (that's with the assumption refs can think. :-) ). (Does smack against a ref count as smack on the board?)

[zooropa]

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both teams had to live with it.

dingdingdingding. we have a winner.

[JamesJacks]

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It was Summit League officiating at it's finest, and neither team won or lost the game because of it, but rather both teams had to live with it.

Well said Kemo! It can't be said any better than that.

[Kemo]

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"Win with pride, but also realize we had help." a quote from USA Basketball.

Well, if that quote is true, USA basketball needs to open their eyes and watch the entire game, because if "they" think we were helped out by the refs in the game they probably shouldn't be running USA basketball.

I was stationed under the basket when Macie took that charge and it looked like a great call live (though I have not seen a replay of it), and it was especially a good call considering the one charge that ORU got in the first half that wasn't even close. I do think we got some calls in our favor (the offensive foul called on SDSU when it was clearly a loose ball foul on the Jacks comes to mind... though they ended up at the free throw line that possession anyways), but ORU had just as many in their favor over the course of the game (ORU clearly knocking the ball out of bounds with no Jackrabbits even near it and still getting the ball).

It was Summit League officiating at it's finest, and neither team won or lost the game because of it, but rather both teams had to live with it.

[zooropa]

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Her left foot is still a foot off the ground at impact. The USA Rep is also a Big 12 referee who is working the men's conference tourney. I think that I'll take his word for it.

Of course, in the end, it's a charge if the ref calls it a charge.

Also, the organization that certifies and hires the Big 12 refs certifies and hires the refs that work at Frost Arena.

Not saying that this guy was off his nut, just saying that the outfit that gives him his credentials is, shall we say, not exactly known for exercising good judgment in its hiring decisions..

[Just in the crowd]

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I've watched it at least 10 times on DVR and Macie beat her to the spot...period. A charge is a charge, I don't care how much time is on the clock or what the game situation is. Also, at one point in the second half, team fouls were 8 to 2...guess which team had more. Some of that is style of play, but ORU got their fair share of breaks during the game.

Her left foot is still a foot off the ground at impact. The USA Rep is also a Big 12 referee who is working the men's conference tourney. I think that I'll take his word for it.

[Just in the crowd]

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Over on the ORU board,they agreed that the charge was the right call after watching the replay. They said it was a great effort by Macie to get in position to take the charge.

Please post the link to that site.

[zooropa]

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Over on the ORU board,they agreed that the charge was the right call after watching the replay. They said it was a great effort by Macie to get in position to take the charge.

That's Macie..... She's probably better at doing that than anyone else on the team.

Watch how quickly she gets her feet set to take a charge sometime. It's pretty dang cool.

[bigticket1]

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I've watched it at least 10 times on DVR and Macie beat her to the spot...period. A charge is a charge, I don't care how much time is on the clock or what the game situation is. Also, at one point in the second half, team fouls were 8 to 2...guess which team had more. Some of that is style of play, but ORU got their fair share of breaks during the game.

Over on the ORU board,they agreed that the charge was the right call after watching the replay. They said it was a great effort by Macie to get in position to take the charge.

[jacks1]

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He was livid about the calls going for the home team. He said the charge was the worst call possible during that time of the game.

I've watched it at least 10 times on DVR and Macie beat her to the spot...period. A charge is a charge, I don't care how much time is on the clock or what the game situation is. Also, at one point in the second half, team fouls were 8 to 2...guess which team had more. Some of that is style of play, but ORU got their fair share of breaks during the game.

[bigticket1]

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You have to think that part of AJ's gameplan would be to get passes to the free throw line area to allow multiple passing lanes. The problem with swinging the ball around the perimeter is when it gets to the sides your lanes are limited. Of course, if Maria can work herself free like she started to do in the 2nd half then that is all moot.

I was only able to watch the first half on TV yesterday,and Maria flashed open underneath behind the defense many times and no attempt was made to get the ball down there. Most of those times the ball was at the top of the key - it's a risky pass to make from there,but Maria was open running the baseline.

[JamesJacks]

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IMO, the flip-side of not subbing players in enough affecting recruiting could be SDSU's "Line Change" coaching style. One one hand you have basically no minutes from the bench and on the other you have the minutes spread out over 8-10 players. Either way a recruit could see this as having an adverse effect on her own numbers. Not saying either is wrong or right.

As long as a program has sustained success and good recruiting staffs, the players will come. The chance to be on championship teams tends to overrule a playing time issue.

You make a good counterpoint to my point. My response to that is: AJ recruits not only a certain type of player, but a certain type of personality too. Those personalities know that they are a part of something bigger than themselves. This is why I believe having our team have so many kids get so many minutes is not an issue.

[leeshajo]

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Why can't we be better winners here? There is no need to bash the ORU players. Luper could have rant and raved about some of the calls yesterday, but she didn't. She just went down court to play some more. I sat near the USA Basketball representative who was there to watch both Maria AND Luper/Bingham. That says a lot for all three.

He was livid about the calls going for the home team. He said the charge was the worst call possible during that time of the game. We had perfect angle from near the ORU band. He also said they blew the call right afterwards near the sideline when Luper was tackled after stealing the ball.

I went back to Brookings and watched the taped game, we got very lucky on big calls late in regulation. The charge call would have put them up by one granted the free throw made. Then the team control call with no free throws shot, yet they still made two points on free throws anyway.

"Win with pride, but also realize we had help." a quote from USA Basketball.

I was just coming to say something similar... a lot of posters are ripping ORU like we Lost rather than won the game.

I thought ORU had a great season and showed a lot of heart yesterday. I think we should be respecting a program that as it grows is only going to push us to get better, and as a conference get more respect.

[rabidrabbit]

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I was actually thinking about that as the clock ran out yesterday afternoon. Is there any possiblity that the Jacks' opponent would think that, with the struggles they have had this year, that this team isn't as talented as last year? Maybe we can still catch a team off-guard.

Every bit as TALENTED. When all the parts EXECUTE like the well-oiled machine that they CAN BE, WATCH OUT. Need to avoid the sputtering that occurred in the last 3:30, especially the BAD TO that were made on passes.

[Just in the crowd]

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Why can't we be better winners here? There is no need to bash the ORU players. Luper could have rant and raved about some of the calls yesterday, but she didn't. She just went down court to play some more. I sat near the USA Basketball representative who was there to watch both Maria AND Luper/Bingham. That says a lot for all three.

He was livid about the calls going for the home team. He said the charge was the worst call possible during that time of the game. We had perfect angle from near the ORU band. He also said they blew the call right afterwards near the sideline when Luper was tackled after stealing the ball.

I went back to Brookings and watched the taped game, we got very lucky on big calls late in regulation. The charge call would have put them up by one granted the free throw made. Then the team control call with no free throws shot, yet they still made two points on free throws anyway.

"Win with pride, but also realize we had help." a quote from USA Basketball.