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  • propar80
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    Originally posted by SF_Rabbit_Fan View Post
    And we are "competing" in the Summit. If you don't believe me, ask the coaches of the 7 teams that lost to us this year and the 4 or 5 that squeaked out a win. Ask our first round Summit Tourney opponent if they think we are a competitive Summit League team.

    As far as the competition level of the Summit vs NCC, when was the last time you saw 4 dunks in an NCC game? I could be wrong, but I think it was the ORU game earlier there were 6. We've got 5-6 guys who with a half step advantage could throw down. I'm not sure we ever had 3 on even the best DII teams (anybody remember Josh Cerveny--a good post but he would get DOMINATED in the Summit). There can be no argument that there is more talent in the Summit League than the best year of the NCC.

    Everybody continually holds up Austin as the beacon of what was DII basketball at SDSU (and he was pretty darn good and fun to watch). Try asking him sometime whether the NCC or Summit are tougher. I would love to see TV do an interview with him comparing his days as DII and the current level of competition.
    This is hands down the best paragraph in this whole stinking thread. All of you who think teams in the NCC would "compete" night-in, night-out in the Summit or anyother Mid-Major Conference...just ask AH.

    Go Jacks!!

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  • Grizzled_Jack
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    Originally posted by rcjacks View Post
    Hey Zooropa, you completely misquoted me. I didn't say the "NCC schools in their heyday were better than the Summitt." I said that the upper tier NCC schools in their heyday couuld compete in the Summit. There is a big difference from what I said, and from what you said I said. Please use the quote button so you don't misquote me again.
    As I posted yesterday, Central Missouri (who I think is ranked about 7th in D2) might not be able to compete with Oral Roberts or NDSU but they definitely looked as good as SDSU or WIU when I saw them on national TV yesterday. My assumption is that they'd finish about third to fifth in the Summit and split with the Jacks.

    There was a major difference in student response, they had more than 5000 in attendance, lots of students and the students were LOUD. The Summit is hurt by having so many commuter schools, I'm sure there was nothing else to do in Warrensburg on a Saturday morning but head over to the game. I know there was some discussion of their going DI and if they do they very well might wind up in the Summit-- I wonder if the crowds will continue if they've got Centenary rather than NWMS coming in for games. (and no, I'm not advocating a return to the NCC, you can't go home again, and I paid little attention to SDSU until they did go DI-- that's what got my interest up again after 40 years).

    I just don't see a bright line between the best D2 conferences and the weaker DI's. I suspect there's plenty of overlap in most programs. The talent I saw when I ventured to WIU was certainly better than what I remember from the mid sixties, but those were pretty bad teams. I think Nagy was quoted a year or two ago as saying his best NCC teams could probably win about 17 games-- I think that's a good assessment.

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  • SF_Rabbit_Fan
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    Originally posted by rcjacks View Post
    Your post essentially summarizes what I said, not how zooropa competely rewrites my post. I didn't say the NCC teams would "win" the Summit or even "dominate" it ... I said the "upper tier" teams of the NCC in its heyday could "compete" in the Summit.
    And we are "competing" in the Summit. If you don't believe me, ask the coaches of the 7 teams that lost to us this year and the 4 or 5 that squeaked out a win. Ask our first round Summit Tourney opponent if they think we are a competitive Summit League team.

    As far as the competition level of the Summit vs NCC, when was the last time you saw 4 dunks in an NCC game? I could be wrong, but I think it was the ORU game earlier there were 6. We've got 5-6 guys who with a half step advantage could throw down. I'm not sure we ever had 3 on even the best DII teams (anybody remember Josh Cerveny--a good post but he would get DOMINATED in the Summit). There can be no argument that there is more talent in the Summit League than the best year of the NCC.

    Everybody continually holds up Austin as the beacon of what was DII basketball at SDSU (and he was pretty darn good and fun to watch). Try asking him sometime whether the NCC or Summit are tougher. I would love to see TV do an interview with him comparing his days as DII and the current level of competition.

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  • Nidaros
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    Originally posted by jackrabit1 View Post
    In the larger scheme of things this weekend, this game doesn't mean a whole lot in terms of this team's post-season destiny. Frankly, our concern should lie more with our conference games since that's our only chance of making the post-season... we sure as heck won't be getting an at-large bid to the "Big Dance"--YET!
    I do wish I had gotten on to the stream of this game but did not, but what I heard through the words of Steve Emming concerns me a great deal. Cal Poly went on a big run and bucket after bucket went in. What was going wrong with our D during this time? What was going wrong when Cal Poly was getting two to three offensive rebounds? Someone was either not in position to rebound nor where the defensive assignments being carried out. Its troubling that these things happen against a team that has won only six game and plays in a conference that is perhaps on the same level as the Summit League. These things should not have happened in this game. Its not one player, its all of them here and there not getting the job done. This is the part that bothers me, its not Kai,its the whole darn bunch. I just dont envy Coach Nagy and their staff, as they got to find ways to stop these minor meltdowns that causes us to lose games that we should not lose. Maybe its a problem of not having depth, and boy I cant wait until the Madison boys to campus. We really need them for depth if not for any other reason. If the kid from Clarinda, Iowa, Glen Miller's home town can play next year, then we got some more depth. (Anthony Davis)

    I just hope all these hand gernade and horse shoe game loses do not destroy the attitudes of the talenet we do have. In case you dont understand there is a saying "Close only counts in horse shoes and hand gernades."

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  • rcjacks
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    Originally posted by FargoBison View Post
    If you are talking about competing for 5th or 6th place than I agree, but if you are thinking compete as in win, you are not giving this league the credit it deserves.

    I can list off of a whole host of reasons...

    The travel in this league makes the NCC look like a city league.

    Last year IUPUI had a player that was drafted in the 1st round of the NBA draft but yet they didn't win the league.

    Just look at the athletes that teams like IUPUI and ORU have and have had.

    You guys beat Iowa State, IUPUI beat Seton Hall, even cellar dweller UMKC beat a pair of MVC teams. The mid to lower level teams can be sneaky good at times.

    Your post essentially summarizes what I said, not how zooropa competely rewrites my post. I didn't say the NCC teams would "win" the Summit or even "dominate" it ... I said the "upper tier" teams of the NCC in its heyday could "compete" in the Summit.

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  • CatchEmAll
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    I've held my tongue on the MBB team since early in the season...and will continue to do so.

    I just wanted to add the I enjoy the banter that takes place after Jacks losses. Good stuff. I'd throw in my two cents, but that would be a waste of space. Keep it up (fans, not the team)!

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  • rcjacks
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    Originally posted by zooropa View Post
    The "NCC schools in their heyday were better than the Summit" line is simply bogus. They weren't.

    Know why? Most of the time, the NCC BB schools weren't even good enough to win the D-2 national championship. Go look at the stats if you don't believe me.
    Hey Zooropa, you completely misquoted me. I didn't say the "NCC schools in their heyday were better than the Summitt." I said that the upper tier NCC schools in their heyday couuld compete in the Summit. There is a big difference from what I said, and from what you said I said. Please use the quote button so you don't misquote me again.

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  • Chains
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    Originally posted by rcjacks View Post
    I hate to say it, but the upper tier teams of the NCC in its hey day would compete in The Summit. The NCC was a premier DII league in its day.
    If you hate to say it, why say it? I don't have the numbers to prove it and don't have the time to dig deep enough for those numbers. That being said, I considered SDSU and NDSU as two of the top tear teams in the NCC (Men or Women) for many years. Yet, every time we played UP and ventured out of our comfort zone call the NCC we got beat. The reason - Dl teams had better athletes and that includes the Summit League. If anyone shows me differently by wins and loses than I would be happy to apologize. Yes, RC, the NCC was a premier Dll league with excellent Dll athletes - and they were Dll for a reason.

    Were there individual players that could have played at the Dl level? YES. Were there NCC teams that could compete at the D1 level? NO. No smack intended, just being honest. I loved the NCC.

    GBGBGJ

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  • jackrabit1
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    In the larger scheme of things this weekend, this game doesn't mean a whole lot in terms of this team's post-season destiny. Frankly, our concern should lie more with our conference games since that's our only chance of making the post-season... we sure as heck won't be getting an at-large bid to the "Big Dance"--YET!

    As for the folks criticizing Kai... I'd like to remind you that one person does not a team make. Michael Jordan was an outstanding player in his early years with the Bulls, but he didn't start winning titles until Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant joined the team. Moral of the story, it's a TEAM game, which means EVERYONE has to carry the load.

    On a personal note, Mrs. W, it was a pleasure to finally meet you, Mr. W and Kai at the Sioux Valley game. My broadcast schedule keeps me from going to a lot of SDSU basketball games, so it was nice to see a good State contingent out to see Chad and Tony. It might interest you that after that 30-29 game you saw, the Bulldogs turned around and hung 100 points on Canton the next night.

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  • LakeJack
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    Originally posted by zooropa View Post
    Frankly, I think quite a few of us Jackrabbit fans completely missed the boat on basketball competitiveness. I recall asserting that SDSU, while certainly not good enough to be a top 25 team in D-1, was at least good enough to be around the top 100 mark.

    That, honestly, is what our cozy little NCC with its huge stack of records and its 'too big for the pond' schools coaxed us into thinking.

    OTOH, we weren't too far off on WBB, were we? But seriously, on the WBB side, AJ said that his goal at the beginning of the transition was a top 100 team playing a top 100 schedule.

    This crop of juniors and seniors will be the last links to AJ's 'barnstormers' who played anyone anywhere at any time----and still led the NCAAs in GPA. An achievement that, somehow, we seem to shrug off as 'well, that's what they're supposed to do.'

    --

    Anyway, What you see with NDSU is an example of how tough it is to 'break into' MBB: NDSU has the most talented team that they have EVER had, and are looking for a #13 seed, maybe-------MAYBE a #12, depending on how the conference tournaments go in the Summit's peer group.
    I know was guilty of this and even now when I should know better I sometimes forget - like at the end of the game last night. It always helps to get some prospective now and then.

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  • Just in the crowd
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    Originally posted by jack power View Post
    I agree that those were good players. They also played against D11 competition. apples to oranges....
    I agree with your statement. That was when we had DII players playing against DII players. Now we have DII players playing against DI players.

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  • Nidaros
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    The Cal Poly game would never even been a close game if SDSU had consistently rebounded and covered Lewis and Thomas better on the preimeter. Certainly, we missed Clint Sarget's scoring, but his ankle is getting better. I believe we gave them too many offensive rebounds. I think its hard to hang this game on any one individual. I will bet the game video shows enough blame to hang on everyone who started and subsequently checked in at the offical scoring table. Games are not won by individuals, but as a team. The opposite outcome is no different.

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  • joeboo22
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    OK, first of all whoever thinks that Kai is having a bad year you have to first look at his stats, which are pretty decent.... and second watch a game.... If you watch a game, you can see how much he helps Cordova... Without Clint its hard for the other guards because hes the best shooter....

    I don't worry to much about this game....

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  • zooropa
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    Frankly, I think quite a few of us Jackrabbit fans completely missed the boat on basketball competitiveness. I recall asserting that SDSU, while certainly not good enough to be a top 25 team in D-1, was at least good enough to be around the top 100 mark.

    That, honestly, is what our cozy little NCC with its huge stack of records and its 'too big for the pond' schools coaxed us into thinking.

    OTOH, we weren't too far off on WBB, were we? But seriously, on the WBB side, AJ said that his goal at the beginning of the transition was a top 100 team playing a top 100 schedule.

    This crop of juniors and seniors will be the last links to AJ's 'barnstormers' who played anyone anywhere at any time----and still led the NCAAs in GPA. An achievement that, somehow, we seem to shrug off as 'well, that's what they're supposed to do.'

    --

    Anyway, What you see with NDSU is an example of how tough it is to 'break into' MBB: NDSU has the most talented team that they have EVER had, and are looking for a #13 seed, maybe-------MAYBE a #12, depending on how the conference tournaments go in the Summit's peer group.

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  • LakeJack
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    Originally posted by minnesotarabbit View Post
    This is the Summitt, not the ACC

    Ya, so? Those are both D-I conferences.


    Want to know how the last three D-II Men's Basketball National Champions that moved up to D-I are doing?

    Kennesaw State - 2004 D-II National Champion is 7-17 with a RPI of 337. They are 1-11 on the road. '04 was our last year in D-II and the NCC.

    Cal State Bakersfield - They won 3 D-II National Championships in the '90s. They are 6-18 with a RPI of 321. They are 1-13 on the road.

    UC David - They won the '98 D-II National crown and have been D-I the longest. This season they are 11-14 with a RPI of 255 and a road record of 4-7.

    Moving from D-II to D-I is a huge jump in Men's Basketball.

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