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  • 91jack
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    Originally posted by JimmyJack View Post
    USD's defense down the stretch was impressive. They came out after every time out inspired to play D. SDSU battled, too. But it appeared USD was more energetic at the end, as you might expect of a team in front of a good home crowd. USD's coach gets great effort out of those young women, and you have to admire that.
    I think USD just seemed like they had more options than SDSU. I know both teams played about the same number of players but SDSU just doesn't have enough offensive weapons. Macy and Madi were 5-8 from 3-points land and the rest of the team was 2-12. You need to have more players that teams have to guard to make drives like Macy's, Madi and Myah effective. I don't know if I want Tagyn or Lexi shooting from long range but if they don't, their defender just sags off them and helps out. I would give Tagyn more minutes if we play them in Sioux Falls. She has the ability to guard most of USD's players, she helps on the boards and she is aggressive at taking the ball to the basket.

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  • mitchellrabbit
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    Originally posted by CappinHard View Post
    Nope... stop... we're not going to be the fan base that blames "home cooking from refs". They did a better job of drawing fouls on offense and they did a better job of playing good clean defense. End of story.
    I agree. Its very possible that we got called for more fouls because we fouled more than they did. Hows that for common sense

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  • goon
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    Originally posted by Theee Catrabbit View Post
    Nothing better than talking knowledgeable from not watching the game at all. The refs don't care who wins the game. Those are excuses. Don't put yourself in the position the refs can change an outcome.
    well refs can change the outcome, its up to teams to adjust to the way its being called. I didn't watch much but felt the bit I did we were aggressive and USD was more aggressive on D. It was probably called like a tournament game would be called IMHO. If it was the summit league refs from like 6 years ago, USD would have had a record for number of fouls called because they reach and go for the ball. Not saying they were fouling, but aggressive to the ball. Summit officials in years past wouldn't let you even get close on D and it was a foul. In general the refs sure seem better then they use to be at how they are calling the game. It is a little odd that we fouled so much when we had a lead going into the 4th qtr, usually you see the team behind trying to hard and get called a few extra fouls. guess not this game.

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  • jackdaniel
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    The lob into Sellend at the high post play failed right off the bat after the :46 time out, she was supposed to pass it to a cutting Thompson ,who was pretty well covered. Mayah held the ball too long with two defenders in very close proximity to her while she was waiting for secondary cutters, finally Arens reached in and poked the ball free, and Lamb reacted faster than Arens, Myah,or Rylie Cascio Jensen, and got to the ball first,she fell down, Myah tripped over her and also fell down but got called for a foul.

    The whole point to bringing this up is the timing should be faster between first and second option cutters, or risk exactly this type thing from occurring .These plays are fine plays, but against teams that play aggressive, they don't develop fast enough.That was a huge development in the game, originally I thought it was exactly what we wanted when I saw that because I thought Lamb would be called for the foul, instead Sellend was.We were still ahead at that point.

    All posters on the Yote board lauded the officials for letting them play even though the play was extremely physical,we didn't join in on the ref's swallowing their whistles then,or didn't trust them to give equal leeway if we began to play physical too.Whatever reasoning applies. USD played much more physical than we did down the stretch.That allowed them to get back into the game with the short amount of time they had,and eventually get the win. We seem to have problems against physical teams ,except for Larson who plays physical herself and doesn't back down from anyone, and she was in foul trouble because of it.I noticed Arens has no problem putting her shoulder into a defender and clearing space ,maybe that's what Sellend should have done too.

    I have no problems with the ref's allowing physicality, or not, but having it a little of both just confuses players...make the decision at the start of the game and be true to calling it that way to both sides the whole game.The foul calls at the start of the game were "touchy" little fouls with minimal contact, somehow it morphed into full body hand to hand combat later in the game , Give us the same set of rules and we'll deal with it ,but quit confusing the players by changing the calls and what constitutes a foul or not all the time. I'm not blaming,just saying stay consistent,cause we have to know so we can play physical too,believe it or not, that's a big advantage if one sides playing physical and the other isn't because of inconsistent calls.W, Ill pushes the limits too,maybe we can push back next time too. Of course the team playing from behind plays more physical ,because they have to make things happen favorable to them in a short time period.You can't tell me every time a player reaches in they only contact the ball and not a hand or arm, it's impossible for them to see, that's why they used to call reaching in fouls "reaching in" ,meaning the act of reaching in was in itself considered a foul, not anymore, I don't see why we don't do it more often if it's called so rarely, it's a good way to generate some loose balls and hopefully TO's. Just look at the teams that lead the Summit and get a lot of turnovers ...Ahem,cough,couch.

    Finally, game management could have been a little better with a small but not insignificant lead from about 7 min or so out(9 pts ?)....in light of all that occurred, notwithstanding the advantage of using hindsight. We took poor 3's too fast in the shot clock when all we needed was to control the ball and let them foul us, or let them get too far out of defensive position and get an easy lay in as their desperation grew. We probably needed maybe one or two more buckets and this all might have been averted,instead we chose to jack up some poor contested three's. Sometimes it's best to resist the urge to drive in the final nail in the coffin and let them do that for you themselves by forcing them to get more and more desperate and start making mistakes.
    I've seen it happen a lot in sports ,the ones who remain poised, but vigilant to opportunities that seem to present themselves will begin to experience that things will just naturally fall into place for them and the more things will become unraveled for the one who become desperate. We will become stronger after learning lesson's from this loss, I'm utterly convinced of that.
    Last edited by jackdaniel; 02-22-2018, 01:37 PM. Reason: i should have made chapters in this book

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  • Jackedforlife
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    Originally posted by CappinHard View Post
    Nope... stop... we're not going to be the fan base that blames "home cooking from refs". They did a better job of drawing fouls on offense and they did a better job of playing good clean defense. End of story.
    ^^^^this, 100%

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  • Theee Catrabbit
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    Originally posted by Nidaros View Post
    i did not watch the game at all, but this stat sticks out and there have been many comments about the good USED DEFENSE. If they are good on defense and that I dont question, why then are they going to the ft line more than twice the amount of times the Jacks went? The refs seem to want to keep the home crowd in the game and not have them knitting or going to sleep. Just me from not watching the game at all.
    Nothing better than talking knowledgeable from not watching the game at all. The refs don't care who wins the game. Those are excuses. Don't put yourself in the position the refs can change an outcome.

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  • JimmyJack
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    USD's defense down the stretch was impressive. They came out after every time out inspired to play D. SDSU battled, too. But it appeared USD was more energetic at the end, as you might expect of a team in front of a good home crowd. USD's coach gets great effort out of those young women, and you have to admire that.

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  • bigticket1
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    Originally posted by 91jack View Post
    I was thinking the same thing. AJ called 3 or 4 timeouts in the last minute and a half of the game. Madi got fouled in the corner on one of them (I don't know why) but the other three didn't help at all.
    I think AJ drew up the play for Macy to drive in with 38 seconds left so SDSU could get a 2 for 1 but it wasn't there. I think when he calls a play they run it regardless of what the defense does.
    Listened to AJ's presser, and you are right about going for a 2 for 1. Looking at the replay of Maci's drive, we had the floor spread well and 3 or 4 USD players collapsed to the paint, which means we had to have wide open shooters on the perimeter. Not sure if they were out there just as decoys and Maci was going to shoot regardless of what the defense did, but there were options available.

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  • CappinHard
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    Re: GDT: Jackrabbits springing into the puppy den in Vermillion

    Originally posted by Nidaros View Post
    i did not watch the game at all, but this stat sticks out and there have been many comments about the good USED DEFENSE. If they are good on defense and that I dont question, why then are they going to the ft line more than twice the amount of times the Jacks went? The refs seem to want to keep the home crowd in the game and not have them knitting or going to sleep. Just me from not watching the game at all.
    Nope... stop... we're not going to be the fan base that blames "home cooking from refs". They did a better job of drawing fouls on offense and they did a better job of playing good clean defense. End of story.

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  • Nidaros
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    Originally posted by Roy View Post
    USD 22 of 25 FT, Jacks 8 of 10. Doubt that will happen in SF. Only the final score counts. 14-0 not easy. Go Jacks!!
    i did not watch the game at all, but this stat sticks out and there have been many comments about the good USED DEFENSE. If they are good on defense and that I dont question, why then are they going to the ft line more than twice the amount of times the Jacks went? The refs seem to want to keep the home crowd in the game and not have them knitting or going to sleep. Just me from not watching the game at all.

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  • 91jack
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    Originally posted by Roy View Post
    USD 22 of 25 FT, Jacks 8 of 10. Doubt that will happen in SF. Only the final score counts. 14-0 not easy. Go Jacks!!
    It seems like both SDSU and USD like putting their head down and taking it to the basket. SDSU just has to get there about a half step quicker or get some help. If another wing player helps out, just flair out and defend the player that the helper was guarding. You can't give USD open 3's.
    USD just seemed a step quicker most of the time. I really don't want to see Lexi and Eli trying to defend the high pick and roll many times if/when we play them in Sioux Falls. They switch that about every time and them you either have Eli guarding a much quicker PG at the top of the key or Lexi in trying to defend the other teams C in the lane. That happened time after time in the first half. I know that SDSU has defended that way for a long time but with a smaller PG and a slower post, it just doesn't work all of the time.
    I will give USD credit for being 14-0. You play that many games and you are bound to have an off night but they didn't. They just seem deeper than SDSU is. SDSU won two conference games by less that 20 points this season, not counting the USD games. They were on the road trip to Denver and Oral Roberts. Every other game was blowout. USD only beat ORU by five points and they didn't have to play Denver and ORU on the same road trip. They did win the games though.
    I just think that the Summit League is very weak this year. USD did win out but they only had 3 tough games all year. I see good things for USD and SDSU this post season but if any other Summit team plays in the post season (unless Western gets hot) will be one and done in a blowout.

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  • 91jack
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    Originally posted by SDSUAlum08 View Post
    AJ got out coached tonight. The last five minutes of the game were awful. USD deserved to win.
    I was thinking the same thing. AJ called 3 or 4 timeouts in the last minute and a half of the game. Madi got fouled in the corner on one of them (I don't know why) but the other three didn't help at all.
    I think AJ drew up the play for Macy to drive in with 38 seconds left so SDSU could get a 2 for 1 but it wasn't there. I think when he calls a play they run it regardless of what the defense does.

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  • mitchellrabbit
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    Originally posted by bigticket1 View Post
    There will be pressure on us to win it all in Sioux Falls, but there will be just as much on USD. Undefeated in regular season, 18 game win streak and they will have to beat us a third time. Lose and they get to try for another WNIT run.
    They can have the pressure. It will be all on them. Unbeaten in conference and win streak will lead to high expectations. The preseason poll means nothing. Virginias men werent ranked in the preseason poll and were number one at one point. But both teams need to remember that there are 6 other teams playing in the summit tourney. Strange things can and has happened in the first round.

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  • JACKGUYII
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    Originally posted by sdsurulz08 View Post
    Cascio-Jensen should get more minutes if we face usd in the finals for sure.
    Cascio -Jensen should not be on the floor in crunch time! She was 1-4 from with an airball and the one she made was a bad shot. Alexander and Jensen were horrible last night. I thought AJ did not sub well in the 4th quarter. Just a total melt down and gift to USD.

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  • bigticket1
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    Originally posted by jackdaniel View Post
    Only way we get to the NCAA Tournament is to win the SLT in Sioux Falls, no way we get an at-large bid now, or USD if they finish second to us, they haven't even been mentioned as an at-large team, no way to get their RPI up high enough either ,so, once again, the Summit will remain a one bid conference.
    There will be pressure on us to win it all in Sioux Falls, but there will be just as much on USD. Undefeated in regular season, 18 game win streak and they will have to beat us a third time. Lose and they get to try for another WNIT run.

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