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  • yoteforever
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    Originally posted by JackJD View Post
    yoteforever: apologies for incorrectly listing 'yotemeal' (which is one of my favorite message board names).

    Second, I agree on your second point. In fact, I went back and edited that out of my post. I was attempting to show a little irony -- we all tend to lump fans -- and within minutes of posting, I thought I didn't quite hit the mark so I deleted that from my post. You must have read my post before the edits. It sounds like we have basic agreement on the point.

    Last, I tend to agree with your overall point about those who are criticizing the refs. I understand some people having that opinion but I tend to subscribe to the theory that, with rare exceptions, refs do not cause teams to lose games. My closing line in the prior post was I had nothing to blast you on, yoteforever (you suggested some may "blast away").
    You're a class act. Have a great weekend

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  • yoteforever
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    Originally posted by SturgisJeff View Post
    I for one am not discounting the great season the Jacks had and all the accomplishments that they had. I just cannot wait till next year to see what they can do. Thank you for your post yote', I believe you are sincere and maybe we can "Jackatize" you to our side. But that said these ladies had so much more in them to go farther and succeed even more. No there was not one play that did them in. There were more than a few. Could they have maintained momentum in the first half before all the fouls, maybe, probably, We'll never know because the momentum was killed by the refs, sick of hearing about it, but true. They were on their way to opening a big lead that maybe baylor could not have come back from. Sure the threes weren't dropping at the time but with the building lead and the ladies getting more confidence from the lead maybe they would have. the inside shot was there in the first until the fouls. Who knows.
    Jeff,

    Thanks for the post. I am sincere in what I say about all athletics, and on here, my mission is to find some common ground between Udot and SDSU. I will tell you I will never totally be JACKATIZED (as you put it), but I do cheer for you except when we play each other. There are great fans on both sides, also some real butts on both sides.

    I say let's make all of our fans great and have healthy dialogue, debate, and general BS about each others school.

    I long for the following chants: HATE STATE...SCREW THE U

    My gosh, that's awesome. It is only bad when it deteriorates.

    What a season your ladies had.

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  • JackJD
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    yoteforever: apologies for incorrectly listing 'yotemeal' (which is one of my favorite message board names).

    Second, I agree on your second point. In fact, I went back and edited that out of my post. I was attempting to show a little irony -- we all tend to lump fans -- and within minutes of posting, I thought I didn't quite hit the mark so I deleted that from my post. You must have read my post before the edits. It sounds like we have basic agreement on the point.

    Last, I tend to agree with your overall point about those who are criticizing the refs. I understand some people having that opinion but I tend to subscribe to the theory that, with rare exceptions, refs do not cause teams to lose games. My closing line in the prior post was I had nothing to blast you on, yoteforever (you suggested some may "blast away").

    Originally posted by yoteforever View Post
    Since we are into technicalities, I am yoteforever, not yotemeal.

    Secondly, when you make the statement that it is an obvious fact USD fans hate to be criticized, or however you put it, I would caution you about (2) things. #1, be careful not to lump all fans into the same category. That was a negative comment regarding USD, and I feel uncalled for. Many USD fans were at the arena cheering on SDSU, myself one of them. #2, you have a number of fans on here who don't take criticism well either. I have made it known I am a USD fan first, but I like to think I was classy in my debates or arguments (most times) and it rubs me wrong when someone says all USD fans are this or that. You are wrong on that.

    Lastly, your comment about IS instead of WAS is appropriate. I expect your program to have continued success.

    My whole point in my post was to say I have come to get to know many of you on here through debate or oration, and you are far to classy a group to lower yourself into saying the NCAA screwed you, or the refs screwed you. That's all.

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  • SturgisJeff
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    I for one am not discounting the great season the Jacks had and all the accomplishments that they had. I just cannot wait till next year to see what they can do. Thank you for your post yote', I believe you are sincere and maybe we can "Jackatize" you to our side. But that said these ladies had so much more in them to go farther and succeed even more. No there was not one play that did them in. There were more than a few. Could they have maintained momentum in the first half before all the fouls, maybe, probably, We'll never know because the momentum was killed by the refs, sick of hearing about it, but true. They were on their way to opening a big lead that maybe baylor could not have come back from. Sure the threes weren't dropping at the time but with the building lead and the ladies getting more confidence from the lead maybe they would have. the inside shot was there in the first until the fouls. Who knows.

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  • minnesotarabbit
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    1 blown call (phantom call on Young) might not affect the outcome of the game, but 9 or 10 touch fouls in the 1st half definitely made the Jacks change the way they played defense for the rest of the game.

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  • jackmd
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    Originally posted by yoteforever View Post
    Since we are into technicalities, I am yoteforever, not yotemeal.

    Secondly, when you make the statement that it is an obvious fact USD fans hate to be criticized, or however you put it, I would caution you about (2) things. #1, be careful not to lump all fans into the same category. That was a negative comment regarding USD, and I feel uncalled for. Many USD fans were at the arena cheering on SDSU, myself one of them. #2, you have a number of fans on here who don't take criticism well either. I have made it known I am a USD fan first, but I like to think I was classy in my debates or arguments (most times) and it rubs me wrong when someone says all USD fans are this or that. You are wrong on that.

    Lastly, your comment about IS instead of WAS is appropriate. I expect your program to have continued success.

    My whole point in my post was to say I have come to get to know many of you on here through debate or oration, and you are far to classy a group to lower yourself into saying the NCAA screwed you, or the refs screwed you. That's all.
    I understand your points but you've largely misinterpreted what I said and that's because you didn't have as much invested in this game as some of us. If you can't recognize that we got the raw end of the deal on the seeding, location and officiating its because you aren't a Jackrabbit fan. For you to suggest that I somehow don't recognize the great accomplishments of this team or the way that they handled themselves is once again because you are not a Jackrabbit fan.

    Facts our facts. The NCAA took advantage of our first year of eligibility status and stuck us with a lower seed and with the worst possible geographic location. Do they owe SDSU anything? Heck no but I'm sure as hell going to use a forum that is supported by SDSU fans to make my feelings with respect to this issue known. If you can't understand the reasons for that I'm okay with it. I understand the reasons for it and it has everything to do with standing up for a program that deserved better.

    I never said we should have won, I just said I thought we had the better team and that the circumstances certainly contributed to the better team losing.

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  • launcher46
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    Nice post yoteforever. I got so sick of the complaining about the refs and ncaa that I couldn't look through this thread anymore. We didn't get beat because of the refs, we got beat because we slowed down the pace and blew a 14 point lead. The refs had a much bigger impact on the game than they should have (for both teams!) but if Jill Young makes the three the games over, if Johnston doesn't ice his own player with 30 seconds left it probably ends up differently, if the Baylor girl doesn't make a great play at the end we head to overtime. Too much goes into the game to say we lost because we were playing Baylor in Texas with bad refs.

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  • yoteforever
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    Originally posted by JackJD View Post
    I will make just a couple comments on yotemeal's post:



    Is.



    Nothing to blast on, yotemeal. I agree with you that we had a great season. I predict we'll be back next year, likely matching or improving on this year's fabulous results. I'm watching the NCAA women's tourney games right now and, having watched the Jackrabbit women in person about 10 times this year, I know that we match well with the schools making the Elite 8. We will next year, too.
    Since we are into technicalities, I am yoteforever, not yotemeal.

    Secondly, when you make the statement that it is an obvious fact USD fans hate to be criticized, or however you put it, I would caution you about (2) things. #1, be careful not to lump all fans into the same category. That was a negative comment regarding USD, and I feel uncalled for. Many USD fans were at the arena cheering on SDSU, myself one of them. #2, you have a number of fans on here who don't take criticism well either. I have made it known I am a USD fan first, but I like to think I was classy in my debates or arguments (most times) and it rubs me wrong when someone says all USD fans are this or that. You are wrong on that.

    Lastly, your comment about IS instead of WAS is appropriate. I expect your program to have continued success.

    My whole point in my post was to say I have come to get to know many of you on here through debate or oration, and you are far to classy a group to lower yourself into saying the NCAA screwed you, or the refs screwed you. That's all.

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  • JackJD
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    I will make just a couple comments on yotemeal's post:

    Originally posted by yoteforever View Post
    I would love our program to be as successful as yours was.
    Is.

    Originally posted by yoteforever View Post
    Ok, blast away at me.
    Nothing to blast on, yotemeal. I agree with you that we had a great season. I predict we'll be back next year, likely matching or improving on this year's fabulous results. I'm watching the NCAA women's tourney games right now and, having watched the Jackrabbit women in person about 10 times this year, I know that we match well with the schools making the Elite 8. We will next year, too.
    Last edited by JackJD; 03-28-2009, 12:48 PM.

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  • yoteforever
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    I just got back from Florida where I stayed home one night instead of going out with friends to watch the SDSU women play Baylor. I am sure I will catch the wrath of most on here with the post, but whether the call you are saying was bad or not, there is never a game where one call determines the outcome of the game.

    This particular one came late, but there were other questionable calls throughout that game, not favoring one particular team or the other, that had as much of impact on the outcome as the call your fans are debating. Officials aren't perfect, neither are players or coaches. Your team was absolutely nothing less than outstanding in their play in this tournament, and for the whole year for that matter.

    You made the dance the first year you were elgible, and could make the claim you should be playing to make the Elite 8. But they got beat. The ladies gave up a large lead, and as much as I would have liked to see them win, they didn't. To chastize the NCAA for where they went, or their selection of refs in my opinion is poor sportsmanship. That's sports period. I have played. I have coached. And I have reffed. And I will tell you that being on the floor (or field) is a whole lot different than being in the arena, or in your living room watching the game on big screen.

    Your ladies team was outstanding. Truly outstanding. And although I am a Coyote fan, I was impressed with how well they did. I would love our program to be as successful as yours was. My reccomendation is to quit the complaining and griping as it doesn't bode well for you as a fan base, and celebrate what was truly a "storybook" season.

    The coaches that I admire the most are the ones that teach their kids how to win and lose. Your coach does that very well. I admire coaches that tell their team to "act like you are used to it, and have done it before" even though maybe they haven't. This is new water for SDSU, and to have the NCAA look at you with favor I think is a bit naive.

    Celebrate this team, and forever hold them in your thoughts as time passes, and you all talk about the '08/'09 ladies basketball team, and what a great ride it was. Be proud...........not bitter.

    Ok, blast away at me. But trust me, this sin't a USD/SDSU thing. It is simply my observation of some behavior from great fans I didn't expect.

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  • SturgisJeff
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    Originally posted by Nidaros View Post
    Good one, and in 1985 we had a refereering problems then too, hence no national championship. Maybe we just stay home and not try to be involved in playoffs and championships, because the world is against us. Its those biased refs that always do it to us. Why should we bother competing?

    Totally agree.


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  • Nidaros
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    Originally posted by Cowbell View Post
    It's official...there have now been more days discussing the refs from the Baylor game than there were days spent by Congress debating the stimulus package. Sorry mods...
    Good one, and in 1985 we had a refereering problems then too, hence no national championship. Maybe we just stay home and not try to be involved in playoffs and championships, because the world is against us. Its those biased refs that always do it to us. Why should we bother competing?

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  • Cowbell
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    It's official...there have now been more days discussing the refs from the Baylor game than there were days spent by Congress debating the stimulus package. Sorry mods...

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  • jacksfan 93
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    I agree with Nidaros. We got a screw job by the NCAA and their refs. But lets quit beating a dead horse and onto giving the Ladies the praise that they deserve.

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  • Nidaros
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    Have we discussed this topic enough? Or would there be anything constructive left to say?
    I am thankful my home is not on the Red River. I am ready to say the season is over and our women accompolished a great deal on court and no one can take that away. The NCAA is an organization that SDSU chose to belong a long time ago. They make the rules and committees that govern it all. I dont think they are trying to short change us in any manner.

    Maybe a long time ago, but I remember being on the fan bus with Dr. Forsyth about 1991 or so, and the bb region was in Grand Forks. UN-Kearney had just move up from NAIA to D2. Dr Forsyth knew the AD from Kearney and they had had a conversation about hosting the regional for D2. I remember Dr Forsyth telling a group of us of how this AD did not understand all the rules of D2 and submitting a sufficent guarentee to become the host etc, so I think any institution that goes through a reclassification also goes through a learning process. I dont think there was any deliberate effort to short change SDSU. Seeds and polls are definitely subjective and possibly that does work against the new guy (SDSU in D1), but the longer we are around, the smarter we will get in dealing with the politics of the NCAA. I am done ringing my hands, it was a great season.
    Last edited by Nidaros; 03-28-2009, 08:53 AM.

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