Official Jimmy Rogers Investigation Thread

[discoDancinRabbit]

I should let this thread die but I have it on good authority that Jimmy and former staff were sending pissed off texts to at least some former players that were active in reaching out to current players and recruits encouraging them to stick with SDSU or at least take their time. Imagine the gall....

Imagine a coach serving the interests of their employer. The more I think about it the less of a problem it is and just an overreaction from fans. Which I guess is as expected. Im personally completely past it.

[MontanaRabbit]

Imagine a coach serving the interests of their employer. The more I think about it the less of a problem it is and just an overreaction from fans. Which I guess is as expected. Im personally completely past it.

I get what you are saying but not sure I totally agree. Jimmy taking the WSU job? Great, good luck do not blame him one bit. The full court press to try to take as many SDSU players as possible when there is literally no one left to try to convince (or even discuss their future at SDSU) them otherwise? There is just something wrong with that on so many levels.

I think Tucker Kraft's tweet about how the same coaches that were trying to convince you to stay last year are now trying to convince you to leave is pretty spot on. At the end of the day, I don't believe the majority of coaches really give a rat's ass about what is best for the player. There are likely going to be several players that transferred from SDSU to WSU that end up regretting that decision. The 3 RBs are a perfect example. At least one of them probably gets buried on the depth chart. Playing at a "lower level" school would be much more beneficial than sitting at the FBS level.

[discoDancinRabbit]

I get what you are saying but not sure I totally agree. Jimmy taking the WSU job? Great, good luck do not blame him one bit. The full court press to try to take as many SDSU players as possible when there is literally no one left to try to convince (or even discuss their future at SDSU) them otherwise? There is just something wrong with that on so many levels.

I think Tucker Kraft's tweet about how the same coaches that were trying to convince you to stay last year are now trying to convince you to leave is pretty spot on. At the end of the day, I don't believe the majority of coaches really give a rat's ass about what is best for the player. There are likely going to be several players that transferred from SDSU to WSU that end up regretting that decision. The 3 RBs are a perfect example. At least one of them probably gets buried on the depth chart. Playing at a "lower level" school would be much more beneficial than sitting at the FBS level.

Surely Jimmy has built up plenty of store credit over the years. Which means this one’s on the house if you will. At least his right to recruit the players.

[Jacked_Up]

The incoming players were recruited at SDSU's time and expense with, at the time, SDSU employees. When someone changes jobs, how many employers are going to cheerfully let them take months of work and data with them to a competitor?
In addition, few of the roster players apparently were in the portal when they initially were approached to transfer to WSU. Aren't roster players, by NCAA rule, supposed to be in the portal before they can be recruited by other teams?
Both types of player poaching are sleazy and ethically questionable, at best, especially when the head recruiter also drained SDSU of assistant coaches who might have offered a counter pitch.

[Jacked_Up]

I don't begrudge Rogers or his assistants for leaving for higher paying and possibly better jobs. However, I do fault Rogers for the quick-strike way that SDSU recruits and players were wooed to Washington State. I give credit to the players and recruits who at least held off on making a decision until SDSU had a new head coach.

[MontanaRabbit]

I don't begrudge Rogers or his assistants for leaving for higher paying and possibly better jobs. However, I do fault Rogers for the quick-strike way that SDSU recruits and players were wooed to Washington State. I give credit to the players and recruits who at least held off on making a decision until SDSU and a new head coach.

This is 100% where I'm at.

The players are really getting taken advantage of.

At the end of the day the NCAA needs to establish some rules to protect players from bad actors. Unfortunately, I have no confidence that is going to happen at least under the current NCAA leader.

[filbert]

This is 100% where I'm at.

The players are really getting taken advantage of.

At the end of the day the NCAA needs to establish some rules to protect players from bad actors. Unfortunately, I have no confidence that is going to happen at least under the current NCAA leader.

"The players getting taken advantage of" was the argument which opened the whole NIL can of worms, and that along with the avarice of (primarily) the Big 10 and SEC has effectively taken any out of the NCAA's hands any ability to control the situation in the first place.

[bigticket1]

"The players getting taken advantage of" was the argument which opened the whole NIL can of worms, and that along with the avarice of (primarily) the Big 10 and SEC has effectively taken any out of the NCAA's hands any ability to control the situation in the first place.

The NCAA tied their own hands by sticking their heads in the sand and ignoring the issue for years.

[discoDancinRabbit]

A simple adjustment and one I'd be in favor of is bringing back the 1 year sit period for any transfer. Get paid as much as you can and transfer as much as you like before your eligiblility runs out, but you're going to have to sit a year before you can play if you choose to switch schools for any reason other than the obvious (coaching change etc.)

In an alternate universe where everybody wasn't trying to win at all costs I don't think the ncaa would need to do that but you have to do something to pump the brakes.

[mnjackrbt]

A simple adjustment and one I'd be in favor of is bringing back the 1 year sit period for any transfer. Get paid as much as you can and transfer as much as you like before your eligiblility runs out, but you're going to have to sit a year before you can play if you choose to switch schools for any reason other than the obvious (coaching change etc.)

In an alternate universe where everybody wasn't trying to win at all costs I don't think the ncaa would need to do that but you have to do something to pump the brakes.

That I would be in favor of. It used to be pretty typical that you'd redshirt your first year have 4 years to play. You had to think long and hard if you wanted to transfer because you would now have sat out for 2/5 of your eligibility. With COVID times, not sitting out a year for transferring, so many athletes have 6 years of actual competition now.

[MontanaRabbit]

That I would be in favor of. It used to be pretty typical that you'd redshirt your first year have 4 years to play. You had to think long and hard if you wanted to transfer because you would now have sat out for 2/5 of your eligibility. With COVID times, not sitting out a year for transferring, so many athletes have 6 years of actual competition now.

Or allow a one-time no penalty transfer and subsequent transfers would require you to sit.

For a player getting buried on the depth chart would be unfortunate and allowing a one-time no penalty transfer may allow them to find a situation where they can play.

There isn't a universe where you can convince me that an athlete benefits from attending 3, 4, or 5 different schools on the academic side of things. For instance, Clifton McDowell, how many universities has he attended? David Jenkins Jr is another example; SDSU, UNLV, Utah, Purdue.

[filbert]

Or allow a one-time no penalty transfer and subsequent transfers would require you to sit.

For a player getting buried on the depth chart would be unfortunate and allowing a one-time no penalty transfer may allow them to find a situation where they can play.

There isn't a universe where you can convince me that an athlete benefits from attending 3, 4, or 5 different schools on the academic side of things. For instance, Clifton McDowell, how many universities has he attended? David Jenkins Jr is another example; SDSU, UNLV, Utah, Purdue.

The one-time no penalty transfer rule would last only until a player decided to sue the institution, NCAA, or whoever for a second (third, fourth) transfer. Exactly analogous to NIL. The issue is that college athletics has no anti-trust exemption, and so any such restriction would likely be seen as in illegal, just as restrictions on NIL were illegal.

At this point, I fear that the whole mess which is college athletics requires Congressional action to fix--or at least, to put some guardrails in.

[discoDancinRabbit]

The one-time no penalty transfer rule would last only until a player decided to sue the institution, NCAA, or whoever for a second (third, fourth) transfer. Exactly analogous to NIL. The issue is that college athletics has no anti-trust exemption, and so any such restriction would likely be seen as in illegal, just as restrictions on NIL were illegal.

At this point, I fear that the whole mess which is college athletics requires Congressional action to fix--or at least, to put some guardrails in.

I'm no expert but why on Earth are there no anti-trust exemptions for college athletics? We are talking about student athletes here and if we aren't then the colleges should just bring in 33 year old semi-pros that have nothing to do with the universities to play for the sports team. I sure as fudge don't want that and I won't speak for anybody else but I don't want that. It sounds like the NCAA can't even do its job because of a lack of anti-trust exemption.

[RahRahRabbits]

The one-time no penalty transfer rule would last only until a player decided to sue the institution, NCAA, or whoever for a second (third, fourth) transfer. Exactly analogous to NIL. The issue is that college athletics has no anti-trust exemption, and so any such restriction would likely be seen as in illegal, just as restrictions on NIL were illegal.

At this point, I fear that the whole mess which is college athletics requires Congressional action to fix--or at least, to put some guardrails in.

NCAA tried the 1-free transfer, sit 1-year for each transfer after that rule already last year. It was nearly immediately challenged with an antitrust lawsuit, and quickly stricken down by a single US District Court judge with at least a preliminary injunction. 10 state+DC were on the lawsuit in January 2024 claiming the enforcement of transfer rules violated Section 1 of the Sherman Antitrust Act of.... 1890.... In May 2024, NCAA settled that lawsuit and agreed to permanently rescind any rules restricting athlete's transfer eligibility.

NYT/The Athletic source (short summary)
National Law Review source (detailed)

These dominos that keep falling against NCAA (when is the last time they WON a lawsuit? 1978?) are a huge reason why college athletics are descending into chaos so quickly. NCAA has learned they can't reign in anything without losing an expensive lawsuit now... it's seriously only a matter of time until they are sued to get rid of all eligibility criteria period. Miami wants to buy Georgia's QB at halftime? Sure, go change your uniform....

[discoDancinRabbit]

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