Game day: UND

[sfjacksfan99]

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To have a championship mentality the Jacks, from the coaches down to the fans, can't be happy with 1-0. I do agree 1-0 is a great attitude to have, no looking ahead. But look at the other team north of us. Their coaches down to their fans are arrogant and have swagger week in and week out. Look where they have been and once again have their eyes on the prize. Blue and yellow have the talent to stand in their way, in a big way. But the Jacks have to look each and every opponent straight in the eyes and say "we're going to kick your ass up and down the field in every way for four quarters".

[jack power]

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I know it's already been mentioned a few times in this thread, but our coaches just don't have a killer instinct. Seriously though, the game that shall not be mentioned in 2009, SIU Hobo Day game a couple of years ago, YSU and even USD last year, now UND....these are just the games that I know of since 2009. The only blowouts I remember in this time frame where we smelled blood and went for the kill for Georgia Southern in 2009 and EIU last year and Indiana State a few years ago when they were losing to NAIA), we also killed YSU in 2008...Butler doesn't count because we were just way more talented. We need to quit trying to hurt feelings or what ever it is!

With that said our running game was awesome, especially considering they were stacking the box and knew what we were going to do. Sumner was a little shaky, he had some nice throws and some really bad ones. Same goes for Schneider, he had an awesome TD where he bailed out Sumner, but man that drops haunts me when we where up by 14. Our defense was great for the first 2.5 quarters, you are going to give up yards to offenses like UND, the key is to shut them down once they reach the 40 yd line, and we did. A guy like Hardin is going to get his yards no matter who they play. We weren't allowing them those 15 yard outs during the first part of the game, but decided to back off and give them in the 4th.....needless to say, I hate prevent defense. Overall though, 4th quarter play calling and execution sucked.

I guess a win is a win and I will always take being 2-0 over 1-1. SELA is going to be a dogfight, we aren't going to push them around like last year.

GO JACKS!!! RUN RABBITS!!!

That's what is even more remarkable about Zenner's performance,UND knew he was going to get the ball so they were keying on him.Along with his speed he has incredible balance and vision. He's just a special player.

I also share in your hate of prevent defense. It's like telling the other team "we're going to let you get drive down the field and maybe score but we hope it takes a long time".

[Nidaros]

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That's what is even more remarkable about Zenner's performance,UND knew he was going to get the ball so they were keying on him.Along with his speed he has incredible balance and vision. He's just a special player.

And to think he wants to be an MD, seems to be a waste of talent. I agree about the prevent defense, but do have to credit the UND offense, they did not want be down by 4 scores, game over. We really sputtered on O for about two or three series.

[JackJD]

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I admit that during and after yesterday's game, I questioned whether we had a killer instinct, whether we let up on the gas, whether we went too conservative, etc. etc. I then had to remind myself of the games in which SDSU came from behind to win...remember the inaugural D-1 season, 2004? The very first D-1-era win against a D-1 team was in Baton Rouge, LA. Brad Nelson's 10-yd pass play to Greg Peitz (big brother of current Jacks Matt and Tom) for the go-ahead and winning score with 4:53 to go in the game. Our host that day, Southern U, the perennial SWAC contender and, the defending SWAC Champs, was stunned 31-24. A couple weeks later, we hosted our friends from Fargo (Bison were 8-3 that season, we were 6-4) and Bison had the game under control although they couldn't get more than one TD difference. With a little over two minutes to go, the Jacks go for their final drive...they have to cover 80 yards and score a TD to win. And we did. With :39 second on the clock, Nelson hit Chris Molitor on a 10-yd TD pass. Parker Douglass kicked the PAT and no more points were scored. As is often the case in such game, the Bison, working with just 39 second, were intercepted in their last-gasp attempt to get to the endzone. SDSU 24, NDSU 21.

A team with talent that is behind, is very dangerous. The Jacks have been in that position many times and have come from behind to win. UND was very dangerous yesterday. They have some talented athletes and they may have an emerging stud quarterback (or two). But, the game was lost for UND in every sense of the word except there was still time on the clock. So, they went for broke. Their freshman quarterback quit thinking, shifted to auto-pilot and put his considerable talent to work. Hardin, the great receiver, will likely be playing on Sundays in a couple of years.

I think our pass attempts to get away from the endzone looked poorly planned and executed and yet, those are exactly the kinds of plays that had they worked, the word "brilliant" would be appended to every SDSU coach's and every SDSU player's name. (I think I've read on this same message board people questioning whether our coaches have any imagination.)

And then there's this word "swagger". Yeah, I get what the point is. I saw swagger in the Alerus Center yesterday. It was commonly displayed by UND's players in the first five minutes or so. Got them real far, didn't it. I'll take quiet confidence, get-the-damn-job-done effort over swagger any day. Zach Zenner doesn't have to celebrate. Neither do Schneider, Lally, Sumner, Butler,...go on down the line.

Go Jacks! Great win. We don't have very many in Grand Forks in recent memory. Bigger test coming up this weekend.

[RabbitObsessed]

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I haven't read through this thread, and I didn't get a chance to watch/listen, but can anyone tell me why our passing game performed so poorly when they had to be keying against the run? (I mean, maybe they didn't, judging by the stats?)

Passing game has GOT to be better if we want to have any chance of beating NDSU.

Also, I think MD mentioned that we never went Cam Jones' way. That seems like a good idea ...

Ugh.

[TK22867]

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And then there's this word "swagger". Yeah, I get what the point is. I saw swagger in the Alerus Center yesterday. It was commonly displayed by UND's players in the first five minutes or so. Got them real far, didn't it. I'll take quiet confidence, get-the-damn-job-done effort over swagger any day. Zach Zenner doesn't have to celebrate. Neither do Schneider, Lally, Sumner, Butler,...go on down the line.

Go Jacks! Great win.

Great win? You've got to be kidding me.

That "swagger" got UND to within 7 points of knocking off the #6 team in the country.

That "quiet confidence" damn near blew a 3 td lead.

I totally despise the 1-0 concept. For those of you on that boat, would you have been happy with a 1 point win over Butler last week since we would have been "1-0"?

[JackJD]

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I started my prior post with the statement that I, too, said where's the killer instinct, etc. etc. And there are times I've said I wished our athletes showed some swagger. But, when you think about it, UND's swagger was gone after the Jacks punched in their first TD. UND in the last quarter didn't have any swagger. They were dead men with no choices left. Swagger had nothing to do with how UND was playing in the fourth quarter. I've seen enough come-from-behind wins that I have to give credit to the team that manages to hang on to a win in the face of a team charging from behind.

The 1-0 concept is simply the constant reminder that you have to win the game in front of you and worry about the following weekend after getting the present job done. It's nothing more.

Of course the answer to your final question is "no". I would have walked out of CAS wondering what in heck was going on with a one point victory over Butler; but, that's not the point. We focused on the Butler game and got the job done and the final score is about what it should have been. 1-0. Next, we focused on UND and got the job done. In my view, the final score was not indicative of how we played much of the game. I don't place all of the blame for our troubles in the fourth quarter on the Jackrabbits. I think a lot of credit has to go to UND. (I've been watching SDSU football since the early 70s and in that time, we've had real trouble with the Whioux).

I have no problem with people questioning what was going on in the fourth quarter. I assume the coaches and players had the same questions (Stig's post-game comments included his statement that there was an "awkward feeling" in the locker room based on how the game turned out. (See the story in today's Argus.)

[JackJD]

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Win-loss records may not mean much in some cases but I think we have to keep in mind the home field advantage that exists at UND's Alerus Center: UND is 67-13 in 12 seasons at the Alerus. They've been undefeated in the building in 2003, 2004 and 2006. The head coach -- it seems he has only mediocre support among UND fans -- is 21-9 in the Alerus and this year's win over Valpo was his fourth-straight home-opener win. The place is loud (and I think we handled the noise quite well --- my guess is there were maybe three plays in which it seems the crowd noise was a strong, adverse factor). Going into the game, SDSU was 1-9 playing inside glorified garages.

[slosho]

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Also contained is a video on Cheerleading who does offer scholarships, something we might consider at SDSU.

Two Options here.
1. Donate the money to fund this and it can happen! I'm sure they will gladly take your money.

2. Tell Mr. Sell you think it is a good Idea that they should start and then have him placate you.

As it stands the Cheer and dance teams spend their own money to participate.

And for the record it is AD Justin Sell not Sells. Please let's all work to try and get this correct I read this Wrong on hear quite often, he has been the AD for quite some time and has probably earned us getting his name correct.

[BigGoosie13]

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Not going to lie, this whole "Swagger" discussion is silly. Their is a distinct difference between confidence and swagger. Confidence is knowing your abilities, and how to accomplish your goals. Swagger is thinking you need to show everybody what you've done, whether it's worthy of praise or not--- basically thinking you're a badass. Part of confidence is dominance, not only feeling good in your abilities, but actually asserting your abilities. You need confidence to win, not swagger.

Take a look at AJ McCarron and Johnny Manziel, they are both very confident in their abilities and team. The difference between them is not swagger, it's cockiness. Manziel wants everybody to know how awesome he is while winning and McCarron just wants to win. The U back in the day didn't play with swagger, they were confident and cocky. They also felt the need to show the world how great they were. Look at Bama, they just show up and play (with confidence and dominance) every week...they don't feel the need to show their opponents their accomplishments. Hell, look at the Louisville and Florida bowl game last year. Louisville showed up just to play ball while Florida showed up to show everybody how badass they were (swagger), they literally had to **** off and make gestures after every play (stupidity). Results of the Game? Louisville whooped Florida's ass. Football is an emotional game and you need to show emotion after big plays, but not every dang play. Would Zenner be a better running back if he played with more swagger? NO!!! Zenner is good because he knows what he is capable of and is willing to put the work in to be the best (on the field and in the classroom).

To me it is more intimidating, when after a player makes a big play they just get up and go back to the huddle or hand the ball to the ref, the player isn't impressed with themselves as they expected to do what they did (didn't the Georgia Southern or McNeese State coach once say how impressed they were on how SDSU knocked them down, helped them up, and went back to huddle like nothing happened). Our 2008 and 2009 teams played with an attitude like that and we are starting to develop this attitude again.

Having a killer instinct isn't related to swagger, it is just more of a personality thing. Generally the team reflects the coaches personality, and sometimes Coach Stig is just too nice. This is D-1 football against other D-1 teams, feelings need to be left out.

[RabbitObsessed]

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Not going to lie, this whole "Swagger" discussion is silly. Their is a distinct difference between confidence and swagger. Confidence is knowing your abilities, and how to accomplish your goals. Swagger is thinking you need to show everybody what you've done, whether it's worthy of praise or not--- basically thinking you're a badass. Part of confidence is dominance, not only feeling good in your abilities, but actually asserting your abilities. You need confidence to win, not swagger.

Take a look at AJ McCarron and Johnny Manziel, they are both very confident in their abilities and team. The difference between them is not swagger, it's cockiness. Manziel wants everybody to know how awesome he is while winning and McCarron just wants to win. The U back in the day didn't play with swagger, they were confident and cocky. They also felt the need to show the world how great they were. Look at Bama, they just show up and play (with confidence and dominance) every week...they don't feel the need to show their opponents their accomplishments. Hell, look at the Louisville and Florida bowl game last year. Louisville showed up just to play ball while Florida showed up to show everybody how badass they were (swagger), they literally had to **** off and make gestures after every play (stupidity). Results of the Game? Louisville whooped Florida's ass. Football is an emotional game and you need to show emotion after big plays, but not every dang play. Would Zenner be a better running back if he played with more swagger? NO!!! Zenner is good because he knows what he is capable of and is willing to put the work in to be the best (on the field and in the classroom).

To me it is more intimidating, when after a player makes a big play they just get up and go back to the huddle or hand the ball to the ref, the player isn't impressed with themselves as they expected to do what they did (didn't the Georgia Southern or McNeese State coach once say how impressed they were on how SDSU knocked them down, helped them up, and went back to huddle like nothing happened). Our 2008 and 2009 teams played with an attitude like that and we are starting to develop this attitude again.

Having a killer instinct isn't related to swagger, it is just more of a personality thing. Generally the team reflects the coaches personality, and sometimes Coach Stig is just too nice. This is D-1 football against other D-1 teams, feelings need to be left out.

Is this a serious attempt to breakdown the difference between confidence and "swagger"? ...


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[BigGoosie13]

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Is this a serious attempt to breakdown the difference between confidence and "swagger"? ...


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Oh gosh no, it simply started out as a simple 3 line post with me stating how stupid I think this whole "swagger" thing is and that confidence is where it's at...then I accidentally stepped onto a soap box and started rant. When I have alcohol and time I tend to be a bit chatty.

[JackJD]

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Oh gosh no, it simply started out as a simple 3 line post with me stating how stupid I think this whole "swagger" thing is and that confidence is where it's at...then I accidentally stepped onto a soap box and started rant. When I have alcohol and time I tend to be a bit chatty.

Been there!

[RowdyRabbit]

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Well said, but, not gonna lie...I giggled reading this while seeing the old NWO guys (pretty much the embodyment of swag)as your avatar!

Not going to lie, this whole "Swagger" discussion is silly. Their is a distinct difference between confidence and swagger. Confidence is knowing your abilities, and how to accomplish your goals. Swagger is thinking you need to show everybody what you've done, whether it's worthy of praise or not--- basically thinking you're a badass. Part of confidence is dominance, not only feeling good in your abilities, but actually asserting your abilities. You need confidence to win, not swagger.

Take a look at AJ McCarron and Johnny Manziel, they are both very confident in their abilities and team. The difference between them is not swagger, it's cockiness. Manziel wants everybody to know how awesome he is while winning and McCarron just wants to win. The U back in the day didn't play with swagger, they were confident and cocky. They also felt the need to show the world how great they were. Look at Bama, they just show up and play (with confidence and dominance) every week...they don't feel the need to show their opponents their accomplishments. Hell, look at the Louisville and Florida bowl game last year. Louisville showed up just to play ball while Florida showed up to show everybody how badass they were (swagger), they literally had to **** off and make gestures after every play (stupidity). Results of the Game? Louisville whooped Florida's ass. Football is an emotional game and you need to show emotion after big plays, but not every dang play. Would Zenner be a better running back if he played with more swagger? NO!!! Zenner is good because he knows what he is capable of and is willing to put the work in to be the best (on the field and in the classroom).

To me it is more intimidating, when after a player makes a big play they just get up and go back to the huddle or hand the ball to the ref, the player isn't impressed with themselves as they expected to do what they did (didn't the Georgia Southern or McNeese State coach once say how impressed they were on how SDSU knocked them down, helped them up, and went back to huddle like nothing happened). Our 2008 and 2009 teams played with an attitude like that and we are starting to develop this attitude again.

Having a killer instinct isn't related to swagger, it is just more of a personality thing. Generally the team reflects the coaches personality, and sometimes Coach Stig is just too nice. This is D-1 football against other D-1 teams, feelings need to be left out.

[filbert]

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Well said, but, not gonna lie...I giggled reading this while seeing the old NWO guys (pretty much the embodyment of swag)as your avatar!

Swagger is overrated. Winning is not.

And . . . you giggled. Heh.