Dakota Marker Game

[JimmyJack]

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I have. While the first post may have intended for one thing, it sure didn't stay there. Most people took it a different direction--the officiating being the "screw job." Do you disagree with that?

I already said there was no smack intended whatsoever with my post.

Got ya. You and UTH are right, there is a parallel here. We mocked some NDSU fans who were whining about the officiating in the Dakota Marker game. That was certainly not the majority of NDSU fans. But there was a significant minority complaining and saying that SDSU would not have won without the disputed calls going our way.

And in our "screw job" thread, there are some SDSU fans who believe the officials cost us the game at Baylor. Others don't (that was the only reason I suggested you read the thread.)

If I see where you're going, I guess I'd have to agree. There is irony there. I'm happier when nobody is complaining about the officials. I don't think the officials "cost" NDSU the marker. And I don't think the officials stole the Baylor game. NDSU had chances to win in Fargo. And we had our chances to win in Lubbock. At some point, the officials (and their errors, too) are just another part of the game. Players have to make plays. Baylor's guard Griffin made a great play. Ryan Berry made a series of great plays. That's football/basketball.

[JackJD]

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SDSU was the better team this year, but if we take care of our own business, we win the game. Oh well, that was the story of our whole season. It happens.

nells: I see the main point of your post about some SDSU fans griping about refs in the Baylor game. I pick at the above portion of your post. I disagree with the "we (NDSU) take care of business and we (NDSU) win the game." If SDSU eliminated some of its mistakes in that same game, the Jackrabbit margin of victory grows. If Berry stayed in the game, the score would have approached lopsided.

[nells]

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Might want to read that thread.

I have. While the first post may have intended for one thing, it sure didn't stay there. Most people took it a different direction--the officiating being the "screw job." Do you disagree with that?

I already said there was no smack intended whatsoever with my post.

[JimmyJack]

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There is a thread on the Women's Basketball board entitled "NCAA Screw Job" so I would hesitate to start pointing fingers at NDSU for thread topics.

Might want to read that thread.

[nells]

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When it comes to close games there will always be those who look for others to point the finger at. As an NDSU grad and die-hard Bison fan, I too found myself looking at some of the calls that went against us, but then I reminded myself that we flat out missed two field goals that had nothing to do with the officials or SDSU. We left six points on the field because of our own doing; no one else to blame. SDSU was the better team this year, but if we take care of our own business, we win the game. Oh well, that was the story of our whole season. It happens.

There is a thread on the Women's Basketball board entitled "NCAA Screw Job" so I would hesitate to start pointing fingers at NDSU for thread topics. The Jack women had one helluva run, and I was behind them the whole way. I would have loved to see them advance further. Questionable calls? Sure. But if they take care of their own business--missed layups and freethrows--then those calls do not matter. No smack intended here whatsoever. But to label everyone as whiners and criers is asinine. Every institution has some--XXSU's included.

I have roamed the boards for a while now, and there are some posters on both sides that just make a person shake their head and wish they were from somewhere else. Best of luck to the Jacks. I root for you guys when you aren't playing the Bison.

[EQguy]

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Not to go all Bill Clinton or anything but I think it comes down to the difference in bitching and blaming. Everyone bitches about reffing (as in the Summit League refereeing situation) but blaming officiating on a loss is a whole other level. We officially jumped that shark after the Baylor game.

[UTH]

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There's a difference. We were complaining when we WON compared to when we lost only. I'm as guilty as the next for complaining about the refs, but it's a whole different story when we win compared to when we lose.

If that makes sense when you say it to yourself in the mirror, then it must be true. Carry on.

[mango4]

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Idk, I heard a lot of complaining about Summit League officiating this year.

There's a difference. We were complaining when we WON compared to when we lost only. I'm as guilty as the next for complaining about the refs, but it's a whole different story when we win compared to when we lose.

[RabbitObsessed]

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The difference being this...When SDSU loses a game fans don't generally blame the refs, injuries, etc. When NDSU loses a game your board is full of people blaming anything and everything they possibly can. There's even a thread on bisonville titled, "Were Injuries a Big Part of the 2008 Season?"

http://www.bisonville.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15610

Idk, I heard a lot of complaining about Summit League officiating this year.

[Rabbitlivinginverm]

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The difference being this...When SDSU loses a game fans don't generally blame the refs, injuries, etc. When NDSU loses a game your board is full of people blaming anything and everything they possibly can. There's even a thread on bisonville titled, "Were Injuries a Big Part of the 2008 Season?"

http://www.bisonville.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15610

[UTH]

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No problem. You caught me at a grumpy moment. Sorry about that. I do get what you're saying.

I'm determined not to complain about the refs too much. My wife, by the way, disagrees and is really mad about the officiating in the Baylor game. And she was dismissive of those Bison fans who were mad about the officiating in the Dakota Marker game. So your point hits close to home.

I hope it doesn't put you on the couch!

[JimmyJack]

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Simple laziness (hit 'quote' instead of 'post reply').

I won't disagree that you've been been consistent and I'm not looking to bother calling out any specific people, either - that'd just lead to a stupid pissing match.

I'll go back and delete the quote for you...

No problem. You caught me at a grumpy moment. Sorry about that. I do get what you're saying.

I'm determined not to complain about the refs too much. My wife, by the way, disagrees and is really mad about the officiating in the Baylor game. And she was dismissive of those Bison fans who were mad about the officiating in the Dakota Marker game. So your point hits close to home.

[UTH]

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I've been consistent in pointing out that several bad possessions in the second half were what lost the game for us vs. Baylor. I didn't like the officiating, but that's not what lost the game for us.

Here's what I said:




So why exactly are you quoting me to make your little hypocrisy point?

Simple laziness (hit 'quote' instead of 'post reply').

I won't disagree that you've been been consistent and I'm not looking to bother calling out any specific people, either - that'd just lead to a stupid pissing match.

I'll go back and delete the quote for you...

[JimmyJack]

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Been biting my tongue for days... This ought to be a good opportunity for several around here to compare their own posts in this tale of two threads.



I won't disagree that bad reffing can affect a game and won't criticize the frustration that's been expressed in a certain other thread.

I've been consistent in pointing out that several bad possessions in the second half were what lost the game for us vs. Baylor. I didn't like the officiating, but that's not what lost the game for us.

Here's what I said:

During one stretch near the end, we had a missed three by Young, a phantom foul and three-point play by Baylor, an airballed three by Muck, and a turnover by Rotert.

Any one of those possessions goes differently, and we're not having this discussion. It's just basketball.

So why exactly are you quoting me to make your little hypocrisy point?

[UTH]

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Been biting my tongue for days... This ought to be a good opportunity for several around here to compare their own posts in this tale of two threads.



I won't disagree that bad reffing can affect a game and won't criticize the frustration that's been expressed in a certain other thread.