ORU to Southland a done deal

[joeybrownerHOF]

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I believe Belmont (Nashville, TN) is joining the OVC next year to take it to 11. NKU, if they join, would make an even 12.

[zooropa]

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The Summit is not an upgrade for OVC schools. The OVC has a very tight footprint.

[joeybrownerHOF]

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My thoughts on teams joining the Summit:

-Chicago St (independent) - Summit already kicked them out so not sure they want them back
-Eastern Illinois (OVC) - Would need MVC for football
-Morehead St (OVC) - Would need MVC for Football
-SIU-Edwardsville(OVC) -
-UND (Big Sky) Would need MVC for Football
-Any Horizon School or MVC school but it would be step down for them
-Northern Kentucky (DII)
-Minnesota State Mankato (DII)
-St Cloud St (DII)
-Winona St (DII)

Would UND do the football in Big Sky, all other sports in Summit? Big Sky is now allowing affiliate memberships for football only. I also don't think they are an official Big Sky member until July 1, 2012.
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[mitchell]

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My thoughts on teams joining the Summit:

-Chicago St (independent) - Summit already kicked them out so not sure they want them back
-Eastern Illinois (OVC) - Would need MVC for football
-Morehead St (OVC) - Would need MVC for Football
-SIU-Edwardsville(OVC) -
-UND (Big Sky) Would need MVC for Football
-Any Horizon School or MVC school but it would be step down for them
-Northern Kentucky (DII)
-Minnesota State Mankato (DII)
-St Cloud St (DII)
-Winona St (DII)

[YanktonRabbit]

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I for one would love to see UND in the Summit League. However, it isn't going to happen without a football option for the Sioux.

[Jacks-D1]

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Is U of North Dakota an option? My opinion is they would be a good option from SDSU's standpoint. Less travel, familiar opponent, etc.

[LakeJack]

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More from NKU
http://nkunorse.com/custompages/guid...asibilitystudy

[LakeJack]

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posted this on another thread, seems like it might fit here.

http://www.thenortherner.com/?p=10956

[Theee Catrabbit]

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Well...looks like ORU found it's easy tix to a March Madness Dance every year. God will provide......

[joeybrownerHOF]

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I am friends with numerous players on the USD club baseball team, I asked them if the school was thinking about bringing it back as a scholarship sport, because they do a pretty good job as a club team. And they all said they asked and were told Title IX prevents them from that.

And I should of clarified what I meant by problems. I don't think they are in big trouble, but from everything I've read and heard they are in no position to be able to add a men's scholarship sport such as baseball.

But to get back to ORU leaving. I don't think its completely taking my toys to another sandbox because I didn't get the conference tournament. But I do think they were upset with the addition of USD before even considering looking at a school closer to them, which I understand, and that SDSU a newcomer got the tournament the first time. I think they will even concede that after Sioux Falls supported the tournament as well as it has the past 3 years it was hard to take it away. I think when the conference added UNO a school that hadn't even made the transition yet that was the final straw.

Thank you for the clarification. I will agree with that.

[bigticket1]

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Personally I was hoping they would stay in the Summit. Some of my early random thoughts and questions:

*Does the Summit League need to replace ORU? If so, which schools would be legitimate candidates?
*When will they be leaving?
*IF they leave after this year, is there enough time to get a new school in to replace them right away?
*I really don't want another school in transition to come in. Not interested at all. Bring in someone already established.
*The Summit League will probably always be a one bid league in basketball so losing a school that has quality program(s) like ORU won't hurt the chances of a second team getting in to the ncaa tournament. Only one was going anyway.
*Is there a chance this could be the first school to leave the Summit League? Anyone else a possibility?

You would think a team needs to be added to continue to provide a balanced basketball schedule. Otherwise,there will be a school that would have an open schedule every weekend that would have to be filled in with non-conference games.

[Nidaros]

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Presser tomorrow:

http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextr...0_TheOra916657

Could it be that ORU is staying put? The article is very tight lipped, but TV is saying in his Tuesday Tidbits that ORU did not send a conference rep to the Summit League Conference meeting going on this week. That speaks volumnes, color them gone.

[zooropa]

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Did USD cut any additional mens sports, or add any women's sports during the move to D1? Seems to me that they had to cut Baseball & Wrestling due to problems before the move. Those problems were IMO the real reason USD didn't make the D1 move at the same time as SDSU/NDSU did. I have a hard time believing that they added 21 scholorships for football (42 to 63), and are able offset that completely by unequally funding their Olympic sports teams (i.e. womens T&F, CC, S&D have more scholorships than the mens equivalent sport).

SDSU added the equestrian program which I believe has around 24 scholorships when we made the transition. From What I understand our Olympic sports are fairly equal in Scholorship level.

The BoR mandated 'equal participation' Title IX compliance at roughly the same time that SDSU went D-1; I think it was part of their "D1 will ruin SDSU, it's up to us to prevent that" crusade (cf annual academic performance reporting, no use of tuition/fees on new facilities or their maintenance).

As a result of the system wide study, SDSU added equestrian and USD dropped baseball.

Both moves were a result of mandated Title IX compliance.

[joeboo22]

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I am friends with numerous players on the USD club baseball team, I asked them if the school was thinking about bringing it back as a scholarship sport, because they do a pretty good job as a club team. And they all said they asked and were told Title IX prevents them from that.

And I should of clarified what I meant by problems. I don't think they are in big trouble, but from everything I've read and heard they are in no position to be able to add a men's scholarship sport such as baseball.

But to get back to ORU leaving. I don't think its completely taking my toys to another sandbox because I didn't get the conference tournament. But I do think they were upset with the addition of USD before even considering looking at a school closer to them, which I understand, and that SDSU a newcomer got the tournament the first time. I think they will even concede that after Sioux Falls supported the tournament as well as it has the past 3 years it was hard to take it away. I think when the conference added UNO a school that hadn't even made the transition yet that was the final straw.

[HoboJack]

Re: ORU to Southland a done deal

Did USD cut any additional mens sports, or add any women's sports during the move to D1? Seems to me that they had to cut Baseball & Wrestling due to problems before the move. Those problems were IMO the real reason USD didn't make the D1 move at the same time as SDSU/NDSU did. I have a hard time believing that they added 21 scholorships for football (42 to 63), and are able offset that completely by unequally funding their Olympic sports teams (i.e. womens T&F, CC, S&D have more scholorships than the mens equivalent sport).

SDSU added the equestrian program which I believe has around 24 scholorships when we made the transition. From What I understand our Olympic sports are fairly equal in Scholorship level.