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Mavericks#1
12-15-2004, 07:06 AM
Were you joking in this comment? I don't want to come across as too negative but I really don't think it has been so far so good. To me that would mean that everything that we've experienced since being D-I has been good. We haven't won a men's basketball D-I game yet and the conference we really wanted to get into just rejected us in favor of UNC. I understand trying to be positive, but lets just tell it how it is. Not everything is coming up roses for us right now, but hopefully that will change.



I almost fell over when I read this and leave it to a fairly new poster to call it to your attention. You can still be a fan, which he proved by saying that he hopes that it will change, but yet not be afraid to tell it like it is. I find his take quite refreshing.

gojacksgo
12-15-2004, 07:21 AM
There arent many teams that can win everything, plus get into a conference in thier first year of d1. Can you name any teams that did that? I think it is great that we have 2 decent conferences looking at us. Not many teams get that in their first year.

Mavericks#1
12-15-2004, 08:46 AM
Comment by someone on the bluejay messageboard about SDSU getting into the valley.



Why would the MVC take any fledgling D1 bball programs - that's the province of the Mid-Con and that's where NDSU and SDSU will end up. They were stupid to go D1 based on their geographical location. Just silly IMO.

gojacksgo
12-15-2004, 09:08 AM
we're not saying we are getting into the valley right now. That is the long term goal, when we establish ourselves in our athletic programs. No one is thinking that we are getting into it right now. In 10-15 years, once we have proven ourselves capable of competing with them, I think we could easily get in to the conference.

bigjake
12-15-2004, 10:14 AM
I always thought that sdsu didn't fit the profile of most mid cont teams either who are urban for the most part. Last year bob danenhauer (former uno ad) was interviewed and he talked about why uno wouldn't go d1 and then he specifically said that he believed that both ndsu and sdsu would get into the mid cont conference in time bc as he said they take just about all comers. I still don't think they fit that conference profile but I respect danenhauer's opinion to think he is may be right.
The good thing is that more student athletes are going to benefit by being d1. The bad thing - is it worth all the money and aggravation to go d1 to get the mid cont conference. As someone who has been to many umkc basketball games over the years I would say an emphatic NO. Now if they can eventually parlay that to a mo valley invite then the jacks win and I was completely wrong. I suspect a lot of people on this board will be long gone from this earth when that day comes. 20-30 years?

sports_buff
12-15-2004, 11:28 AM
Were you joking in this comment? I don't want to come across as too negative but I really don't think it has been so far so good. To me that would mean that everything that we've experienced since being D-I has been good. We haven't won a men's basketball D-I game yet and the conference we really wanted to get into just rejected us in favor of UNC. I understand trying to be positive, but lets just tell it how it is. Not everything is coming up roses for us right now, but hopefully that will change.



I almost fell over when I read this and leave it to a fairly new poster to call it to your attention. You can still be a fan, which he proved by saying that he hopes that it will change, but yet not be afraid to tell it like it is. I find his take quite refreshing.

This was shocking to see a State fan with a sense of reality. They expect everyone who comes into this forum to pat each other on the back and tell each other how great SDSU is and what a great move they made in going D-I. If anyone has anything different to say then they get the D-I envy speech because they are just jealous. If a State fan dares to question the move then they are labeled as not a real fan. I wish I had a pair of rose colored shades so I could see what it would be like to be a State fan for a day. Many of them are even trying to put a positive spin about getting rejected by the BSC. ::)

89rabbit
12-15-2004, 11:40 AM
It must be hard to be so angry and bitter all the time. I really feel sorry for you.

Here is something that I posted that may help you.

89rabbit wrote:

The word Fan is derived from the word fanatic. When used as an adjective the definition is fanatic - marked by excessive enthusiasm for and intense devotion to (in this case SDSU). So I do understand how someone could be a fan of SDSU and be upset by our move to D-I. I say to any that feel this way. Please let us know your concerns, let us help you understand why this is a good move not only for the University but also for the State as a whole. Give us your reasoning as to why you are troubled by the direction that the University has taken and we will offer hope so that you can once again fully support with excessive enthusiasm and intense devotion that which you love.

I think where people on this board tend to get a little upset is when folks who are not fans of SDSU, who do not have the best interests of our fine institution at heart, who even mock us come to the board to take pot shoots at us. Since we are in that political time of year I will offer up an analogy that may help explain my point. Be you a Democrat or Republican when the primary races are over one would hope that the Party unites behind its chosen candidate. Some years it is tougher then other, I understand that. The same is true about SDSU’s decision to move our Athletics program to the D-I level. The decision has been made (the primaries are over) and the first season of D-I is upon us (the general election is here). It is time for all good Jackrabbit fans to rally to the cause. We are South Dakota State University and we need your support.

For those who can not give that support right now I encourage you to stay open minded and let us help you. Time will heal old wounds and when you are ready we will be waiting to except you back into the fold. If on the other hand you are not a fan and have come on the board to attack that which we hold dear, please be forewarned that your assertions will be met with enthusiasm and intense devotion, because this is a SDSU fan board.

Go State! ;D


Ask yourself again, why do I a USD supporter spend so much time on a SDSU fan board.

Rodentia
12-15-2004, 12:12 PM
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If anyone has anything different to say then they get the D-I envy speech because they are just jealous.
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Yes, and whenever anyone asks "What is 2 + 2?" People still keep responding "4".

sports_buff
12-15-2004, 12:17 PM
[quote author=89rabbit

89rabbit wrote:


Ask yourself again, why do I a USD supporter spend so much time on a SDSU fan board.[/quote]

I figure somebody need to keep you guys honest. I also feel that you need somebody to point out troubles that may await you in your move, because obviously you guys are blind to it. You have made over 700 posts on Bisonville and you are asking me why I spend so much time on another schools board. You should be asking yourself the same thing. ;D

Mavericks#1
12-15-2004, 12:37 PM
Sports-buff

Good point on the bisonville. There are rabbit fans that post on D2 football as well but I guess thats OK. I find it funny that the Big Sky and some of their messageboards are talking about adding North Dakota more than they are about adding SDSU and they aren't even D1. A thread was started at Valleytalk.net under "Valley Expansion" on whether the Missouri Valley should add SDSU or NDSU. It will be interesting to see the responses. I often wonder what the color of the sky is in some of these rabbitts fans world.

89rabbit
12-15-2004, 12:39 PM
sport_buff,

I know you went to USD but do I have to spo on feed you everything? My question is not designed to provoke thought on the amount of time you spend here. It is to challenge you to ask yourself why you want to come here in the first place.

NDSU and SDSU are going through many of the same things because of our partnership in our moves to D-I. It is only natural that I would spend time on their board. I also have a genuine respect for their program and wish them nothing but the best (except those days that they are playing the Jacks).

Can you say the same? ???

jackmd
12-15-2004, 12:43 PM
I figure somebody need to keep you guys honest. I also feel that you need somebody to point out troubles that may await you in your move, because obviously you guys are blind to it. You have made over 700 posts on Bisonville and you are asking me why I spend so much time on another schools board. You should be asking yourself the same thing. ;D


Nice try, now let me give it a shot.

The reason you spend time here is because SDSU's move to DI is intriguing to you. You have no vested interested in whether it succeeds or not, except from a standpoint of eagerness to criticize (can you say character flaw?). This is the fundamental difference between those on this site who are suppporters of SDSU's move to DI and those who aren't (Mike_H because of his journalistic view is somewhere in the middle).

In no way is it your responsibility (or anyone elses) to point out anything about what lies ahead, good or bad. Eyes open or eyes closed no one is looking towards you for enlightenment. Don't flatter yourself.

Maybe I was wrong, deep down its probably not envy. I'm certain your relatively satisfied with what you currently have. You are, however, overly interested in the information being exchanged on this site and that says something. You, bj, Mav and those similar to you have more in common than you or I will ever know. My bet is those common traits are not desirable ones.

All that said, please continue to offer your opinions, as irrelevant as they are. It seems to be a form of therapy for you and its harmless to us. Just stop kidding yourself with this altruistic bs. You're only fooling yourself.

89rabbit
12-15-2004, 12:48 PM
Looks like I am going to have to dumb this down. I forgot that we had UNO fans on the board as well. ;) Put on your thinking caps kids it is time to play let's pretend.

Let's pretend that UNO and USD had enough fans who cared about their programs to have a fan board. Now let's pretend that a few Dakota State and Peru St. fans came on and bad mouthed your schools (usually with no points or facts) and were surprised that they were not welcomed as insightful teachers but viewed as unwanted vermin. What do you kids think we should do with the Dakota State and Peru St. fans?



Just in case you missed my subtle point, you guys are the Dakota State and Peru St. fans on our REAL fan board. ::)

Texas_Jacks_Fan
12-15-2004, 12:56 PM
The USD and UNO fans bring nothing insightful to our board. They have been reduced to being only smack talkers and antagonists. I could frankly live without these three!!

SDSUFAN
12-15-2004, 12:59 PM
UNO STEER NO 1 AKA MAVERICK, BUT ISNT A MAVERICK A STEER, HAS NO BALLS. There will never be calves in the spring with a maverick as the herd sire. I suppose those sophisticated Omaha folks have not figured that out yet.

Some how I am just not pissed off with that Mike Nelke avatar.

Mavericks#1
12-15-2004, 01:09 PM
kids think we should do with the Dakota State and Peru St. fans?

We have no respect for these schools because we have never been beaten by them in anything. UNO has owned you in the majority of sports the last few years and don't forget that USD knocked you out of the NCC mens B_ball tournament last year wearing their STATE s*cks t-shirts. I view SDSU as a guniea pig for the move to D1. So far it appears the experiment has gone bad.

sports_buff
12-15-2004, 01:18 PM
sport_buff,

I know you went to USD but do I have to spo on feed you everything? My question is not designed to provoke thought on the amount of time you spend here. It is to challenge you to ask yourself why you want to come here in the first place.

NDSU and SDSU are going through many of the same things because of our partnership in our moves to D-I. It is only natural that I would spend time on their board. I also have a genuine respect for their program and wish them nothing but the best (except those days that they are playing the Jacks).

Can you say the same? ???



I've seen some of your posts on Bisonville, they have not all been respectful there Rabbit. I can truely say that I wish you nothing but the best. Sure I might point it out if you guys are getting kicked around in D-I, but I don't hope for it to happen. You guys are still representing the SD name, with SD athletes, so I will still cheer for you guys to do well, just as I did when you went to the Elite 8 in DII basketball.
As far as USD not having a fan board, I guess their fans don't feel the need to get on line and pat each other on the back to assure themselves that they made a good decision to stay DII.

jackmd
12-15-2004, 01:18 PM
kids think we should do with the Dakota State and Peru St. fans?

We have no respect for these schools because we have never been beaten by them in anything. UNO has owned you in the majority of sports the last few years and don't forget that USD knocked you out of the NCC mens B_ball tournament last year wearing their STATE s*cks t-shirts. I view SDSU as a guniea pig for the move to D1. So far it appears the experiment has gone bad.

Stay away from science and experiments of any kind!! Stick with the slapstick humor. Its something you're relatively good at and for you thats saying alot.

jackmd
12-15-2004, 01:24 PM
I've seen some of your posts on Bisonville, they have not all been respectful there Rabbit. I can truely say that I wish you nothing but the best. Sure I might point it out if you guys are getting kicked around in D-I, but I don't hope for it to happen. You guys are still representing the SD name, with SD athletes, so I will still cheer for you guys to do well, just as I did when you went to the Elite 8 in DII basketball.
As far as USD not having a fan board, I guess their fans don't feel the need to get on line and pat each other on the back to assure themselves that they made a good decision to stay DII.


Misrepresentation of your true intentions followed by innuendo (the non malicous kind). You are a USD trained lawyer (sorry JackJD).

MilwaukeeJacksAlum
12-15-2004, 01:28 PM
To call sports_buff a lawyer is a slap in the face of all of us who busted our humps to actually attain a JD, despite what they tell you in medschool. Sorry, I just don't like being lumped into a category that denotes degredation.

jackmd
12-15-2004, 01:36 PM
To call sports_buff a lawyer is a slap in the face of all of us who busted our humps to actually attain a JD, despite what they tell you in medschool. Sorry, I just don't like being lumped into a category that denotes degredation.

Its a smack board, take all comments (from me) as tongue-in-cheek. One of my best friends(USD trained) and my brother (U of Iowa) are attorneys. I've found the best approach to the antagonistic parts of our relationships includes a proper mix of satire and facetiousness. No hard feelings (as if lawyers have feelings). See, I just can't help myself ;) :D.

89rabbit
12-15-2004, 01:44 PM
You boys are still missing point. This is about you not SDSU. I am trying to help you. You seem perplexed and puzzled why you are not better recieved and I am just trying to help you understand. If you lack the capacity to grasp the concept I am sorry. Unfortunately, I am not able to dumb down the concept further. Sorry. :( Best of luck, talk to you soon.

Go State! ;D



P.S. Maverick, you were so close. If you had just stopped after the first 7 words. It's a pitty.

89rabbit
12-15-2004, 01:52 PM
As far as USD not having a fan board, I guess their fans don't feel the need to get on line and pat each other on the back to assure themselves that they made a good decision to stay DII.


That's just lame. ::)

Go State!

sports_buff
12-15-2004, 01:58 PM
To call sports_buff a lawyer is a slap in the face of all of us who busted our humps to actually attain a JD, despite what they tell you in medschool. Sorry, I just don't like being lumped into a category that denotes degredation.
MilwaukeeJack: I apologize that I don't share the same view as you regarding SDSU's move to D-I. I'm sorry to see that my views are a slap in the face of all other attorneys.
JackMD: My true intentions are for state to succeed. Just because I don't see it happening the way that you do does not mean that I hope it doesn't.

sports_buff
12-15-2004, 02:06 PM
You boys are still missing point. This is about you not SDSU. I am trying to help you. You seem perplexed and puzzled why you are not better recieved and I am just trying to help you understand. If you lack the capacity to grasp the concept I am sorry. Unfortunately, I am not able to dumb down the concept further. Sorry. :( Best of luck, talk to you soon.

Go State! ;D



P.S. Maverick, you were so close. If you had just stopped after the first 7 words. It's a pitty.

I'm not preplexed at all. I know why we're not well received. You are so busy living in your fantasy world that you don't want to be bothered with the truth and real concerns. I suppose if I had a terminal illness, and felt that I was going to live forever, I wouldn't like people pointing out to me that I might die. I guess thats what I'm doing to you, however I feel that it's alright for me to do that as your situation isn't as serious as a terminal illness. Just as the Dr. telling me that I am going to die wouldn't hope for it, I do not hope for you guys to fail.
So Rabbit, you can save your words, we've never asked for an explanation of why we aren't well received.

MilwaukeeJacksAlum
12-15-2004, 02:14 PM
MilwaukeeJack: I apologize that I don't share the same view as you regarding SDSU's move to D-I. I'm sorry to see that my views are a slap in the face of all other attorneys.

Sports_buff: It's not your alternative views that are a slap in the face, its using the term "lawyer" in an attempt to degrade you that is. That post was not directed at you. I think you've read my other posts in which I've said your views are useful and necessary as long as they aren't predominately SDSU bashing in nature.

Jackmd: no harm, no foul. Three of my family members and one of my best friends are docs and I don't hold that against them. It wouldn't probably affect them if I did anyways. God complexes are pretty tough to infiltrate. Sorry, couldn't help it.

89rabbit
12-15-2004, 03:22 PM
I'm not preplexed at all. I know why we're not well received. You are so busy living in your fantasy world that you don't want to be bothered with the truth and real concerns. I suppose if I had a terminal illness, and felt that I was going to live forever, I wouldn't like people pointing out to me that I might die. I guess thats what I'm doing to you, however I feel that it's alright for me to do that as your situation isn't as serious as a terminal illness. Just as the Dr. telling me that I am going to die wouldn't hope for it, I do not hope for you guys to fail.
So Rabbit, you can save your words, we've never asked for an explanation of why we aren't well received.


Let me try again. I see you have painted yourself as a Dr. (nice). Let me try this one on for size. A perfetly healthy person is at a party enjoying an adult beverage of choice, minding his own business when someone from outside the party comes in and feels it is their duty to let this person know that they are killing themselves. Dosen't really have any facts, has never examined the partygoer. In fact the "Doctor" is actrually a plumber who has stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.

You are that plumber.

Dude I don't care if you post, feel free. As Doc said they seem to be therapeutic for you, but don't pretend that you have SDSU interests are heart. We have all read your posts. ::) Have a great night.

Go State! ;D

sports_buff
12-15-2004, 05:38 PM
Let me try again. I see you have painted yourself as a Dr. (nice). Let me try this one on for size. A perfetly healthy person is at a party enjoying an adult beverage of choice, minding his own business when someone from outside the party comes in and feels it is their duty to let this person know that they are killing themselves. Dosen't really have any facts, has never examined the partygoer. In fact the "Doctor" is actrually a plumber who has stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.

You are that plumber.

Dude I don't care if you post, feel free. As Doc said they seem to be therapeutic for you, but don't pretend that you have SDSU interests are heart. We have all read your posts. ::) Have a great night.

Go State! ;D


Being that you guys can't find a confence and can't win a men's basketball game I would say a better comparison, playing off of yours, would be if I come to a party and find a guy passed out cold on the floor, his friends refuse to admit that he's had more alcohol than he can handle and are trying to feed him another shot. It wouldn't take a Dr. to see that this guy has taken on more than he can handle and doesn't need that extra shot. Your move to D-I is that drunk guy on the floor passed out, most of the posters on this board are his friends who refuse to admit he's drunk, and Mav#1, BigJake, and myself are the voice of reason.

You have a great night as well Rabbit. :)

SDSUFAN
12-15-2004, 06:01 PM
Being that you guys can't find a confence and can't win a men's basketball game I would say a better comparison, playing off of yours, would be if I come to a party and find a guy passed out cold on the floor, his friends refuse to admit that he's had more alcohol than he can handle and are trying to feed him another shot. It wouldn't take a Dr. to see that this guy has taken on more than he can handle and doesn't need that extra shot. Your move to D-I is that drunk guy on the floor passed out, most of the posters on this board are his friends who refuse to admit he's drunk, and Mav#1, BigJake, and myself are the voice of reason.

You have a great night as well Rabbit. :)


SPORTS SNUFF, you are very stupid and jealous. Its the nicest thing I can say.

89rabbit
12-15-2004, 08:25 PM
Mav#1, BigJake, and myself are the voice of reason.




Ha ha ha ha ha ha, that is a good one. I guess they say you are known by the company you keep.

Go State! ;D

Rodentia
12-16-2004, 08:20 AM
To anyone who is informed and is honest and objective, the move to D-I has gone quite well. *Reasonable* expectations for a move to D-I have been met.

1) Teams that move up to D-I typically play a few years as an independent.

2) Teams that move up to D-I typically lose a lot of games during the transition period.

Volleyball and Women's basketball have certainally exceeded expectations greatly, and football has done well. The basketball team, while it does not yet have a win against D-I competition, has played respectably, and has met reasonable expectations.

Rabbitlivinginverm
12-16-2004, 09:10 AM
Something to keep in mind in dealing with these 3 hooligans...

"Don't argue with an idiot. People watching may not be able to tell the difference."

Not sure who said that, but it certainly holds true in this case.

jackmd
12-16-2004, 09:10 AM
To anyone who is informed and is honest and objective, the move to D-I has gone quite well. *Reasonable* expectations for a move to D-I have been met.

1) Teams that move up to D-I typically play a few years as an independent.

2) Teams that move up to D-I typically lose a lot of games during the transition period.

Volleyball and Women's basketball have certainally exceeded expectations greatly, and football has done well. The basketball team, while it does not yet have a win against D-I competition, has played respectably, and has met reasonable expectations.

Excellent points which will all fail to register with most of those who need the clarifications. Logic will get you nowhere in the minds of the irrational. Mav knows that.