Cal Poly-Official Game Thread

[1stRowFANatic]

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Doh! How could have I forgotten.

[MontanaRabbit]

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Neither side can "prove" their assertion because teams of old can not play teams of today. It is all just opinion.

Simply not true. A few years back ESPN had the Cowboys of the nineties play the Niners of the eighties. Also involved were the Steelers of the seventies and the Packers of the sixties. It was a tournament type thing and it proved who the best team of all time was. I can't remember who won, but it left no doubt about who the best team of all time was.

So, all we have to do is have ESPN simulate the Summitt League season with the Jacks of 1963 or the Jacks of the early 2000's. This would tell us exactly who is the best and if it is actually true that the NCC teams could compete in the Summitt.

[1stRowFANatic]

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Neither side can "prove" their assertion because teams of old can not play teams of today. It is all just opinion.

[minnesotarabbit]

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No way, and how do you approve your assertion other than to say its so? The whole point of my post was that even the high points of the NCC history do not I repeat do not match the current talent of the Summit. If this was true, then why are there no more than 2 national champs and both were a long time ago. How many years since 1958? 51? 1963? 46. So how could the best in the NCC compete in the Summit?

So you need to win the D2 Championship in order to compete in the Summitt?

[Nidaros]

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No one ever said that the old NCC was better than the Summit or any other D1 conference. What was said was that that the upper tier NCC teams could compete with teams in the Summit.

No way, and how do you approve your assertion other than to say its so? The whole point of my post was that even the high points of the NCC history do not I repeat do not match the current talent of the Summit. If this was true, then why are there no more than 2 national champs and both were a long time ago. How many years since 1958? 51? 1963? 46. So how could the best in the NCC compete in the Summit?

[boxerboy]

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It was a different era but for me the hey day of SDSU mens BB was the late sixties and early seventies. The Thomas boys John, Mel, and Dave. Lee Colburn, Guy Mackner, Raul Duarte, Denny Womeldorf, John Eidness. Probably missed spelled a couple the ole gray matter was put to the test. Vern Schoolmeester great little guard.

[rcjacks]

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I dont know if this number is readily available without actually going through every roster,but how many DII players are on NBA (or even CBA) rosters ? I know there are some,but I don't think the % is very high.

There is one player currently in the NBA from the Summit and Mid-Con, that is George Hill.

http://www.thesummitleague.org/pdf5/...DB_OEM_ID=3900

[rcjacks]

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I agree with your posting, and if there was ever a loaded team in the NCC talent, it had to be when Phil Jackson was playing and was coached by two subsequent NBA coaches. (Jimmy Rogers and Bill Fitch were at UND.) You would have to look at their media guide, but I dont think they pulled any upsets against B10 and B8 teams. The NCC played many games with the B10 and B8 during the 1950's and 1960's. USD was the only one to pull an upset against Wisconsin. Maybe a year before the National Championship.

I believe the best that UND did was fourth in the Elite 8, so their past was not that great when they had a great of talent. If you think the NCC is good, ask Dr. Booher about the 1963 team, SDSU had all they could handle to get past Nebraska Wesleyn in the Regional. Seems like it took 3 overtimes. Dr Booher was the NW team as a player. If that game had been played in Lincoln Neb instead of the Barn, NWU would be talking about a national championship and not SDSU.

So the NCC was good basketball, its never was better than the Summit or any other D1 conference. The best team as with the best players are those currently on the squad.

No one ever said that the old NCC was better than the Summit or any other D1 conference. What was said was that that the upper tier NCC teams could compete with teams in the Summit.

[Nidaros]

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You hit the nail square on the head...and I didn't see any of the "our DII teams would be better than this year's team" posters acknowledging it at all. I love the NCC...it was good basketball...and we always boasted we had one of the toughest DII conferences in the nation. Yet, somehow, NCC teams through the years won two national championships...in '58 and '63. And being a national champion in DII in men's BB doesn't guarantee you any success in the transition to DI.

I know some people, who hated the move to DI, who still think (as least as recent as last year anyway) that our national championship women's team would have beaten our team last year. Are you kidding me????

I agree with your posting, and if there was ever a loaded team in the NCC talent, it had to be when Phil Jackson was playing and was coached by two subsequent NBA coaches. (Jimmy Rogers and Bill Fitch were at UND.) You would have to look at their media guide, but I dont think they pulled any upsets against B10 and B8 teams. The NCC played many games with the B10 and B8 during the 1950's and 1960's. USD was the only one to pull an upset against Wisconsin. Maybe a year before the National Championship.

I believe the best that UND did was fourth in the Elite 8, so their past was not that great when they had a great of talent. If you think the NCC is good, ask Dr. Booher about the 1963 team, SDSU had all they could handle to get past Nebraska Wesleyn in the Regional. Seems like it took 3 overtimes. Dr Booher was the NW team as a player. If that game had been played in Lincoln Neb instead of the Barn, NWU would be talking about a national championship and not SDSU.

So the NCC was good basketball, its never was better than the Summit or any other D1 conference. The best team as with the best players are those currently on the squad.

[bigticket1]

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I dont know if this number is readily available without actually going through every roster,but how many DII players are on NBA (or even CBA) rosters ? I know there are some,but I don't think the % is very high.

[Jacks#1Fan]

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Ya, so? Those are both D-I conferences.


Want to know how the last three D-II Men's Basketball National Champions that moved up to D-I are doing?

Kennesaw State - 2004 D-II National Champion is 7-17 with a RPI of 337. They are 1-11 on the road. '04 was our last year in D-II and the NCC.

Cal State Bakersfield - They won 3 D-II National Championships in the '90s. They are 6-18 with a RPI of 321. They are 1-13 on the road.

UC David - They won the '98 D-II National crown and have been D-I the longest. This season they are 11-14 with a RPI of 255 and a road record of 4-7.

Moving from D-II to D-I is a huge jump in Men's Basketball.

You hit the nail square on the head...and I didn't see any of the "our DII teams would be better than this year's team" posters acknowledging it at all. I love the NCC...it was good basketball...and we always boasted we had one of the toughest DII conferences in the nation. Yet, somehow, NCC teams through the years won two national championships...in '58 and '63. And being a national champion in DII in men's BB doesn't guarantee you any success in the transition to DI.

I know some people, who hated the move to DI, who still think (as least as recent as last year anyway) that our national championship women's team would have beaten our team last year. Are you kidding me????

[1stRowFANatic]

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Of all the old Jacks teams that I recall, I think there is only one that would have been as competitive in the Summit as the current team is. That is when Steve Lingenfelter, Jim Walker, Bob Winzenburg started on the front line going 6' 9", 6' 10", 6' 9". I admit that I don't remember well enough if the guard play on that team was quick enough to compete, the front line was as good as any I've seen in the Summit. Someone mentioned a while back about seeing 4 dunks in a game, and while I think that is meaningless statistic, it happened very often with this team. And when they were playing one of the middle to bottom teams in the NCC, they would have spurts where they would get 4 dunks in 3 minutes.

That team had something that I see with the women's team. As a game is progressing you wonder why they aren't blowing the other team off the floor and then BAM! Six or eight unanswered points in a matter of seconds; play just a little better than the other team and then BAM! All of a sudden you looked up and they had a 20 point lead, and you wonder how did they get so far ahead.

[CatchEmAll]

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I've held my tongue on the MBB team since early in the season...and will continue to do so.

I just wanted to add the I enjoy the banter that takes place after Jacks losses. Good stuff. I'd throw in my two cents, but that would be a waste of space. Keep it up (fans, not the team)!

Thanks to the anonymous "fan" for the negative rep points on this one. Just to clarify I am not "still a hater of the men's team". I'm merely staying true to my own word to not comment on the state of the team (good or bad in my own opinion). The "waste of space" comment was merely a fact, why waste more space (which I'm doing now) to rehash what's already been said in this thread. Keep up the ignorance and anonomity whoever you are. And if you really want to nutt up, PM me and I'll fill you in on what my comments would have been in this thread.


Darn it, now I've wasted all this space because someone thinks they know what I'm thinking.

[bub94]

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Have to admit reading the posts from last night after I left the site are a little shocking. First, people are questioning if Kai showed up last night. Scoring 19 points is not showing up? And having a 3 pointer roll out and Cal-Poly having a player run down to the other end when the shot was in the air for a easy basket was probably Kai's fault. Kai did not lose the game last night, the team lost.

Second, the team is better this year than last year. Last years team would not have made the Summit Tourney. This years team did. Clint will be back for the final two Summit games. The team is better offensively and defensively when Clint is playing. The team, when healthy, can challenge and beat any of the teams in the Summit.

[mitchellrabbit]

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It is what it is. Jacks will play in the post-season tourney. It is likely this team will continue to underachieve. They have proven a couple of things this year. The ability to lose games they should and the ability not to win games they could. I'm sure I'll get dinged for saying it but facts are facts. Anyone who thinks just qualifying for the post-season by other teams losing as a positive outcome is not living in the moment in my opinion. We aren't a very good team right now and the NCAA tourney is not in our near our distant future.

The part about qualifying for the post season by other teams losing, not being a positive outcome, got me thinking about the Philadelphia Eagles. They qualified for the post season this past season because Tampa Bay lost and Chicago lost on the last day of the season. How close were they to going to the Super Bowl? So the Jacks get into the post season by other teams losing. Who cares? Just so they are there and have a chance. I think the Jacks getting to SF was a lot of peoples goals when the season started. It was mine, so im happy. Strange things happen in conference tournaments during March Madness.