Summit MBB 2018-19 conference

[filbert]

Re: Summit MBB 2018-19 conference

As far as I'm concerned, all of SDSU's losses have been "bad."

They're either games the Jacks could have won, or games the Jacks should have won.

[CappinHard]

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This is probably correct. However, we won't know if it is a truly "bad loss" until the end of the season. Who knows, maybe Tulane finds some magic and makes a run and it ends up looking better by tournament time (I highly doubt it)

Ha, don't hold your breath. They just gave SWAC Alabama A&M (341 NET, 330 RPI) their first win of the year. Yikes.

[SoDakJack]

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Tulane is a really bad loss right now, and will probably stay that way (296 NET, 313 RPI), FGCU isn't as bad and should get better (213 NET, 241 RPI). UMKC is at 238 NET and 275 RPI for comparison.

This is probably correct. However, we won't know if it is a truly "bad loss" until the end of the season. Who knows, maybe Tulane finds some magic and makes a run and it ends up looking better by tournament time (I highly doubt it)

[CappinHard]

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We lost to 4-8 Tulane and 5-9 FGCU, I wouldn't go casting too many stones...

Tulane is a really bad loss right now, and will probably stay that way (296 NET, 313 RPI), FGCU isn't as bad and should get better (213 NET, 241 RPI). UMKC is at 238 NET and 275 RPI for comparison.

[filbert]

Re: Summit MBB 2018-19 conference

We lost to 4-8 Tulane and 5-9 FGCU, I wouldn't go casting too many stones...

Yeah, but we didn't lose to the Roos at home like some schools we know.

[Southeast]

Re: Summit MBB 2018-19 conference

If you’re nuts about Summit basketball like me you might be glad to see that tonight’s two games in ND have been postponed to tomorrow at noon (USD @NDSU and FW @UND). They would have been on tonight at the same time as the SDSU women’s game. Both will be on Midco/ESPN. It will be particularly interesting to see that NDSU/USD game. Will either team hit 60 points?

I’m looking forward to this afternoon’s odd early start time at WIU. Being one of those 400,000 furloughed Federal workers had me going a little stir crazy this week! At least there’s a bowl game coming on at noon.

[Jacks-02]

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My guess/gut feeling is that the main challenger will wind up being Denver. Just a hunch.

Edit: I see that Omaha has found something and has 3 straight D-1 wins. The Mavs could be a contender.

I have trouble seeing anyone who can lose a game to UMKC as a serious challenger.

We lost to 4-8 Tulane and 5-9 FGCU, I wouldn't go casting too many stones...

[filbert]

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Yeah let’s just figure out a way to get the reg season title and secure a 1 seed. Have a feeling it will be closer than expected. Not sure who will challenge us but someone will.

My guess/gut feeling is that the main challenger will wind up being Denver. Just a hunch.

Edit: I see that Omaha has found something and has 3 straight D-1 wins. The Mavs could be a contender.

I have trouble seeing anyone who can lose a game to UMKC as a serious challenger.

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Yeah let’s just figure out a way to get the reg season title and secure a 1 seed. Have a feeling it will be closer than expected. Not sure who will challenge us but someone will.

[Southeast]

Summit MBB 2018-19 conference

Agree about the freshmen being key and they have a ways to go as far as allowing us to blow through the Summit schedule. I’m expecting a 2-1 start to the schedule. Three straight road games will be a test, especially when the group includes Vermillion and FW. We’re looking very good compared to the rest of the conference but I think we all had higher hopes a few months ago.

[MontanaRabbit]

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I think this team will go as far as the freshmen take them. If we can get 1, hopefully 2 to step up and be a consistent threat to score, we will be really good and a legit threat in March. In OOC games, if the freshman scored less than 15 points combined, we needed a huge effort from either Daum, Jenkins or Flatten.

Freshmen contributions in Losses (9 ppg, not including Nevada):

Montana - 2 pts
Nevada - 28 pts*** (this is the exception and still proves the point, because the only reason we were in this game was because of the freshmen contributions)
Memphis - 12
Tulane - 10
FGCU - 12

Freshman contributions in Wins (18.3 ppg):

EWU - 4*** (Daum 27, Flatten 20, this is the reason that game was so close the whole way when it shouldn't have been)
Sav. St. - 35
Southern - 14 (Daum 42)
UNI - 21
UMKC - 28
Col. St. - 16 (Jenkins 32)
UTSA - 12 (Daum 41, Flatten 28)
Bemidji - 20
Ala. St. - 20
GCU - 13 (Jenkins 31)

It's clear that if the freshman don't score at least 15 points, either Daum, Jenkins, or Flatten are going to have to score at least 10 above their average for us to still win the game. The problem is, that's not always going to be the case, especially if a team does a good job of guarding those 3. Like many have said, this shouldn't be as much of a problem in conference play, because SL teams don't have the horses to guard all 3 of our main scorers, sometimes they only have enough to stop 1 of them.

Imo, we need Owen King to be more aggresive because when he's going to the bucket, good things happen. Also, Arians needs to contribute more if he's getting the minutes he has been getting. I know you need role player guys, which he does well, but if he's going to play 21 minutes like he did against Montana and not even get a shot up, that's a problem. I would rather have Krueger or Dentlinger get those minutes, because they're at least willing shooters if they get the ball and are open.

Krueger leads the team in 3pt percentage. I think the reason he doesn't get more minutes is he looks LOST on defense about 1/2 the time.

[CappinHard]

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I think this team will go as far as the freshmen take them. If we can get 1, hopefully 2 to step up and be a consistent threat to score, we will be really good and a legit threat in March. In OOC games, if the freshman scored less than 15 points combined, we needed a huge effort from either Daum, Jenkins or Flatten.

Freshmen contributions in Losses (9 ppg, not including Nevada):

Montana - 2 pts
Nevada - 28 pts*** (this is the exception and still proves the point, because the only reason we were in this game was because of the freshmen contributions)
Memphis - 12
Tulane - 10
FGCU - 12

Freshman contributions in Wins (18.3 ppg):

EWU - 4*** (Daum 27, Flatten 20, this is the reason that game was so close the whole way when it shouldn't have been)
Sav. St. - 35
Southern - 14 (Daum 42)
UNI - 21
UMKC - 28
Col. St. - 16 (Jenkins 32)
UTSA - 12 (Daum 41, Flatten 28)
Bemidji - 20
Ala. St. - 20
GCU - 13 (Jenkins 31)

It's clear that if the freshman don't score at least 15 points, either Daum, Jenkins, or Flatten are going to have to score at least 10 above their average for us to still win the game. The problem is, that's not always going to be the case, especially if a team does a good job of guarding those 3. Like many have said, this shouldn't be as much of a problem in conference play, because SL teams don't have the horses to guard all 3 of our main scorers, sometimes they only have enough to stop 1 of them.

Imo, we need Owen King to be more aggresive because when he's going to the bucket, good things happen. Also, Arians needs to contribute more if he's getting the minutes he has been getting. I know you need role player guys, which he does well, but if he's going to play 21 minutes like he did against Montana and not even get a shot up, that's a problem. I would rather have Krueger or Dentlinger get those minutes, because they're at least willing shooters if they get the ball and are open.

[Jacked_Up]

Re: Summit MBB 2018-19 conference

It's evident from some of the pre-conference games that putting the squeeze on Daum with multiple defenders is one way to beat the Jacks. When he gets in foul trouble with charges and other violations, other scorers have to take advantage. The challenge goes beyond Jenkins and Flatten to other starters and top reserves. They're capable.

[goon]

Re: Summit MBB 2018-19 conference

Oh how the times have changed. According to this post, SDSU needs their top 3 scorers to score about 60 points a game for us to clean house in the conference. I think 60 is a little high but not by much. You have T. Kings 9 points and around 6 points from the freshmen. I might be off a little bit but it sure seems like that.
The only way I see SDSU struggling is either foul trouble or DJJ having one of his 2-7, 2-9, 4-12, 5-12, 6-16 games. I guess it could be a combination of both. I do think one of the freshmen could step it up here or there but counting on them is really ricky right now. The last couple of years we have been scoring in the low 80's. We probably don't need that in most of our conference games but we might in some of them.
I would like to see more effort and toughness, too. You are right that with the first 3 conference games on the road. With them being against Gilbeck, @IPFW and @USD we will find a lot out about that right away.
I like aggressiveness but just putting your head down and getting called for a charge is not being aggressive. I guess if we don't play physical defense we can afford to get called for a couple/few charges a game. I saw that defensive chain but I really don't know if our defense has improved that much.

Why I think that is because we dont have any other consistent scoring options. I would guess tevin will be better scoring in league play.

[91jack]

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The rest of the summit is so down this year usd is really solid chance go be #2. Frankly how we ended non conference I think teams saw a blue print to beat us. Dont out score us but out tough/work us. If that makes sense. Flatten and djj need to be 15-20 a game and daum needs 25-30 agame for us to clean house in conference. On paper we should be favorites to win with talent. But toughness and effort aren't measured on paper.

Oh how the times have changed. According to this post, SDSU needs their top 3 scorers to score about 60 points a game for us to clean house in the conference. I think 60 is a little high but not by much. You have T. Kings 9 points and around 6 points from the freshmen. I might be off a little bit but it sure seems like that.
The only way I see SDSU struggling is either foul trouble or DJJ having one of his 2-7, 2-9, 4-12, 5-12, 6-16 games. I guess it could be a combination of both. I do think one of the freshmen could step it up here or there but counting on them is really ricky right now. The last couple of years we have been scoring in the low 80's. We probably don't need that in most of our conference games but we might in some of them.
I would like to see more effort and toughness, too. You are right that with the first 3 conference games on the road. With them being against Gilbeck, @IPFW and @USD we will find a lot out about that right away.
I like aggressiveness but just putting your head down and getting called for a charge is not being aggressive. I guess if we don't play physical defense we can afford to get called for a couple/few charges a game. I saw that defensive chain but I really don't know if our defense has improved that much.