Cal Poly-Official Game Thread

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Good times. Mueller changed his shorts on the bench in-front of 9,000 people. That was a great game and one of the loudest games I've ever been to. And you're right, I don't know why I thought of Quentin Richardson haha.

His nickname I beleive was Q!

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It's so easy to pick a fight and make nonsense statements behind a computer screen wonder how much any of you would have to say in person....to me...bring it....

if you would like you can join us at half time of any game and talk about what we see we are right by the ice cream line talking abou the game!

See you there next year! We would love it!

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Well it is kind of silly to make that argument tonight and I think it is uncool to pick a fight with Kai's mom.

I would say that it is really silly for a parent to get on here and ask us our prespective on the game. Do that in silence and just read what everyone has to say. Kai played good tonight. This conversation should not have even started, but since it did what do these numbers mean:

49 percent to 39 percent

37 percent to 27 percent

numbers do not lie!

[Nidaros]

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From my freshman year in 1991 to the transition I do not recall either the MBB or WBB teams playing a regular season game against a DI opponent. Prior to that I don't know if there were any.

I believe the rule for D1 members currently in force limits the number of D2 and NAIA teams on a schedule. These games which most of us are aware are considered non-counters. I dont recall exactly when this rules were adopted by the NCAA, but before the rule, D2 members could and did schedule some D1 games. I believe the 1985 team played Kansas close. Also seems like in the early 1980's there were as many as 4 to 5 D1 schools on the schedule. These games were always away and early in the season. Also these games were a source of revenue. I think some where in the late 1980's, these rules for non counters were adopted and after that the market for D1 games dried up for D2 schools.

My recollection of the 1950's and 1960 games were that SDSU did on few occasions play a few close games with D1 teams, but never a win to their credit with the exception of USD win over Wisconsin in 1956-57, I believe. I don't think our 1963 team could have beat Loyola of Chicago, since they were the 1963 University NCAA Champions. D1 known as the Univeristy Division was much different. They had regions, but no RPI's and no mid majors or any of the current terminolgy. Also the CBS Big Dance TV contract did not exist nor were their big bucks for Loyola in 1963. This too, adds to the lack of comparability.

[CatchEmAll]

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I attended from 86 - 91 and there was one game I remember circa 89 when SDSU went to Michigan and played the eventual national champs. I believe the final was at least a 40 point margin and the players commented that Michigan players were essentially toying with them for most of the second half.

P.S. Congrats to Catchem for having 3 posts now in a thread he said he was going to stay away from. Those traffic accidents always suck you in!

The Michigan game sounds familiar. Good memory.

And yes, I got sucked in, but still have not made any comments directly related to the MBB team. So for that part I'm still holding to my promise to myself. Got caught rubbernecking though.

[EQguy]

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I attended from 86 - 91 and there was one game I remember circa 89 when SDSU went to Michigan and played the eventual national champs. I believe the final was at least a 40 point margin and the players commented that Michigan players were essentially toying with them for most of the second half.

P.S. Congrats to Catchem for having 3 posts now in a thread he said he was going to stay away from. Those traffic accidents always suck you in!

[CatchEmAll]

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I assume we played some D1 teams from time to time when we were D2. What kind of record did we have in those games?

From my freshman year in 1991 to the transition I do not recall either the MBB or WBB teams playing a regular season game against a DI opponent. Prior to that I don't know if there were any.

[NoVaJack]

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Zooropa,
Actually the only fact does not support your arguments. Teams change from year to year so saying that because current teams don't have success means past teams would not have fared better is only an opinion. Neither side can prove their opinion unless they have the power of ESPN at their disposal.

This string has reminided me of the stories of oldtimers walking uphill to school and then, darn it, uphill back home each day. Through 11 feet of snow and 14 miles one way. Sharing boots. In other words, they just don't make kids like they used to, and things were just better and tougher back then!!
IMHO the game on all levels is so advanced over what it was 30 years ago, on all levels, that it's folly to compare eras. In the '70s, kids didn't play basketball year-round, and chances are in the '70s a 6-5 kid reported for bb practice directly from the football field and was automatically told to play with his back to the basket. Today, he's a point guard. A one-sport point guard.

[1stRowFANatic]

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Zooropa,
Actually the only fact does not support your arguments. Teams change from year to year so saying that because current teams don't have success means past teams would not have fared better is only an opinion. Neither side can prove their opinion unless they have the power of ESPN at their disposal.

[Jacks-02]

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I assume we played some D1 teams from time to time when we were D2. What kind of record did we have in those games?

I went to school from 1997 to 2002 and I can't think of any that the men played during that time. I think the women's team may have had a couple exhibition games and if I remember correctly they lost.

[JimmyJack]

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I assume we played some D1 teams from time to time when we were D2. What kind of record did we have in those games?

[zooropa]

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Hey Zooropa, you completely misquoted me. I didn't say the "NCC schools in their heyday were better than the Summitt." I said that the upper tier NCC schools in their heyday couuld compete in the Summit. There is a big difference from what I said, and from what you said I said. Please use the quote button so you don't misquote me again.

The reason why I used double quotes (probably should've used singles) is because I wasn't directly referencing YOUR exact words, rather an opinion that I've seen and heard all too often. The opinion that there is a narrow gap between D-1 & D-2 basketball.

Frankly, the statistics posted showing the struggles of D-2 powerhouses (schools that could've handily cleaned the clock of any NCC school during the 90s and 00s) in D-1 IMO establishes the point beyond question.

One cannot stare at the facts of the matter (struggles of D-2 championship programs at D-1) and support any variety of the "NCC schools would 'compete' in the Summit" opinion on any basis more substantial than wishful thinking.

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Now that we're D-1, it's interesting to me to see the revival of the "Real D-1 schools are....." opinion. You remember, don't you? Back before the move, it was said, "SDSU can't compete with (insert BCS school here)." Now the mirror opposite is being used--any team SDSU beats is being relegated to "no better than D-2".

This is, basically, proof that you can't win with some people--that confirmatin bias is something some people are happily unaware of, and so on and so forth.

[Nidaros]

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So you need to win the D2 Championship in order to compete in the Summitt?

No not necessarily, it just indicates that the NCC was not as good in D2 as we thought it was. If we tell ourselves untruths over and over through the methods of puffing, they can become truth in some peoples minds. Puffing for your information is a selling technique used in the sale of new and used cars.

[jacks1]

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Good times. Mueller changed his shorts on the bench in-front of 9,000 people. That was a great game and one of the loudest games I've ever been to. And you're right, I don't know why I thought of Quentin Richardson haha.

You were on the right track. Marquise went by "Q" while he was here....and yes, I too think he was the best on-the-ball defender I've ever seen in a Jacks uniform.

I think it's safe to say that this thread has completely blown up. As low as things look right now, we've seen what this team can do with home cookin' and I think (...hope) Sioux Falls could be just what the guys need!

[State_fan]

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Simply not true. A few years back ESPN had the Cowboys of the nineties play the Niners of the eighties. Also involved were the Steelers of the seventies and the Packers of the sixties. It was a tournament type thing and it proved who the best team of all time was. I can't remember who won, but it left no doubt about who the best team of all time was.

So, all we have to do is have ESPN simulate the Summitt League season with the Jacks of 1963 or the Jacks of the early 2000's. This would tell us exactly who is the best and if it is actually true that the NCC teams could compete in the Summitt.

Exactly, just like how ESPN accurately predicted Rocky Balboa would defeat Mason "The Line" Dixon.

This process could settle a lot of arguments about how SDSU is superior to USD as well. Lets get this thing going!