Bison Excuses

[TransAmBison]

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Getting to the dance is quite a bit bigger deal then making FCS playoffs. Big time exposure for schools making the dance. I get what your trying to say but making the dance is a big deal for schools.

Its time for a SL team to win a game in the dance.

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It is a lot of exposure, no doubt...but it is also exposure that is forgotten by the nation immediately. Until the SL winds a game in the dance, they are no better than the Patriot League football conference.

[Southeast]

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Two points

- If it takes a UNI-like run in the NCAA tournament to make you happy, you better be a PATIENT individual!

- Comparing playing in the NCAA to making the FCS playoffs is laughable in terms of national exposure. The Jacks played in front of a TV audience of over 7 million households (TV rating 7.1) last march. Compare that the 2013 FCS championship rating of 0.7. The ratings for that SDSU/Michigan game were higher than the 2013 Cotton Bowl, and Sugar Bowl. You can "pooh-pooh" that all you want, but those numbers should get your attention.


http://www.freep.com/article/2013032...S08/130322074/

http://www.championshipsubdivision.c...hp?f=4&t=34126

[TransAmBison]

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Two points

- If it takes a UNI-like run in the NCAA tournament to make you happy, you better be a PATIENT individual!

- Comparing playing in the NCAA to making the FCS playoffs is laughable in terms of national exposure. The Jacks played in front of a TV audience of over 7 million households (TV rating 7.1) last march. Compare that the 2013 FCS championship rating of 0.7. The ratings for that SDSU/Michigan game were higher than the 2013: Fiesta Bowl, Cotton Bowl, and Sugar Bowl. You can "pooh-pooh" that all you want, but those numbers should get your attention.


http://www.freep.com/article/2013032...S08/130322074/

http://www.championshipsubdivision.c...hp?f=4&t=34126

Reading comprehension...I said what UNI had was awesome. I merely said a SL team needed a win in the dance. One. Until then we are just canon fodder.

[MontanaRabbit]

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Two points

- If it takes a UNI-like run in the NCAA tournament to make you happy, you better be a PATIENT individual!

- Comparing playing in the NCAA to making the FCS playoffs is laughable in terms of national exposure. The Jacks played in front of a TV audience of over 7 million households (TV rating 7.1) last march. Compare that the 2013 FCS championship rating of 0.7. The ratings for that SDSU/Michigan game were higher than the 2013 Cotton Bowl, and Sugar Bowl. You can "pooh-pooh" that all you want, but those numbers should get your attention.


http://www.freep.com/article/2013032...S08/130322074/

http://www.championshipsubdivision.c...hp?f=4&t=34126

This^

You may never get a bison to admit it, but just making the NCAA tourney gets a school more exposure than winning an FCS championship. Outside of the state of ND, a very very very small percentage of America has any idea who played in or even won the FCS championship game.

The bison did catch lightning in a bottle this year hosting Gameday. That was some serious exposure. They earned it by dominating the FCS.

[TransAmBison]

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This^

You may never get a bison to admit it, but just making the NCAA tourney gets a school more exposure than winning an FCS championship. Outside of the state of ND, a very very very small percentage of America has any idea who played in or even won the FCS championship game.

The bison did catch lightning in a bottle this year hosting Gameday. That was some serious exposure. They earned it by dominating the FCS.

I'm not talking about exposure...I'm talking about accomplishments. SL teams don't get into the dance on merit...they get in because of the automatic bid. The team that wins the conference tournament gets in by being the best in the conference, not by deserving the bid. I just don't care about the loser attitude of just being happy to be there...that attitude will not get a program anywhere. Now if multiple appearances in the dance (like the Jacks have had) gets them better athletes that helps the program grow to where they can get a win in the dance, I can see where all the extra exposure is worth it. So far, I haven't seen where the exposure has helped your program.

[MontanaRabbit]

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I'm not talking about exposure...I'm talking about accomplishments. SL teams don't get into the dance on merit...they get in because of the automatic bid. The team that wins the conference tournament gets in by being the best in the conference, not by deserving the bid. I just don't care about the loser attitude of just being happy to be there...that attitude will not get a program anywhere. Now if multiple appearances in the dance (like the Jacks have had) gets them better athletes that helps the program grow to where they can get a win in the dance, I can see where all the extra exposure is worth it. So far, I haven't seen where the exposure has helped your program.

First of all, I didn't quote you. So don't make it sound like I was saying you were talking about exposure. But, comparing a birth in the NCAA tourney to a birth in the FCS playoffs by winning the Patriot league is silly.

From your post I'm of the understanding you aren't going to be happy if the bison qualify for the NCAA tourney? I mean in all likelihood you are going to be a sacrificial lamb for some team.

Prove the exposure hasn't helped our program. One can argue that Cody Larsen probably isn't at SDSU without at least one of those appearances. What about Jake Bittle? Both are pretty valuable to our team this year and I don't know where we would be without them. What about the two transfers we have coming in next year? Or the Daum kid from NE?

I don't have a loser mentality when it comes to "just" qualifying for the NCAA tourney, but I'm also smart enough to realize we have been there twice in our first 5 years of eligibility and that to me is a pretty damn good start.

[TransAmBison]

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First of all, I didn't quote you. So don't make it sound like I was saying you were talking about exposure. But, comparing a birth in the NCAA tourney to a birth in the FCS playoffs by winning the Patriot league is silly.

From your post I'm of the understanding you aren't going to be happy if the bison qualify for the NCAA tourney? I mean in all likelihood you are going to be a sacrificial lamb for some team.

Prove the exposure hasn't helped our program. One can argue that Cody Larsen probably isn't at SDSU without at least one of those appearances. What about Jake Bittle? Both are pretty valuable to our team this year and I don't know where we would be without them. What about the two transfers we have coming in next year? Or the Daum kid from NE?

I don't have a loser mentality when it comes to "just" qualifying for the NCAA tourney, but I'm also smart enough to realize we have been there twice in our first 5 years of eligibility and that to me is a pretty damn good start.

1. How is qualifying from the Patriot League different than the SL? Both only get in because of the autobid. Without the autobid both would be left out. I see a similarity.
2. Happy if they get into the dance? Sure...but it gets diminished by knowing that is far as we will go.
3. Prove the exposure hasn't helped? Really? You just aren't getting my point. The exposure is not getting you athletes that are a cut above. It isn't like it is putting you on the same level as the Gophers...(just using a regional team).
4. Two times in the first 5 years is a good thing...not trying to take away from it. But, if that is far as you (or us) will ever go it just doesn't do much for me.

[MontanaRabbit]

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1. How is qualifying from the Patriot League different than the SL? Both only get in because of the autobid. Without the autobid both would be left out. I see a similarity.
2. Happy if they get into the dance? Sure...but it gets diminished by knowing that is far as we will go.
3. Prove the exposure hasn't helped? Really? You just aren't getting my point. The exposure is not getting you athletes that are a cut above. It isn't like it is putting you on the same level as the Gophers...(just using a regional team).
4. Two times in the first 5 years is a good thing...not trying to take away from it. But, if that is far as you (or us) will ever go it just doesn't do much for me.

LOL at comparing a birth to the FCS playoffs with a birth to the big dance. The ONLY similarity is the auto birth part. It's much harder to win the Summit than the PL.

3) I get your point. You are trying to diminish what SDSU has done in basketball since being tourney eligible. Let's see here. I would say Cody Larsen is a "cut above". He was a top 100 recruit coming out of high school. Had he had his head on straight while at Florida he would probably have been a damn good player for them. What about the kid that is coming in from Wisconsin? He must suck too. Do you think either of them would have been at SDSU without an NCAA tourney birth? I doubt they would have, but I can't prove it just like you can't prove the exposure hasn't helped SDSU.

And to say we should be competing with recruits with Mn in year 5 of eligibility is laughable. It's going to take time to a program where we can consistently get recruits that are a "cut above". It may never happen, but the quality of recruits coming to SDSU has improved even compared to our first year of eligibility.

[TransAmBison]

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LOL at comparing a birth to the FCS playoffs with a birth to the big dance. The ONLY similarity is the auto birth part. It's much harder to win the Summit than the PL.

3) I get your point. You are trying to diminish what SDSU has done in basketball since being tourney eligible. Let's see here. I would say Cody Larsen is a "cut above". He was a top 100 recruit coming out of high school. Had he had his head on straight while at Florida he would probably have been a damn good player for them. What about the kid that is coming in from Wisconsin? He must suck too. Do you think either of them would have been at SDSU without an NCAA tourney birth? I doubt they would have, but I can't prove it just like you can't prove the exposure hasn't helped SDSU.

And to say we should be competing with recruits with Mn in year 5 of eligibility is laughable. It's going to take time to a program where we can consistently get recruits that are a "cut above". It may never happen, but the quality of recruits coming to SDSU has improved even compared to our first year of eligibility.

1. Harder to get in? I'd say that is relative. Point is, both only get in because of the autobid and do not deserve to be in the playoffs.
2. Honestly, not trying to diminish SDSU's accomplishments. I don't follow your team that close, so maybe you have gotten players that are a cut above. Time will tell.
3. You are on the cusp of getting what I am saying, but it still eludes you

[mitchellrabbit]

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[QUOTE=TransAmBison;245603]1. Harder to get in? I'd say that is relative. Point is, both only get in because of the autobid and do not deserve to be in the playoffs.
2. Honestly, not trying to diminish SDSU's accomplishments. I don't follow your team that close, so maybe you have gotten players that are a cut above. Time will tell.
3. You are on the cusp of getting what I am saying, but it still eludes you[/QUOT

With every post of yours we are needing more shovels

Until we win a game or 2 a couple years in a row in the ncaa tourney, we and any team in the summit arent close to being like uni, creighton , vcu ect. Ya ok george mason but when that happens to you i will be excited too. Until then, going is as good as it gets.

[FargoBison]

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Some years the top Summit does deserve its bid. The 2011-2012 SDSU team had an RPI of 42...ORU was one of the last teams out of the field per the committee and they had an RPI of 48. Some of those Oakland teams were pretty good as well. If you strip away all the autobids those teams would have all gotten in. So I'm going to disagree with my fellow Bison fan about those teams not deserving to be there, they weren't some garbage 5-6 team like Lafayette who got the Patriot League FCS autobid. They were all good basketball teams.

Really I want to get to the dance and be very competitive like we were against Kansas and SDSU was against Baylor. If we win it would be massive but when you are on the 12-13-14 seed line you are playing a great team.

[OldHare]

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1. Harder to get in? I'd say that is relative. Point is, both only get in because of the autobid and do not deserve to be in the playoffs.
2. Honestly, not trying to diminish SDSU's accomplishments. I don't follow your team that close, so maybe you have gotten players that are a cut above. Time will tell.
3. You are on the cusp of getting what I am saying, but it still eludes you

It might be that you are being honest and do not really watch basketball. If your premise had a seamless bottom, it would go back to the NIT format and reduce the teams playing. Or you could tune in some cycle racing between bowling matches. The tournament for the Summit would not be necessary since the championship would be done with the regular season and we could wait for the invite. Every year the season starts with a team thinking there is a chance to get to the tournament one way or another. Some of the BCS schools need to finish well in conference and conference tournament. It adds to the interest level for a team and its fans to make the cut. Once you make the cut, it is possible to be like Gonzaga, Butler, UNI, Florida Gulf Coast, or another cinderella team of the past and post some wins in the tournament. Oakland took Texas to the limits, NDSU took Kansas to the end, and the Jackrabbits played hard against Baylor. Do you think those players felt like losers? If so, maybe bowling is your spot.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

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1. How is qualifying from the Patriot League different than the SL? Both only get in because of the autobid. Without the autobid both would be left out. I see a similarity.
2. Happy if they get into the dance? Sure...but it gets diminished by knowing that is far as we will go.
3. Prove the exposure hasn't helped? Really? You just aren't getting my point. The exposure is not getting you athletes that are a cut above. It isn't like it is putting you on the same level as the Gophers...(just using a regional team).
4. Two times in the first 5 years is a good thing...not trying to take away from it. But, if that is far as you (or us) will ever go it just doesn't do much for me.

I see what you mean. Qualifying for the South Dakota state B basketball tournament is pretty much the same as winning the Summit League too.

No matter what happens, SDSU (or NDSU) will never be on the same level as a big 10 team. If that's what you are aspiring for, it would make a lot of sense to become a Gophers fan. The exposure is likely getting us athletes that we weren't getting before, although that's hard to quantify. Bittle is from Oklahoma, and if I remember correctly we beat ORU and others to get him. Larson was a top 100 recruit. George Marshall is transferring in from Wisconsin. Anders Broman had a ton of mid major offers. We have a 6-10 Alaska player of the year on the team. Again, pretty hard to quantify, but quite a bit different than when we were signing Canadian players late. Do you think its coincidence that Braun, Bjorklund, and Wright came to NDSU on the heels of NDSU's Summit run?

Personally, your attitude seems like a defense mechanism. You can't be disappointed losing in Sioux Falls if its not a big deal to win in Sioux Falls. And yes, you can probably flip that around to fit SDSU fans who think an FCS title isn't that big of a deal.

[TransAmBison]

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I see what you mean. Qualifying for the South Dakota state B basketball tournament is pretty much the same as winning the Summit League too.

If it means you will not win another game...yep it is the same then. But it doesn't work that way, does it? Maybe that means your reading comprehension is at a South Dakota State level?

[TransAmBison]

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I probably shouldn't have even started this discussion because it could never be a discussion...too many of you have an inferiority complex and cannot have a civil discussion with a Bison. Too many of you think I was taking shots at you and/or trying to justify football. Both are not true. I was simply stating I can't get that excited about a trip to the dance where the SL team has NEVER won a game. Good times. Yep, that is exciting. Now when/if a Summit Leage team wins, that will be a MAJOR accomplishment.