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  • #16
    NCAA rules prohibit athletes from taking money as a recruiting inducement or as a reward for their athletic performance. However, the broadly written rules have made it difficult for the NCAA to separate deals made by private businesses for an athlete's services off the field from deals made with the intent of securing an athlete's services on the field.

    An entire industry has emerged in that gray area. Dozens of businesses known as collectives have opened their doors since last July. Most of the collectives have slightly different approaches to how they do business, but generally, they seek to collect money from boosters or fans and then find ways to channel it to athletes at their chosen school through NIL deals.

    Laws in nearly two dozen states prohibit schools and the NCAA from punishing athletes for accepting money from third parties. These guidelines, if enforced by the NCAA, could lead to legal challenges.

    See full ESPN article:

    https://www.espn.com/college-sports/...ement-boosters

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    • #17


      Quote from Sportico - The Business of Sports - https://www.sportico.com/leagues/col...ts-1234674569/

      No less an authority than Alabama football coach Nick Saban has said NIL needs some form of regulation. “I don’t think what we’re doing right now is a sustainable model,” he said. “The concept of name, image and likeness was for players to use their NIL to create opportunities for themselves. That’s what it was. But that creates a situation where you can basically buy players.”

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      • #18
        Yahoo Sports on May 25th:
        How 'direct dollars' have totally changed college football recruiting ((Lane Kiffin, Mississippi Football Coach))

        “You have kids going to schools now, and some haven’t even taken a visit,” Kiffin said, not blaming the players at all. “[They sign] because of NILs. You’ve got to think that it is here to stay. To say that it’s not sustainable, why? Ten years ago, no one would have said schools were going to pay coaches $10 million a year. Well, they do now.”

        WBB is close to or already in this red zone of Play-For-Pay.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by GrandpaLee View Post
          Yahoo Sports on May 25th:
          How 'direct dollars' have totally changed college football recruiting ((Lane Kiffin, Mississippi Football Coach))

          “You have kids going to schools now, and some haven’t even taken a visit,” Kiffin said, not blaming the players at all. “[They sign] because of NILs. You’ve got to think that it is here to stay. To say that it’s not sustainable, why? Ten years ago, no one would have said schools were going to pay coaches $10 million a year. Well, they do now.”

          WBB is close to or already in this red zone of Play-For-Pay.

          I am not sure how much respect people place on the opinions of Lane Kiffin? but I think it is safe to assume that nobody is out of bounds for the NIL BS.

          it seems like it is a very significant issue/ problem in wrestling. and i linked an article in the softball thread talking about a freshman pitcher from oklahoma, who was high school teammates with 2 current jacks softball players. there are businesses that want to get an NIL contract with her

          i FULLY understand that it makes ZERO difference to boosters, but it seems rather weird (and a lot of other adjectives, some not as mild) to me that this would go on to a significant degree in sports that usually or always LOSE money for their school

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          • #20
            And to think the NCAA was so strict a few years back, if you bought a recruit a hamburger at McDonalds your school was in big trouble. What happened to make them become so lenient? It seems to me they went from one extreme to the next.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by jackdaniel View Post
              And to think the NCAA was so strict a few years back, if you bought a recruit a hamburger at McDonalds your school was in big trouble. What happened to make them become so lenient? It seems to me they went from one extreme to the next.
              They basically have always screwed things up being so tight on everything, now they are the opposite and totally hands off it seems. I know its a cliche, but some common sense would go a long way in the NCAAs. I think they knew what ever they did or didnt do people wouldnt be happy with them. Im not sure why big college programs would have a problem with it. all its doing is allowing them to bring all the shady stuff they did to the light and make it easier to pay players.
              "The most rewarding things you do in life, are often the ones that look like they cannot be done. Arnold Palmer

              Don't sweat the petty things, and don't pet the sweaty things.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by goon View Post

                They basically have always screwed things up being so tight on everything, now they are the opposite and totally hands off it seems. I know its a cliche, but some common sense would go a long way in the NCAAs. I think they knew what ever they did or didnt do people wouldnt be happy with them. Im not sure why big college programs would have a problem with it. all its doing is allowing them to bring all the shady stuff they did to the light and make it easier to pay players.
                My thoughts also, just allowing the big money P-5's to monopolize the process. I thought the NCAA represented all it's members, that misconception has been exposed.If it truly did, they wouldn't be submitting to the P-5 and their every desire at the expense of it's poorer members. It's just an organization that puts an official stamp on whatever the P-5's wants now, I shouldn't say they totally do , but rather, to way too much of an extent, they don't want a level playing field , never have ( the P-5).
                Last edited by jackdaniel; 05-27-2022, 09:36 AM.

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                • #23
                  My job brings me into contact with people across the country. When talking college sports the NIL issue pops up frequently. The scuttlebutt among P5 fans is that NIL is seen as a fiasco. And, there is an expectation the P5 schools will do something about it outside the NCAA. I myself don't see what they could do, within the bounds of the recent court rulings, other than set up a league separate form the NCAA with professional contracts for players.
                  You know that you're over the hill when your mind makes a promise that your body can't fill. - L. George

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Prairiehaas View Post
                    My job brings me into contact with people across the country. When talking college sports the NIL issue pops up frequently. The scuttlebutt among P5 fans is that NIL is seen as a fiasco. And, there is an expectation the P5 schools will do something about it outside the NCAA. I myself don't see what they could do, within the bounds of the recent court rulings, other than set up a league separate form the NCAA with professional contracts for players.
                    Hats off to the P-5, if that's how they truly feel, maybe they don't like giving up control to these power brokers ( third party entities) or something, as long as they join in to oppose the NIL as it is in it's current form, I'll view them as an allie instead of foe. I do see that unless the NCAA has a better feel for how people feel about some of their insane rulings, maybe there will be another amateur league set up some day that better represents the institutions they claim they represent and govern. Right now they are doing a terrible job and everyone sees it.

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                    • #25
                      OSU's Ryan Day: We need $13 million in NIL money | College Football Enquirer


                      from Dan Wetzel and SI's Pat Forde - their podcast includes an assertion that ALL college sports will trend towards play-for-NIL-pay. Correlated HC salary to players' $$$ expectations, citing college FB primarily, but pointed out Becky Hammon's million-dollar salary.

                      Still, the podcast was mostly hand wringing over changes in the status quo - only the certainty that NCAA/NIL missteps bring unpredictable consequences:
                      "...college sports just turned into the minor leagues..." OR "...building mercenary teams..."

                      Not too far-fetched to see WBB P5 poaching mid-major stars, like Selland (see Baylor Scheierman). SDSU's WBB roster holds both current stars and stars-in-the-making whose performances would enhance P5 W/L's.

                      Thus: (1) no need for P5's to whomp on low "D-1" teams in non-conference; (2) P5's fix their annual rite of marginal recruiting choices; (3) decisions for high mid-major boosters.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by GrandpaLee View Post
                        OSU's Ryan Day: We need $13 million in NIL money | College Football Enquirer


                        from Dan Wetzel and SI's Pat Forde - their podcast includes an assertion that ALL college sports will trend towards play-for-NIL-pay. Correlated HC salary to players' $$$ expectations, citing college FB primarily, but pointed out Becky Hammon's million-dollar salary.

                        Still, the podcast was mostly hand wringing over changes in the status quo - only the certainty that NCAA/NIL missteps bring unpredictable consequences:
                        "...college sports just turned into the minor leagues..." OR "...building mercenary teams..."

                        Not too far-fetched to see WBB P5 poaching mid-major stars, like Selland (see Baylor Scheierman). SDSU's WBB roster holds both current stars and stars-in-the-making whose performances would enhance P5 W/L's.

                        Thus: (1) no need for P5's to whomp on low "D-1" teams in non-conference; (2) P5's fix their annual rite of marginal recruiting choices; (3) decisions for high mid-major boosters.
                        I wonder if College tuition will be affected to help defray the cost of acquiring a large sum of NIL money and maintaining it going forward, if indeed it unfolds the way this podcast suggests, not to mention boosters stepping up if they can during these challenging economic times. What a mess the NCAA folks have created at the worst of times.Bravo NCAA [sarcasm] I just hope SDSU can find a solution to this so we can stay competative in our sports teams going forward, it's such a big joy to many in this area, as well as alums all accross the USA, to be able to watch our teams excell, would be a shame to let it slip away now, after all the hard work put in by so many to make it so.
                        Last edited by jackdaniel; 06-04-2022, 02:01 PM.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by jackdaniel View Post

                          I wonder if College tuition will be affected to help defray the cost of acquiring a large sum of NIL money and maintaining it going forward, if indeed it unfolds the way this podcast suggests, not to mention boosters stepping up if they can during these challenging economic times. What a mess the NCAA folks have created at the worst of times.Bravo NCAA [sarcasm] I just hope SDSU can find a solution to this so we can stay competative in our sports teams going forward, it's such a big joy to many in this area, as well as alums all accross the USA, to be able to watch our teams excell, would be a shame to let it slip away now, after all the hard work put in by so many to make it so.
                          You might have heard groups known as "collectives" mentioned when discussing NIL. Tucker Kraft mentioned receiving "six figure" offers from them (17:46 mark) in an attempt to entice him to transfer. Regulating those would seem to be a prudent first step. One approach would be for conferences to cap the amount of NIL money these collectives could offer on institutions' behalfs. Sure, one could argue that's "socialist," but it'd be one way to strike a competitve balance and better ensure macro stability, and it wouldn't prevent those same boosters from contributing funds to facilities, scholarships, etc.

                          It seems nigh impossible that the legislature and/or SDBoR would approve tuition increases to bankroll NIL deals, and I'm not sure they should.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by jakejc795 View Post

                            You might have heard groups known as "collectives" mentioned when discussing NIL. Tucker Kraft mentioned receiving "six figure" offers from them (17:46 mark) in an attempt to entice him to transfer. Regulating those would seem to be a prudent first step. One approach would be for conferences to cap the amount of NIL money these collectives could offer on institutions' behalfs. Sure, one could argue that's "socialist," but it'd be one way to strike a competitve balance and better ensure macro stability, and it wouldn't prevent those same boosters from contributing funds to facilities, scholarships, etc.

                            It seems nigh impossible that the legislature and/or SDBoR would approve tuition increases to bankroll NIL deals, and I'm not sure they should.
                            it's not socialist when they have a monopoly on all the money is it? I figured it would be hard to do that in SD , the SD board really hates to increase tuition, which is a good thing for struggling college students.

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                            • #29
                              I'm really out of touch, thought I'd glimpse at the newest (i think) ESPN way-2 -early top 25, and to my surprise saw us listed at # 23, and we fell from previously the #21 spot (now occupied by Creighton) . Heck, I didn't even know we had cracked the top 25 , still thought we were one of the three teams just outside the top 25. Anyway, the transfer portal news has these rankings going up & down like a yo-yo. Crazy times. Nobody's even played a single game yet, so it's all hypothetical at this point, but some nice recognition regardless. Mighty big shoes to fill, so our feet have to continue to grow which they've been doing nicely as we progress (figuratively speaking of course). Here's looking for bigger shoes to fill. The big foot women of SDSU, Go Jacks
                              Last edited by jackdaniel; 06-19-2022, 07:54 PM.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by jackdaniel View Post

                                it's not socialist when they have a monopoly on all the money is it? I figured it would be hard to do that in SD , the SD board really hates to increase tuition, which is a good thing for struggling college students.
                                The big dominos keep falling in "conference realignment." P5 $$$'s rev-up the engine of change. Expecting to see further radical changes; even a P5-NCAA divorce where billion$ are at stake in FB, MBB and baseball. NCAA revenue sharing translates as P5-to-D2/3; P5 wants the whole pie. [ Interesting that women's softball finals TV ratings were higher than the men's CWS. Follow the money. ]

                                Informal discussions between university CEO/AD's to reshape conferences are already here, based upon educational mission, alumni sentiment, donor pressure, NIL, Title IX, admissions, and legislative oversight ... probably more factors.

                                SDSU options are few for now; requiring a slow play until smaller P-5's elect to moderate brand prestige. We should see more mid-majors & D3/NAIA programs schools. Hoping to see SDSU realign with like-minded competitors.

                                7/13/22 - an update on conference realignment

                                https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...erence-changes
                                Last edited by GrandpaLee; 07-13-2022, 08:54 AM.

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