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Personally wherever they decide to build the event center I hope it's free standing as I thought the Home Show and Summit League Tournament going on at the same time was a cluster.
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Re: New Sioux Falls events center update...
Originally posted by zooropa View PostI doubt that any promoter will be concerned about a downtown location, provided that parking is sufficient, within a sufficient radius.
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For those complaining about getting downtown, you should try taking the 10th Street exit off I229. It is about 24 blocks to Philips Ave or the old ZIP feed mill, 30 blocks to a Falls Park Events Center...
To me, I guess that's not too bad.
It is about 1.6 Miles from the Interstate to Frost Arena, about 1.6 miles from 229 to the ZIP Feed Mill. Getting downtown should not be a reason to not build downtown.
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There are a minimum of 3 new downtown hotels in the planning process and I'm sure more will surface as the Phillips to Falls projects starts taking shape and if the new Event Center becomes a reality downtown. Lets face it with the exception of the Sheraton and Ramada most of the motels in the vicinity of the present Arena are horrendous at best!Last edited by JACKGUYII; 04-08-2009, 04:19 PM.
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Originally posted by 1stRowFANatic View PostMy biggest concern on envent center downtown is that it splits the venues up. Having the convention center, an old arena that could be remodeled for a variety of uses, and a new event center at one site would seem to make the best business sense in that it would allow for a wider variety of events to be able to use the facility. I believe that is the overwhelming factor that must be considered in deciding the location.
I can't really think of an event that would make use of the convention center's full exhibit hall -as well as- the events center.
So you drive in the lot, circle it and find out it is full, then drive to the next lot.
A view that I would like to hear from is the various promoters of events. I would think they would have experience on how much of a factor these things are. In order for the event center to be successful, you have got to get promoters to put money on the line for events. I think their perspective would be helpful in this discussion and I don't recall hearing it before.
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Originally posted by joeboo22 View Postyou don't have near the motels (there is a lot of them by the arena now)....
Also, the only 'decent' accommodations near the Arena are the Sheraton & Ramada. A 300 room hotel built alongside the Events Center would put about 700 hotel rooms within walking distance of the Events Center (c. 300 @ Holiday Inn, c. 100 @ Country Inn, c. 300 at new hotel).
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My biggest concern on envent center downtown is that it splits the venues up. Having the convention center, an old arena that could be remodeled for a variety of uses, and a new event center at one site would seem to make the best business sense in that it would allow for a wider variety of events to be able to use the facility. I believe that is the overwhelming factor that must be considered in deciding the location.
As for the parking downtown, it will be harder to access than the large flat lots primarily because all of the lots do not have the electronic monitoring so you know if the lot is full. So you drive in the lot, circle it and find out it is full, then drive to the next lot. This takes time and the uncertainty of finding a spot is a negative in planning on attending. Is it a huge negative? No, but it is a negative. Even if the lots were monitored, it still is harder to find a spot in 10 small dispersed lots than in 1 large lot because until you pull up to one of the small lots you may not (or may with developing tech) know if it is full. Again, I don't think it is a huge factor, but it is a factor. Will it prevent many people from attending an event? Probably not.
A view that I would like to hear from is the various promoters of events. I would think they would have experience on how much of a factor these things are. In order for the event center to be successful, you have got to get promoters to put money on the line for events. I think their perspective would be helpful in this discussion and I don't recall hearing it before.
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It's wonderful to see young people get involved in their community:
http://www.kdlt.com/news/0407n2.html
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Originally posted by Nidaros View PostIf it does not play well in Spearfish or Tyndall, dont do it>
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If it does not play well in Spearfish or Tyndall, dont do it>
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Originally posted by zooropa View PostIf they put it on N. Phillips by Falls Park, yeah, traffic will be a nightmare.
But if they put it on the river between 6th & 8th or 8th & 10th Sts. traffic will be better than almost anywhere else in Sioux Falls (short of placing it on a freeway exit).
Why?
Distributed parking, and walking distance food & beverages.
Daily, the downtown traffic & parking infrastructure handles traffic movement that the Arena sees on rare occasions. The First Avenue ramp (if the facility goes in between 10th & 8th), likely a new ramp on the East bank (to replace the River Ramp, and add capacity), the city lot across from the River Ramp (behind 1st National) will be able to accommodate event parking needs, while the multiple E & W through streets (10th, 9th, 8th, 6th) provide ease of access to Minnesota & Cliff Avenues.
By contrast, at the Arena, you've basically got only two roads servicing the place, West & Western. You can't get to Russell directly (except a right turn only exit around the back of the place), and the place just jams up after events. Furthermore, the Arena isn't really within walking distance of Buffalo Wild Wings, let alone Nutty's North, and aside from the restaurant at the Sheraton, there's not much else there to keep people from leaving -immediately- after a game.
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OTOH, the general public seems to HATE the idea of a downtown events center because they think that an isolated facility served by only one or two roads with acres of broad flat single level parking will have less congestion than a facility that is served by multiple roads, with multiple parking ramps.
IMO there are reasons not to put the events center downtown, but congestion is not one of them.
The problem I have with putting it downtown is that you are screwing it up for bigger events.... you have the convention center there, add an arena to it.... when Rapid City built there ice arena they put it as part of the existing facilities that way you are letting yourself host bigger events....
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Originally posted by TeaJackrabbit View Postwhich will be a nightmare for traffic btw.
But if they put it on the river between 6th & 8th or 8th & 10th Sts. traffic will be better than almost anywhere else in Sioux Falls (short of placing it on a freeway exit).
Why?
Distributed parking, and walking distance food & beverages.
Daily, the downtown traffic & parking infrastructure handles traffic movement that the Arena sees on rare occasions. The First Avenue ramp (if the facility goes in between 10th & 8th), likely a new ramp on the East bank (to replace the River Ramp, and add capacity), the city lot across from the River Ramp (behind 1st National) will be able to accommodate event parking needs, while the multiple E & W through streets (10th, 9th, 8th, 6th) provide ease of access to Minnesota & Cliff Avenues.
By contrast, at the Arena, you've basically got only two roads servicing the place, West & Western. You can't get to Russell directly (except a right turn only exit around the back of the place), and the place just jams up after events. Furthermore, the Arena isn't really within walking distance of Buffalo Wild Wings, let alone Nutty's North, and aside from the restaurant at the Sheraton, there's not much else there to keep people from leaving -immediately- after a game.
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OTOH, the general public seems to HATE the idea of a downtown events center because they think that an isolated facility served by only one or two roads with acres of broad flat single level parking will have less congestion than a facility that is served by multiple roads, with multiple parking ramps.
IMO there are reasons not to put the events center downtown, but congestion is not one of them.
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I was listening to Craig and John for a little while today and I thought I heard them say that it would be closer modeled to the Arena in Des Moines which is also very nice. It has a lower bowl area that can apparently be partitioned off during smaller events and for larger event opened up for the upper deck. I think the total seating capacity would be in the neighborhood of 14-16K.
I hope for two things. One it is not modeled after the Tyson Events Center and two not made to be a Fargo Dome type facility. I would like a true arena with a high pitched angle for good viewing site lines.
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Originally posted by TeaJackrabbit View PostThey say the soonest they'll break ground is four years. So if Sioux Falls does host the tourney after next year it will be at the Arena.
Said they are modeling it after the Qwest Center in Omaha. They like the lower cost suites in the Qwest.
Said they are in contact w/ the SF Sports Authority and know what they need to have to host NCAA Regional Tournies.
Said they will have a heavy curtain in place to make the "lower bowl more intimate (7-8k seating) for the minor league sports". This was my big one. I think you have to have this set up. A 14-17k seat arena for the SF Storm, Skyfoce and Stampede (who attract 2,500-5,000 fans) would be disasterous for those franchises.
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I am confused. I thought you were talking about two separate ideas both located by the convention center.
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