2011 Depth Chart

[JackJD]

Re: 2011 Depth Chart

An admitted pot stirrer...duly noted and remembered.

This thread played out on its own in March of 2011...10 months ago. Thread closed. Link to Dale Carnegie course forwarded to ghomestead1.

[ghomestead1]

Re: 2011 Depth Chart

Time will tell but I love stirring the pot so he's some more items to ponder and to get blood pressures up. Sure I hope he can help us but a 39 inch vertical does not guarantee that he would be a good WR. Theres so much more to it than that. Did a 39 inch vertical really help him that much in basketball?? Sure dunks are fun to see but when it was all said and done and if any of us did not know DMoss and looked at the stats one would see 7.5 ppg and 4.5 rebounds a game. Is that really that impressive???? A 39 inch vertical should get a heck of a lot more rebounds than that right?! The vertical jump test in football is just one test that they do. 40 yard dash, 20 yard shuttle, Bench, Squat, powerclean to name a few others.

Where oh where did speed rabbit go? Dale Moss = NFL

Just stirring the pot!!

[Theee Catrabbit]

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Hopefully Dale can all get us tickets to the NFL!!

Maybe he will........after 1 practice.....

http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs...d-fa48f9b283f6

[goon]

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I don't think it matters if you have a pocket passer or a dual threat qb, as both types can be effective. All college qb's were successful in high school and most have the physical skills. The hard part is evaluating how the kid is gonna adjust to the speed of the college game and if he can make good decisions or not.

Kfan in the cities had an interview with jerry kill and he made some simple but good points about qb's in general. He basically said the higher level you play at the faster the qb has to make a decision and the successful qb's can make good decisions faster.

Regarding qb's, if they've had a couple years to play and still aren't making good decisions, its not gonna change.

Look at berry, he was terrible at Iowa state, and was able to get it together and have a great season. Tob has had 2 seasons and is still making bad decision after bad decision. Maybe tob is the best qb the roster, but if I were a jackrabbit fan, I'd hope not.

I knew that Berry at Iowa state was not the berry we would see finish his career. His potential and poise and you could see the positives. Not gonna rail on TOB but he needs to prove more to the coaches then the fans IMO he has learned under center and can figure out what he couldnt last year.

[goon]

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My apologies, I wrote too fast - I meant Vick won a playoff game. I remember when he killed the Pack a few years ago at Lambeau.

Don't even want to start on the Vick jokes...

Maybe you would have been better off saying Steve Young.

[mgbison]

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I don't think it matters if you have a pocket passer or a dual threat qb, as both types can be effective. All college qb's were successful in high school and most have the physical skills. The hard part is evaluating how the kid is gonna adjust to the speed of the college game and if he can make good decisions or not.

Kfan in the cities had an interview with jerry kill and he made some simple but good points about qb's in general. He basically said the higher level you play at the faster the qb has to make a decision and the successful qb's can make good decisions faster.

Regarding qb's, if they've had a couple years to play and still aren't making good decisions, its not gonna change.

Look at berry, he was terrible at Iowa state, and was able to get it together and have a great season. Tob has had 2 seasons and is still making bad decision after bad decision. Maybe tob is the best qb the roster, but if I were a jackrabbit fan, I'd hope not.

[goon]

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Extremely respectfully, the college game is suited for running/passing QB's. The pro game is suited for pocket passing QB's. When the pro's can do both, they make playoffs, they win Super Bowls ala. Aaron Rogers and Michael Vick. The issue in the pros is the risk of concussions. The QB's are too valuable to run a lot. That is why Cam Newton is such a risk as a draft pick.

College is different. You need the dual threat QB to attack the defenses. Again, watch the NDSU game. The D tackles did not honor the middle of the line on 2cnd and 3rd downs. A mobile QB would attack that hole for easy yardage. South Dakota beat the Gophers because the SD QB was a dual threat to run or pass. The defense can't load up on pass only, they have to respect both run and pass on passing downs.

A pure pocket passer can work in college but it not as often as the pros. The Jacks have the O-line for it, but not proven receivers at this point. We are graduated a pro prospect TE this year which will further hamper the passing game. More kudos to the O-line for protecting an immobile QB.

The threat of a QB sneak makes the DT's and the inside linebackers have to pay attention to the QB and not just concentrate on the RB. I played IB in High School, not comparing it to DI football, but know you have to watch everything.

Also, with film study, defenses know exactly what the Jacks tendencies are and what the Jacks are trying to do. Not having to prepare for the threat of a QB running makes there homework a lot easier. They do not need a spy for the QB. We showed the defenses zero QB sneaks.

I hope this helps, and I'm done beating a dead horse.

I also hope that TOB comes through. It would be better to have an experienced Jr. starting at QB.

So your saying it may be the play calling and formations that the D would respond to, which would negate the ability of a QB to run. So its really a matter of play calling and then execution that is the deteremining factor. If our QB could hit a RB out on the flats, that would be more helpful the the thought of a QB sneak. Just IMO.

[shot_5533]

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Perhaps I missed it...but Vick won a Super bowl?

My apologies, I wrote too fast - I meant Vick won a playoff game. I remember when he killed the Pack a few years ago at Lambeau.

Don't even want to start on the Vick jokes...

[JACKGUYII]

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Pure pocket passers can work in college. I think of the Manning brothers who have as much foot speed as a tortoise and they seemed to do great in college. So did Dan Marino when he was at Pitt. Not to compare TOB to those guys but I think TOB has the ability to roll out some. Haven't seen it because roll out passing plays are obviously designed. Maybe they will put in a package that will allow that next year.

It's hard for coaches to teach courage and toughness and I didn't see much of either at the quarterback position.

[SpeedRabbit]

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Perhaps I missed it...but Vick won a Super bowl?

no super bowl for vick! How bout this one Wegher is no longer on oklahomas football team. Need I say more!

[slosho]

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Extremely respectfully, the college game is suited for running/passing QB's. The pro game is suited for pocket passing QB's. When the pro's can do both, they make playoffs, they win Super Bowls ala. Aaron Rogers and Michael Vick.

Perhaps I missed it...but Vick won a Super bowl?

[SpeedRabbit]

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Extremely respectfully, the college game is suited for running/passing QB's. The pro game is suited for pocket passing QB's. When the pro's can do both, they make playoffs, they win Super Bowls ala. Aaron Rogers and Michael Vick. The issue in the pros is the risk of concussions. The QB's are too valuable to run a lot. That is why Cam Newton is such a risk as a draft pick.

College is different. You need the dual threat QB to attack the defenses. Again, watch the NDSU game. The D tackles did not honor the middle of the line on 2cnd and 3rd downs. A mobile QB would attack that hole for easy yardage. South Dakota beat the Gophers because the SD QB was a dual threat to run or pass. The defense can't load up on pass only, they have to respect both run and pass on passing downs.

A pure pocket passer can work in college but it not as often as the pros. The Jacks have the O-line for it, but not proven receivers at this point. We are graduated a pro prospect TE this year which will further hamper the passing game. More kudos to the O-line for protecting an immobile QB.

The threat of a QB sneak makes the DT's and the inside linebackers have to pay attention to the QB and not just concentrate on the RB. I played IB in High School, not comparing it to DI football, but know you have to watch everything.

Also, with film study, defenses know exactly what the Jacks tendencies are and what the Jacks are trying to do. Not having to prepare for the threat of a QB running makes there homework a lot easier. They do not need a spy for the QB. We showed the defenses zero QB sneaks.

I hope this helps, and I'm done beating a dead horse.

I also hope that TOB comes through. It would be better to have an experienced Jr. starting at QB.

Pure pocket passers can work in college. I think of the Manning brothers who have as much foot speed as a tortoise and they seemed to do great in college. So did Dan Marino when he was at Pitt. Not to compare TOB to those guys but I think TOB has the ability to roll out some. Haven't seen it because roll out passing plays are obviously designed. Maybe they will put in a package that will allow that next year.

[RabbitObsessed]

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I hope this helps

Thanks, it helps so much.

[shot_5533]

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It is extremely possible for non-mobile QBs to be successful. I'm not saying that TOB was good last year by any means, I just don't think his lack of mobility is a problem. Not sure I understand this obsession with wanting our QBs to run.

Extremely respectfully, the college game is suited for running/passing QB's. The pro game is suited for pocket passing QB's. When the pro's can do both, they make playoffs, they win Super Bowls ala. Aaron Rogers and Michael Vick. The issue in the pros is the risk of concussions. The QB's are too valuable to run a lot. That is why Cam Newton is such a risk as a draft pick.

College is different. You need the dual threat QB to attack the defenses. Again, watch the NDSU game. The D tackles did not honor the middle of the line on 2cnd and 3rd downs. A mobile QB would attack that hole for easy yardage. South Dakota beat the Gophers because the SD QB was a dual threat to run or pass. The defense can't load up on pass only, they have to respect both run and pass on passing downs.

A pure pocket passer can work in college but it not as often as the pros. The Jacks have the O-line for it, but not proven receivers at this point. We are graduated a pro prospect TE this year which will further hamper the passing game. More kudos to the O-line for protecting an immobile QB.

The threat of a QB sneak makes the DT's and the inside linebackers have to pay attention to the QB and not just concentrate on the RB. I played IB in High School, not comparing it to DI football, but know you have to watch everything.

Also, with film study, defenses know exactly what the Jacks tendencies are and what the Jacks are trying to do. Not having to prepare for the threat of a QB running makes there homework a lot easier. They do not need a spy for the QB. We showed the defenses zero QB sneaks.

I hope this helps, and I'm done beating a dead horse.

I also hope that TOB comes through. It would be better to have an experienced Jr. starting at QB.

[RabbitObsessed]

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With no threat of a QB sneak, it was pretty easy for the D to concentrate on Minett.

We also had no threat of a run/pass roll out combo in short yardage.

How many rushing yards did TOB have last year? Look it up, it is fact.

The O-line was one of the tops in the nation protecting TOB. The O-line produced holes for TOB to be a great runner.

Did the coaches call the correct plays on short yardage or were they hamstrung by TOB lack of mobility?

The O-line sure seemed to open holes in short yardage, long yardage, medium yardage when Minett and Tyrel Kool where in the backfield with no QB.

Don't blame the O-line for TOB's inability to run please.

It is extremely possible for non-mobile QBs to be successful. I'm not saying that TOB was good last year by any means, I just don't think his lack of mobility is a problem. Not sure I understand this obsession with wanting our QBs to run.