Future SDSU/USD matchups

[NightHawk78]

Now that the 'Yotes have decided to move up to Division 1, the question arises "when will SDSU and USD play again?" Some fans likely want to see the 'Yotes come to Brookings and gets their a!@#% kicked while some will never want to see them the twerps from Verminville again.

I could live without ever playing USD again, especially considering the high disdain and disrespect they have shown SDSU. If we do play them, our teams shouldn't step foot in Verminville until they have finished their transition. After all, they refused to help us when we started our transition. Besides a 59-0 game in two or three years wouldn't really be good football to watch........

[SD-STATE]

I totally agree, let them pay their dues in the reclassification process. Although they'll start calling us chicken well before that time is over.

[Grizzled_Jack]

I left South Dakota before many of you were born (1967). I've only returned on about ten occasions over the last forty years. I've lived in Oklahoma-- where there was healthy competition between OU and OSU, but probably less heated than in South Dakota; Wisconsin, where UW tried to be the only (football) game in town; Georgia, where there was a lot of nudging between UGA and Georgia Tech; and Missouri-- where a certain state senator filibustered over several legislative sessions to keep SMS from becoming Missouri State. However, the hatred on this board against USD is unbelievable.

I remember rabbits and an occasional coyote hurling from the stands at games along with a whiskey bottle or two. I remember going to games at Vermillion and Brookings where the dancing and drinking would start at ten in the morning, you'd stand in line for two hours, and be hung over by the time the varsity game started. Hell, I always thought that was a lot of fun-- a lot more than playing Oral Roberts would be.

Before the Internet and SDSU's move to Division I, I had totally lost interest. SDSU isn't covered very aggressively in the St. Louis Post Dispatch. I understand that NDSU and SDSU would have liked USD and UND to move up when they did but I can't quite figure out this level of hatred.

I live in a medium sized suburban county whose population is roughly half that of the state of South Dakota. I run into the save fifty people in leadership positions over and over again. If half of us didn't get along with the other half because of some college rivalry gone bad it would be real bad for all sorts of things affecting the area (and this is an area where, when they ask you where you went to school, they mean HIGH school).

Time to get over it people. South Dakota's so small that graduates from the two largest schools can't be dissing each other over some kind of pissing contest that happened five years ago.

I hope the Jacks move to the Gateway because then I'll be able to see them. If they don't (or even if they do), I hope the Coyotes and Sioux have a nice home in the Great West. The Mid-Con is probably big enough, but if Centenary goes back to the NAIA where they belong I can't believe that USD and/or UND wouldn't be a good fit. From 600 miles away they both sound like better programs than a good share of of those in the Mid-Con--- or other surrounding schools for that matter. Truth is, if Austin Peay and Southeast Missouri have been Division I for years all four major universities in the Dakotas should have done so a long time ago.

[Grizzled_Jack]

Oh yeah... one other thing.

Where would SDSU be if other D-1 schools refused to play them until they were fully eligible?

[SD-STATE]

Where would SDSU be if other D-1 schools refused to play them until they were fully eligible?

The thing is we do not have a history of back stabbing and constant ridicule of other D-1 schools that usd has shown us. The population of SD is small, so there is a lot of intermingling of usd and SDSU grads. Much more now than in 1967. Maybe, just maybe, since you've only been back in SD 10 times in the past 30+ years, you have maybe lost touch with the current situation?

[Statebasketballfan]

I have no problem renewing the rivalry... when USD has completed their transition. They purposely didn't schedule us when we moved up with the intention of hurting the school as badly as possible when going through the transition. Now we're just supposed to forget about that and give them the benefit of having huge rivalry games to help fund their athletic department with? I don't think so. Where was USD during the first two years of the transition? Where was USD last year? They can go down to UNA without a return, but they can't come to Brookings? They have been trying to screw us through this whole D-I move, and they failed. I don't think we should play them until they've finished their transition. Let their administration live with the choices they made. They were the ones who burned the bridges with us, not the other way around. When we were desperate for games, USD was nowhere to be found, I don't see why we shouldn't return the favor.

[RabbitinTea]

I'll be honest. I don't care if we ever play USD again. I used to look forward to those games along with everyone else. However, I have had more than enough ridicule from them and classless behaviour. I know it sounds harsh, but it wouldn't bother me one bit if they dismantled their entire athletic department. I understand that it is important to South Dakota to have USD academically, but I don't care what happens to their athletics. I, for one, am extremely happy with our rivalry with NDSU. It has been one with mutual respect and has been a partnership with our move to D1. I'd like to see us abandon USD as a rival completely and continue moving forward with NDSU. Back to USD...I don't think they have earned the right for us to help them out in this move. The last basketball game in Vermillion featured many businesses posting derogatory comments on their marquees as well as the infamous shirts making light of Dr. Oien. I think any school that displays this kind of classless behavior merits no "helping hand" and doesn't deserve the tickets sales from a rivalry game.

[NightHawk78]

The students don't care about USD anymore............enuf said.

[SF_Rabbit_Fan]

I'll be honest. I don't care if we ever play USD again. I used to look forward to those games along with everyone else. However, I have had more than enough ridicule from them and classless behaviour. I know it sounds harsh, but it wouldn't bother me one bit if they dismantled their entire athletic department. I understand that it is important to South Dakota to have USD academically, but I don't care what happens to their athletics. I, for one, am extremely happy with our rivalry with NDSU. It has been one with mutual respect and has been a partnership with our move to D1. I'd like to see us abandon USD as a rival completely and continue moving forward with NDSU. Back to USD...I don't think they have earned the right for us to help them out in this move. The last basketball game in Vermillion featured many businesses posting derogatory comments on their marquees as well as the infamous shirts making light of Dr. Oien. I think any school that displays this kind of classless behavior merits no "helping hand" and doesn't deserve the tickets sales from a rivalry game.


Amen and Amen.

[22jack]

After playing teams from the PAC-10, Big East, Big-12 and seeing some of those teams come to Frost, how could anyone ever get excited about playing USD again. :-/

I would much rather see us play USC agian at Frost than USD.

[Grizzled_Jack]

If they don't want to play USD again, it's imperative that the Jacks draw at least 4-5K for quality programs like Utah State. I know the weather wasn't good but a couple of thou. for a fairly solid program like that means that the move up to bigger names will be a steep slope.

[Grizzled_Jack]

Well I see that the Denver Pioneers drew all of 271 for today's game so I guess it's all relative.

[1bunnies]

After playing teams from the PAC-10, Big East, Big-12 and seeing some of those teams come to Frost, how could anyone ever get excited about playing USD again. * :-/

I would much rather see us play USC agian at Frost than USD.



Not to mention the Big Ten and the ACC.

[mango4]

The students don't care about USD anymore............enuf said.

I care about USD, I'm sick of them thinking they are high and mighty when they really aren't. It would be nice to show them that D-1 is a whole different ball game

[Ozark_Jack]

I hope we dont see usd anytime soon and will be very dissapointed if they are ever accepted into the Mid Con. We moved on and we dont need that classless program on our schedule again. I wont forget what they pulled when me moved up to D1.

[juice]

First of all, USD was not refusing to play SDSU. They just wanted the same contract that had existed for about a century, a home and home. I can understand why SDSU didn't want that, just as I'm sure you guys are smart enough to realize why USD wouldn't agree to anything else. To put that all on USD is just ridiculous. If State was that hard up for games they should have agreed to a home and home with USD.
Second of all, you can talk up the great teams you've played in DI all you want and how those games mean so much more to you than a USD game would, but I'm not buying it. I'm talking basketball here by the way. If you think USD wouldn't be the biggest draw for you next year then you are fooling yourself. I can't wait until the schools play again, and then I will see just how over that rivarly everyone is.
I'm sorry if anyone got their feelings hurt in the rivalry with USD, it sounds like many of you did. That's the way rivals normally are. Just by seeing how much you guys talk about USD, how much USD talks about SDSU, and how much NDSU talks about UND it's clear who everyone's true rivals are.
I can try to talk about how great our rivalry with Augie was, and how much respect was shown between the two schools, but we all know that would be ridiculous.
I doubt if you went on Ohio St. or Michigan chat boards you would see them telling the other one how great they are all the time and kissing the other schools a$$. Michigan and Ohio St. would be talking the same way USD and SDSU talk to each other.
If the rivarly does resume, I'm sure many of you on this board will be lining up for tickets, as will I.

[1bunnies]

First of all, USD was not refusing to play SDSU. *They just wanted the same contract that had existed for about a century, a home and home. *I can understand why SDSU didn't want that, just as I'm sure you guys are smart enough to realize why USD wouldn't agree to anything else. *To put that all on USD is just ridiculous. *If State was that hard up for games they should have agreed to a home and home with USD.
Second of all, you can talk up the great teams you've played in DI all you want and how those games mean so much more to you than a USD game would, but I'm not buying it. *I'm talking basketball here by the way. *If you think USD wouldn't be the biggest draw for you next year then you are fooling yourself. *I can't wait until the schools play again, and then I will see just how over that rivarly everyone is.
I'm sorry if anyone got their feelings hurt in the rivalry with USD, it sounds like many of you did. *That's the way rivals normally are. *Just by seeing how much you guys talk about USD, how much USD talks about SDSU, and how much NDSU talks about UND it's clear who everyone's true rivals are.
I can try to talk about how great our rivalry with Augie was, and how much respect was shown between the two schools, but we all know that would be ridiculous.
I doubt if you went on Ohio St. or Michigan chat boards you would see them telling the other one how great they are all the time and kissing the other schools a$$. *Michigan and Ohio St. would be talking the same way USD and SDSU talk to each other.
If the rivarly does resume, I'm sure many of you on this board will be lining up for tickets, as will I.

Doesn't usd2 have their own board. My bad, I forgot, nobody uses it.

[Rabbitden]

Well juice, first of all...when we made the jump those contracts that exsisted for centuries became null and void. *Considering we as the higher division do not go on the road to play lower divsion teams, (you will find that out soon enough,) also dont kid yourself that the USD game made SDSU all that much money. *Remember one game doesnt pay the bills (again the "U" will find this out very soon).

When you get out of your exploritory period SDSU's administration will probably look at that game again but don't hold your breath thinking it will be in the next couple of years.

SDSU proved they dont need USD, has USD done the same?

Juice, USD is like those little Amareto creamers at the coffee stand...you want to try them but after you did you realized that it didnt make your coffee taste any better so you either dump it out or try to cover it with French Vanilla (either way you realize you just didnt need it in the first place).

Once you figure this out maybe you will just stay on the Yote board and stop trying to stir-up things over here. *Your not going to find any recognition over here so quite trying...some times its just better when the puppy stays on the porch until hes big enough to play tug-of-war with the big dogs.

[dr_jack]

First of all, USD was not refusing to play SDSU. They just wanted the same contract that had existed for about a century, a home and home.

Yeah... um... NCAA rules don't allow a DI school to play at a DII school. So if USD officials were insisting on a home and home, they were either too stupid to know the rules or they really didn't want to play SDSU. Maybe you should bone up on those NCAA regs and let somebody in Vermillion know before USD schedules a 2008 home and home with Upper Iowa.

[juice]

First of all, USD was not refusing to play SDSU. *They just wanted the same contract that had existed for about a century, a home and home. *

Yeah... um... NCAA rules don't allow a DI school to play at a DII school. So if USD officials were insisting on a home and home, they were either too stupid to know the rules or they really didn't want to play SDSU. Maybe you should bone up on those NCAA regs and let somebody in Vermillion know before USD schedules a 2008 home and home with Upper Iowa.

Maybe somebody should tell Kansas that. I seem to remember them playing at UND several years ago. Or maybe somebody should have explained that rule to your administration, as I know your women played at Northern State during your first year of DI. Are you saying you know the rules better than your administration. You could make exceptions for Northern but you couldn't for USD? Give me a break.
Maybe it's you who needs to bone up on the rules buddy.

[EQguy]

If I am not mistaken:

Kansas played an EXHIBITION game at UND to let Jeff Boschee play in front of his home crowd.

We played at Northern in our transition year in which we were still playing a D-II schedule.

[Haldersham]

First of all, USD was not refusing to play SDSU. *They just wanted the same contract that had existed for about a century, a home and home. *

Yeah... um... NCAA rules don't allow a DI school to play at a DII school. So if USD officials were insisting on a home and home, they were either too stupid to know the rules or they really didn't want to play SDSU. Maybe you should bone up on those NCAA regs and let somebody in Vermillion know before USD schedules a 2008 home and home with Upper Iowa.

Maybe somebody should tell Kansas that. *I seem to remember them playing at UND several years ago. *Or maybe somebody should have explained that rule to your administration, as I know your women played at Northern State during your first year of DI. *Are you saying you know the rules better than your administration. *You could make exceptions for Northern but you couldn't for USD? *Give me a break. *
Maybe it's you who needs to bone up on the rules buddy.


Kansas came to Grand Forks for one reason and that was one of their top players was Bouchee from Minot ND? not sure, but this arrangement hardly is equatable with anything that SDSU-USD now are faced with currently. Some one in Vermillion needs to study up on several rules as was suggested by Dr Jack. Also these same people should be educating people like Juice so he does not go around spouting ignorance and making ignorant comparisons. Is Kansas coming to USD or UND this year? I think Juice can answer that question by looking at current schedules for both schools.

[filbert]

First of all, USD was not refusing to play SDSU. They just wanted the same contract that had existed for about a century, a home and home.

Yeah... um... NCAA rules don't allow a DI school to play at a DII school. So if USD officials were insisting on a home and home, they were either too stupid to know the rules or they really didn't want to play SDSU. Maybe you should bone up on those NCAA regs and let somebody in Vermillion know before USD schedules a 2008 home and home with Upper Iowa.

Maybe somebody should tell Kansas that. I seem to remember them playing at UND several years ago. Or maybe somebody should have explained that rule to your administration, as I know your women played at Northern State during your first year of DI. Are you saying you know the rules better than your administration. You could make exceptions for Northern but you couldn't for USD? Give me a break.
Maybe it's you who needs to bone up on the rules buddy.


Kansas came to Grand Forks for one reason and that was one of their top players was Bouchee from Minot ND? not sure, but this arrangement hardly is equatable with anything that SDSU-USD now are faced with currently. Some one in Vermillion needs to study up on several rules as was suggested by Dr Jack. Also these same people should be educating people like Juice so he does not go around spouting ignorance and making ignorant comparisons. Is Kansas coming to USD or UND this year? I think Juice can answer that question by looking at current schedules for both schools.

Actually, the NCAA bylaws don't categorically rule out a visit by D-I to D-II. They just make it very unlikely . . . D-I has a requirement to play a minimum 1/3 of all games in the D-I school's home arena. Also, every away game is money you're leaving on the table, unless you get a return visit or a guarantee. D-II schools can't pay the kind of guarantees that D-I schools can.

And there's always a D-II school who will come into your place as a D-I school for a guarantee game, so the incentive for traveling to a D-II school's place is drastically, amazingly, minutely small. It just doesn't make financial sense, no matter how you look at it. That's not rivalry talk, that's just how the money talks.

Now, traveling to a D-II in transition to D-I is another matter . . . witness the D-I teams we've had and will have coming into Frost.

[juice]

First of all, USD was not refusing to play SDSU. *They just wanted the same contract that had existed for about a century, a home and home. *

Yeah... um... NCAA rules don't allow a DI school to play at a DII school. So if USD officials were insisting on a home and home, they were either too stupid to know the rules or they really didn't want to play SDSU. Maybe you should bone up on those NCAA regs and let somebody in Vermillion know before USD schedules a 2008 home and home with Upper Iowa.

Maybe somebody should tell Kansas that. *I seem to remember them playing at UND several years ago. *Or maybe somebody should have explained that rule to your administration, as I know your women played at Northern State during your first year of DI. *Are you saying you know the rules better than your administration. *You could make exceptions for Northern but you couldn't for USD? *Give me a break. *
Maybe it's you who needs to bone up on the rules buddy.


Kansas came to Grand Forks for one reason and that was one of their top players was Bouchee from Minot ND? not sure, but this arrangement hardly is equatable with anything that SDSU-USD now are faced with currently. Some one in Vermillion needs to study up on several rules as was suggested by Dr Jack. Also these same people should be educating people like Juice so he does not go around spouting ignorance and making ignorant comparisons. Is Kansas coming to USD or UND this year? I think Juice can answer that question by looking at current schedules for both schools.


I wasn't saying that Kansas was going to be coming to USD, I was just making the point that DI schools are allowed to play at a DII school, which Filbert confirmed below. Apparantly I'm not the one who needs to study up on the rules. We can argue all day about whether it would have made financial sense for SDSU to do it. The USD game would have been your biggest draw in basketball during those years, but you would have been passing up a pay day from another school by playing at USD. We could go back and forth, but that's not my point. My point was a DI school can play at a DII school and I was told I was stupid for thinking that and that I need to brush up on the rules. Granted, that was only a few on this board, I'm pretty sure most of you already knew a DI could play at a DII, but that it's rare for it to ever happen.

Just so you know there were talks with SDSU about a deal to only play in Brookings, without a return game in Vermillion. SDSU was unwilling to pay USD the standard rate for what a DI team normally pays a DII team to come play them. If you want to be treated like a DI team by not signing a home and home with a DII team, then you are going to have to pay like a DI team.
Bottom line is both sides were stubborn. Of course USD fans are going to feel SDSU was to blame for the games not being played and we will try not to see it from SDSU's perspective and vice versa. This is an SDSU board, so obviously everyone will feel that USD was the lone one to blame.
I think both schools and the State as a whole would benefit from everyone putting the hard feelings aside and resuming the rivalry. I'm sure some of the former athletes on this forum will tell you there was no game they got more up for. The fans are obviously passionate about it as well. It would be a shame if the two DI schools in the State didn't ever play each other, especially one's with the history of State v. U.

[1stRowFANatic]

They just wanted the same contract that had existed for about a century, a home and home.

So, do you think USD will be agreeing to any of these contracts with D-2 teams from now on?

[juice]

They just wanted the same contract that had existed for about a century, a home and home.

So, do you think USD will be agreeing to any of these contracts with D-2 teams from now on?

That's a good question. There is nobody else that we have the same history with as SDSU. I would have to think that we would give some consideration to Augie. I guess it depends on how hard up for games we will be. I would think that we will be pretty hard up and a home and home with Augie might be an option at first. It might also depend on how much we could pay them for only coming to Vermillion. I hope we can figure out a way to continue to play Augie as I would much rather see that game than a lot of the DI teams that we will have to schedule during our transition.

[Jacks99]

I voted for '08/'09 not because I want the game, but because I think it will happen.

The fact is, most hard core Jacks fans don't care a rip right now about playing USD. Maybe the casual fan does. I'm sure impartials want it as well as all yote fans. They think the Men's team is ripe for the picking, that their FB is better and don't care much about getting beat to the Women's team.

It will happen because most of SD wants it to happen. However, SDSU is not going to be quick to sign a home and home before USD is fully DI. We took our knocks, they will have to take theirs. I forsee a Men's/Women's B-ball game in two years at SDSU, maybe a home, home away. For FB it depends on the Gateway. If in the Gateway they will have no room for USD for at least 3-4 years. If still in the Great West and especially if USD goes to the Great West it would obviously happen sooner and be a normal conference schedule.

The thing that surprises me most is all the articles in the Argus, even in non-sports sections about restarting the rivalry. It's obvious that SD and USD needs the rivalry, but SDSU doesn't.

[NightHawk78]

Question to ponder: At some point, do you think the Board of Regents and/or the State Legislature will intervene and force SDSU and USD to play each other in football and basketball?

IMO, I don't see the Regents doing anything, but some legislators might try, particularly those from the southeast tip of the state who will claim that "the vast majority of South Dakotans want to see SDSU and USD play."

[johnnyjackrabbit]

I wouldn't be surprised to see some legislators talk about doing something. If you'll remember a couple of years ago, Sen. Kloucek talked about introducing legislation to try to stop SDSU from going D-I. That obviously didn't go anywhere.

[Jacks99]

Maybe, if they get impatient. I think the masses will understand that it may take a few years...

It would be sad however if they spend our tax dollars and their valuable time on that versus "real" issues of the state....

[juice]

[quote author=NightHawk78 link=1164836580/15#27 date=1165427864]Question to ponder: At some point, do you think the Board of Regents and/or the State Legislature will intervene and force SDSU and USD to play each other in football and basketball?
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Is there any history of that happening anywhere else? It doesn't seem like that's something they should even be able to do. Two schools shouldn't be forced to play each other, unless you are in the same conference of course.

[filbert]

[quote author=NightHawk78 link=1164836580/15#27 date=1165427864]Question to ponder: At some point, do you think the Board of Regents and/or the State Legislature will intervene and force SDSU and USD to play each other in football and basketball?
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Is there any history of that happening anywhere else? It doesn't seem like that's something they should even be able to do. Two schools shouldn't be forced to play each other, unless you are in the same conference of course.


Yes, Iowa makes the U. of Iowa and Iowa State play Northern Iowa.

[BTownJack]

Here is an article from USD's newspaper on the rebirth of the rilvalry:

http://media.www.volanteonline.com/media/storage/paper468/news/2006/12/06/Sports/hate-State.Could.Return-2525255.shtml?sourcedomain=www.volanteonline.com&M IIHost=media.collegepublisher.com

I laughed when I read this part:
In the three years since SDSU's exodus to Division I waters, the Coyotes have been left to fend for themselves in the kiddie pool.

I'd have to say USD is the one that left SDSU to fend for themselves in their transition to D-I. *I hope that we return the favor during their transition. *Good luck Yotes!

[NightHawk78]

The Volante editorial staff just wants a Jackrabbit in its stocking this year.......

http://media.www.volanteonline.com/media/storage/paper468/news/2006/12/06/Opinion/Editorial.All.We.Want.For.Xmas.Is.Return.Of.Ustate .Rivalry-2525289.shtml?sourcedomain=www.volanteonline.com&M IIHost=media.collegepublisher.com

They also think there's only one real reason USD went D-1:

So to USD decision-makers: Do what you can to get USD and SDSU back on the field. After all, what other more important reasons could there have been for going D-I?

[jackmd]

[quote author=NightHawk78 link=1164836580/15#27 date=1165427864]Question to ponder: At some point, do you think the Board of Regents and/or the State Legislature will intervene and force SDSU and USD to play each other in football and basketball?
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Is there any history of that happening anywhere else? *It doesn't seem like that's something they should even be able to do. *Two schools shouldn't be forced to play each other, unless you are in the same conference of course.


They are all state institutions, without state support they don't exist. Therefore, the state can decide.

[NightHawk78]

http://media.www.sdsucollegian.com/media/storage/paper484/news/2006/12/06/Sports/Will-We.Play.Usd.Again-2525127.shtml?sourcedomain=www.sdsucollegian.com&M IIHost=media.collegepublisher.com

Kimmes weighs in on the issue........and he really lays down the smack on the 'Yotes.

Our rivals are back. Maybe.

With USD's recent announcement to pursue the move to Division-I athletics, SDSU and USD have an opportunity to renew an old rivalry. But will the schools embrace the possibility? I say SDSU should make minimal, if any, attempt to restore this once-cherished rivalry.

SDSU has little to gain from a renewed rivalry. We have moved on past the Coyotes. For the past three seasons, SDSU athletics has flourished without playing the Coyotes. (read more)

[JackJD]

Here is an article from USD's newspaper on the rebirth of the rilvalry:

http://media.www.volanteonline.com/media/storage/paper468/news/2006/12/06/Sports/hate-State.Could.Return-2525255.shtml?sourcedomain=www.volanteonline.com&M IIHost=media.collegepublisher.com

I laughed when I read this part:
In the three years since SDSU's exodus to Division I waters, the Coyotes have been left to fend for themselves in the kiddie pool.

I'd have to say USD is the one that left SDSU to fend for themselves in their transition to D-I. *I hope that we return the favor during their transition. *Good luck Yotes!

I read the article cited above and noted with interest the quotes attributed to Blake Hojer. *He's a good football player. *My recollection is his father played football for SDSU but when he was recruited to USD, I thought he (Blake) stated SDSU's switch to DI was one of the primary reasons he elected to go to USD. *His current point of view is interesting. *[I've wondered what Carda, one of AJ's recruits for the lady Jacks last year who transferred to USD because she didn't like the DI move--too much travel etc.---is thinking about USD's plans.]

I trust the SDSU athletic administration to make the right decision on if and when to play USD in any sport. *Those decisions will have to be made on SDSU's terms since we're nearly through the transition period.

On whether the legislature can or will intervene...I sure hope the legislature keeps its nose out of such matters but I think anything is possible. *In recent years the legislators have demonstrated a remarkable ability to get involved in a few issues each year which seem to baffle a majority of voters. And it isn't just USD-grad legislators: remember, the effort to stop SDSU from moving to DI was pushed by a legislator who is an SDSU grad.

[jackmd]

[ *[I've wondered what Carda, one of AJ's recruits for the lady Jacks last year who transferred to USD because she didn't like the DI move--too much travel etc.---is thinking about USD's plans.]


Carda's dad had a quote in the Argus the other day. Something to the effect of saying he thought it was a great opportunity for the USD teams. As I recall Natalie mentioned something about the travel burden when she transferred. Her dad's statement seems contrary to this. Maybe I'm mistaken.

As for Hojer, he went where the scholarship was offered earliest and where he knew he could lead right away.

[90Jackrabbit]

I read the Volante article while listening to the Jacks Women play Kansas in Phog Allen Fieldhouse. I have to admit I chuckled a little bit reading the comments from the USD student athletes about how they hope to get a shot at SDSU, while our womens basketball team is beating Kansas in one of college basketball's most famous arenas, and our mens team is preparing for the Gophers tommorrow night. My how things have changed in these few short years. *:) :) :)

[juice]

[ *[I've wondered what Carda, one of AJ's recruits for the lady Jacks last year who transferred to USD because she didn't like the DI move--too much travel etc.---is thinking about USD's plans.]


Carda's dad had a quote in the Argus the other day. *Something to the effect of saying he thought it was a great opportunity for the USD teams. *As I recall Natalie mentioned something about the travel burden when she transferred. *Her dad's statement seems contrary to this. *Maybe I'm mistaken.

As for Hojer, he went where the scholarship was offered earliest and where he knew he could lead right away.

Natalie better enjoy the next two years, because I don't think she'll like the travel schedule that USD will have her senior year. I feel bad for that athletes that will be here during the first couple of years of transition.

As for Hojer, if I remember right he wanted to come to SDSU, but they didn't offer him a scholarship. He was going to walk on. That's why he makes the comment about wanting to show that they made a recruiting mistake.

[jackmd]

As for Hojer, if I remember right he wanted to come to SDSU, but they didn't offer him a scholarship. *He was going to walk on. *That's why he makes the comment about wanting to show that they made a recruiting mistake.


I have heard a couple of different stories on Hojer. Mostly from DeSmet people who know the family. I have never asked a member of our program about him, I trust their decisions. First I heard he might not qualify for a DI scholarship based on academics (i.e. Stegan Logan), I don't believe that. I was told he would have to walk on. The more plausible story is the one juice provides. Later, I understood that after USD offered SDSU did offer some financial assistance, again all just hearsay.

Best of luck to Blake, he seems like a great player and a great kid. I don't dislike him, just the program he plays for. :)

[Yote53]

[ *[I've wondered what Carda, one of AJ's recruits for the lady Jacks last year who transferred to USD because she didn't like the DI move--too much travel etc.---is thinking about USD's plans.]


Carda's dad had a quote in the Argus the other day. *Something to the effect of saying he thought it was a great opportunity for the USD teams. *As I recall Natalie mentioned something about the travel burden when she transferred. *Her dad's statement seems contrary to this. *Maybe I'm mistaken.

As for Hojer, he went where the scholarship was offered earliest and where he knew he could lead right away.

I read this article as well and when it came to the quote by Carda's father I cringed and said to myself that this won't be good. I was, however, suprised at the positive response since her stated reason for leaving SDSU was the travel of D1 and she wanted to focus on academics. It got me thinking that maybe that stated reason for leaving SDSU was just a cover to give. Maybe she just didn't feel comfortable at SDSU. Maybe she got to USD and really liked it and, even though we are now going to be in D1 road purgatory, she is willing to put up with it to be someplace she likes. Who knows, as long as she is happy that should be all that matters.

[BTownJack]

As for Hojer, if I remember right he wanted to come to SDSU, but they didn't offer him a scholarship. *He was going to walk on. *That's why he makes the comment about wanting to show that they made a recruiting mistake.


Also knowing people from De Smet it is correct that Blake Hojer wanted to come to SDSU but we didn't offer him a scholarship. His dad did play for us as well. His offer from SDSU was he could come and walk-on and if he made the two-deep roster he would receive any money we had left. People may wonder why we didn't offer him a scholarship consideirng he was the captain of the Elite 45 team when he was a senior. From what I could gather at the time from SDSU was that we were already full of linebackers at that time and Blake's 40-yard time was not what we were looking for in D-I talent.

I agree I feel our coaches made the right decision for them at the time. As a coach I'm sure it is very hard to tell guys like Blake Hojer no. The bottom line is that our programs can't accept every guy or girl that shows interest in our program although I understand Blake was more then just "some guy."

[JackJD]

On Hojer: *I remember seeing a story in the Watertown paper in which he commented negatively on SDSU's move to DI.

While it appears he's a good football player, I wouldn't trade anyone on State's linebacking corp for him. *We have some horses coming up.

[MilwaukeeJacksAlum]

On Hojer: *I remember seeing a story in the Watertown paper in which he commented negatively on SDSU's move to DI.

While it appears he's a good football player, I wouldn't trade anyone on State's linebacking corp for him. *We have some horses coming up.

Agreed

[jackmd]

On Hojer: *I remember seeing a story in the Watertown paper in which he commented negatively on SDSU's move to DI.

While it appears he's a good football player, I wouldn't trade anyone on State's linebacking corp for him. *We have some horses coming up.

Thanks for making things exceedingly clear. (yote fan please think twice before replying, we are saying that we chose not to take Hojer not the other way around)

[Haldersham]

There will always be unhappy people, but the Carda parents are USD grads so should we be surprised a transfer occurred? I dont think she would have been any help when we played Baylor or the other team we lost too, and in the other games we did just fine without her. We can afford to lose people to USD. Its not a big deal.

I live close to DeSmet but can not say I know any folks over there. I sure Hojer would have loved to follow his dad's footsteps at SDSU, but sometimes those things don't always work out. Like the others have said we got a great corp of linebackers.

[22jack]

Interesting article about in state rivalries. The article list the current non-conference in state games that are being played and the ones that are not. I hope SDSU/USD is a non-conference in state game that is not seen every year.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=katz_andy&id=2690842