Bad half? or a Sign of Things to Come?

[zooropa]

Re: Bad half? or a Sign of Things to Come?

.in Mens bball we have been better there no question

Pick and choose your spots, TJ...

I don't think any rational Jacks fan would argue that the D2 Jacks or early D1 Jacks were better than the Bison.

But no rational Bison fan should be horn tooting about their D2 MBB program either.

[bub94]

Re: Bad half? or a Sign of Things to Come?

I'm just curious, as you called the flu an 'excuse' as opposed to admitting that the NDSU women's team is not up to scratch vs. the SDSU women.

Actually, he was skipping the possible flu excuse the men's team had for looking a little sluggish and beat down. He flat out admitted the NDSU women's team isn't as good as SDSU. You just jumped on his back for no reason. With the amount of minutes our main players are used to seeing for the men's team, I really don't think they were healthy. When do you see Garrett on the bench with 3 minutes left in the game? This guy is used to playing a ton of minutes. It still counts as a win for the NDSU men. Time to move on. And this thread is about SDSU basketball.

[filbert]

Re: Bad half? or a Sign of Things to Come?

Apropos to this discussion:

In year seven at Kansas, Bill Self probably thought he was done having to explain his defensive philosophy.

If Bill Self is having trouble getting his guys to play his kind of defense at Kansas . . . (fill in the blank)

The fact remains that with college athletics, you're talking about 18 to 22-year-old young adults--kids, basically. They're still learning how to be disciplined, motivated adults. They have good days and bad days.

Now, it's a bit disheartening that now, the first year that the Jacks have "senior leadership," that leadership was seemingly completely absent Friday night during the second half.

But I remain hopeful that the guys on the team--especially the underclassmen-- have the capacity to learn and grow and take the correct lessons from this experience (I almost typed "debacle" there) and use it to continue to get better. The lesson is

"play as hard as you can for all 40 minutes or YOU WILL GET BEATEN by any conference opponent."

It was a bad half of basketball, but it wasn't a disaster if the proper lessons are learned, IMHO.

[NoVaJack]

Re: Bad half? or a Sign of Things to Come?

Zoo, it's clear TJBison does not know the difference between D1 and D2 and is pretty much delusional about the state of NDSU vs. SDSU right now.

[filbert]

Re: Bad half? or a Sign of Things to Come?

Does anyone know who had the FLU for sure? I have never heard anything about the flu except on this message board. Nothing from TV or Nagy. Maybe I missed it if they did. Sry

Some are calling out AC for "sleeping" .... did he have the flu?

TV mentioned it on his blog. It was mentioned on the radio broadcast . . . Merriam made a comment towards the end of the game that being sick was the reason Fiegen wasn't playing.

[couger71]

Re: Bad half? or a Sign of Things to Come?

Yeah, and several of them were out part of the preceding week with the flu.

In fact, it's probably a good thing this was the travel partner week, giving the team Thursday night off.

Did the Bison women have the flu this week too?

Does anyone know who had the FLU for sure? I have never heard anything about the flu except on this message board. Nothing from TV or Nagy. Maybe I missed it if they did. Sry

Some are calling out AC for "sleeping" .... did he have the flu?

[tjbison]

Re: Bad half? or a Sign of Things to Come?

Read my earlier post. The one that you quite obviously replied to without reading.

thru your ramblings I could only begin to maybe think your pick is Records??? i'm sure you"ll spin it some way as thats your entire motive but...in Mens bball we have been better there no question

now you want football

Records are coming into the game:

1998 NDSU (3-4) SDSU (4-3) Bison win 35-32 in Fargo
1999 NDSU (6-1) SDSU (5-1) Bison win 28-7 in Brookings
2000 NDSU (6-0) SDSU (5-1) Bison win 21-3 in Fargo*
2001 NDSU (4-2) SDSU (3-4) Bison win 45-38 in Fargo
2002 NDSU (2-4) SDSU (3-3) Jacks win 20-25 in Brookings
2003 NDSU (3-1) SDSU (3-1) Bison win 24-0 in Fargo
2004 NDSU (4-1) SDSU (3-2) Jacks win 21-24 in Brookings
2005 NDSU (6-3) SDSU (4-4) Bison win 41-17 in Fargo
2006 NDSU (10-1) SDSU (7-3) Bison win 41-28 in Fargo
2007 NDSU (10-1) SDSU (6-4) Jacks win 29-24 in Brookings
2008 NDSU (6-4) SDSU (6-5) Jacks win 25-24 in Fargo
2009 NDSU (1-5) SDSU (4-1) Jacks win 28-13 in Brookings

* went to the DII playoffs beat #1 team in first round 31-17 defeated in the semi-finals


so based on your thinking that the records show the better team since 1998 we are clearly the better program having the better record 8 of the 12 years and sorry buddy but will have to pick the head to head in 03 with the 24-0 beat down to make it 9 of 12 years we have had the better team, and yes I know your WBB is better but the other to not so much

BTW mods Zoopaloopa brought FB into this

[zooropa]

Re: Bad half? or a Sign of Things to Come?

Answer one question for me what in your little world is the factor??

Head to Head or Record???

Read my earlier post. The one that you quite obviously replied to without reading.

[tjbison]

Re: Bad half? or a Sign of Things to Come?

So it's your assertion that the Jacks' superior conference and overall records, their higher RPI & Sagarin ratings are meaningless, and the only thing that matters is the head-to-head.

AND

It's your assertion that sort of comparison only works in basketball.

Just so I know exactly how thin you're going to slice your logical contradictions......

Answer one question for me what in your little world is the factor??

Head to Head or Record???

[NoVaJack]

Re: Bad half? or a Sign of Things to Come?

LOL we've what??????? HA you guys spewed this same crap last yearand to start this year, how the PATTERN will be established...... well your right I guess 7 for 7

Jack men are still a game and a half ahead of the Bizun in the Summit after playing five of first seven conference games on the road. You have six road games left, Jacks have four. It's a pretty good bet that the Jacks will finish ahead of the Bison in the Summit. And clearly the Jacks have been better in football and women's BB for three and five years, respectively. Those are just the facts.

[zooropa]

Re: Bad half? or a Sign of Things to Come?

Man mommy needs to take your keyboard away the medication is wearing off

Ah, an ad hominem remark instead of a comment on point.

Interesting. Will have to file that away as well.

Logically, the head to head is the deciding factor or it isn't. Or perhaps there is some magical difference that can be invoked to decide the matter in favor of the Bison.

[zooropa]

Re: Bad half? or a Sign of Things to Come?

and at the end we totally physically dominated and "several" of your top guys were dragging a**

And again, to clarify.

It's your assertion that the Bison gacked it big time against Oral Roberts and Southern Utah.

How else can you explain a team that 'physically dominated' the Jacks losing to teams that SDSU beat?

Of course, we must understand that all the Jacks were 100% healthy, and none of them had the flu.

No.

That's just an 'excuse'. Apparently not unlike the excuses that will soon appear to justify the disparate results between the Bison & Jacks vs. SUU & ORU.

[tjbison]

Re: Bad half? or a Sign of Things to Come?

So it's your assertion that the Jacks' superior conference and overall records, their higher RPI & Sagarin ratings are meaningless, and the only thing that matters is the head-to-head.

AND

It's your assertion that sort of comparison only works in basketball.

Just so I know exactly how thin you're going to slice your logical contradictions......

Man mommy needs to take your keyboard away the medication is wearing off

[zooropa]

Re: Bad half? or a Sign of Things to Come?

wow well first off anybody that compares football to basketball is well........

So it's your assertion that the Jacks' superior conference and overall records, their higher RPI & Sagarin ratings are meaningless, and the only thing that matters is the head-to-head.

AND

It's your assertion that sort of comparison only works in basketball.

Just so I know exactly how thin you're going to slice your logical contradictions......

[tjbison]

Re: Bad half? or a Sign of Things to Come?

Zooropa, give the Bizon faithful a break... they know they've become clearly inferior in the D-1 era in two of the top three revenue sports and, as stated on the women's bb thread, they're losing superiority in the third. By the end of this season and with next year's recruiting class in men's BB and the maturation of this year's, that pattern will clearly be established.

LOL we've what??????? HA you guys spewed this same crap last yearand to start this year, how the PATTERN will be established...... well your right I guess 7 for 7