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Mavericks#1
02-08-2005, 05:53 AM
I did a double take when I saw the score. There comes a point when it is not fun to pile on anymore. I have reached that point, so I will not run any smack at you rabbitts. Part of the reason that I won't is that I am not hearing any excuses from you guys. You guys know you are at a low point and now don't hide that fact. I have always liked Coach Nagy and know this has to be painful for him. There could not have been a worse time for this team to struggle. Even I did not want you to fall this far. I sincerely hope it gets better.


Mavs#1

89rabbit
02-08-2005, 06:47 AM
There could not have been a worse time for this team to struggle.

Mavs#1

I am not sure if you are talking about this time of the season or this season as a whole. If you are talking about this time of the season I would agree. It would be nice if by now some of the yonger players were coming along. If this team was showing signs of improvment rather then falling back. Building towards next season, but they are not.

If you are talking about this season as a whole, I would have to disagree. If we were going to have a rebuilding year with a total bummer of a season, this is the season to do it.

It is our first in D-I and everyone expected it to be bad (maybe not this bad, but bad). It would have been far worse to have our last season in D-II go this way. We are not eligible to go anywhere post season wise this season. Starting next year we will be eligible for the NIT (don't get me wrong at this point I don't see us in the NIT next season, but it is a possibility) and in '08-'09 we will be eligible for the NCAA Tourney so there could be far worse times to have this kind of season.

Go State! ;D


P.S. As ugly as this season has been we did pick up our first 2 D-I wins already. It took UNC a season and a half to win a their first D-I game and NDSU is still looking for theirs (although if our boys don't shape up it could happen on the last game of the season).

SDSUFAN
02-08-2005, 03:29 PM
I did a double take when I saw the score. There comes a point when it is not fun to pile on anymore. I have reached that point, so I will not run any smack at you rabbitts. Part of the reason that I won't is that I am not hearing any excuses from you guys. You guys know you are at a low point and now don't hide that fact. I have always liked Coach Nagy and know this has to be painful for him. There could not have been a worse time for this team to struggle. Even I did not want you to fall this far. I sincerely hope it gets better.


Mavs#1
Mav1;
A happy Mike "Fricken" Nelke day to you and thanks for not piling on. Its bad!!!!

OK_Jackrabbit
02-08-2005, 06:15 PM
I did a double take when I saw the score. There comes a point when it is not fun to pile on anymore. I have reached that point, so I will not run any smack at you rabbitts. Part of the reason that I won't is that I am not hearing any excuses from you guys. You guys know you are at a low point and now don't hide that fact. I have always liked Coach Nagy and know this has to be painful for him. There could not have been a worse time for this team to struggle. Even I did not want you to fall this far. I sincerely hope it gets better.


Mavs#1

Any time is a bad time for a Jackrabbit basketball team to struggle. It's hard to deal with, but every year is a new start. We have a good coach and some good players coming back and apparently the redshirts are very good. So it'll get better.

Big games for UNO this weekend and a good chance to climb the regional rankings with a win at home against Mankato. Good luck!

Mavericks#1
02-08-2005, 10:01 PM
This was posted on another fan board. Not trying to stir the pot just curious what your response to this would be?






I think things will get worse next year for the SDSU men. They have a team that seriously can't cut it against D2 teams right now, and against D1 teams next year things will only, obviously, be that much more difficult about 3/4 of the time. And they really don't have much help on the way for next year. Their guards are terrible. Wenig, the best shooter in the program, left school. They are redshirting 2 FR, one, Andre Gilbert, is a great athlete but plays like he is at Rucker Park and doesn't play within the system. The other, Matt Caldwell, is a pretty good player who may be stuck as a tweener guard, too short for the 2 yet not exactly having the skills for the point. They have signed 2 6-10 guys early, but their bodies make Kevin Garnett look like the world's strongest man, each weighing about 200, so they cannot be counted on for next year either. They need JUCO guys, but recruiting JUCOs at the D1 and D2 levels are completely different and they would have to settle for ones that are not that skilled and talented. Signs point to things getting worse before they get better IMO.

89rabbit
02-08-2005, 11:12 PM
Sounds like a really smart guy. What NCAA D-I team is he coaching? ::)

I will put my faith in the Winningest Coach in SDSU history. The man with over 216 College wins and a winning percentage of 74.4%. The man who has lead 8 of his 9 Jackrabbit teams to the post season.

SDSU Men's Basketball Head Coach Scott Nagy 8)



Go State! ;D

FargoBison
02-08-2005, 11:27 PM
Jacks fans what would you consider better? With a full D1 schedule next year to go along with a pretty young team it may be tough to really improve on this year. As a Bison fan I expect NDSU to win between 6 and 11 games next year, the team will be young and will obviosly have it's fair share of ups and downs but what Miles has seemed to do is keep his team on track and playing hard every night which should be a good example for these young guys redshirting this year. And as long as those young guys play as hard as the seniors played this year I will be happy. So Jacks fans what would you consider an improvement over this years team? What are your expectations?

SDSUFAN
02-09-2005, 04:19 AM
Fargobison

I expect no more than what you are expecting out of the Bison. If you dont think Nagy pushes the guys in practice, I suggest you come down and watch practice.
During the games, we have fallen apart because of the lack of leadership. Geiver, Hokanson and Dejong, have been role players coming off the bench, and they have not given a whole lot of thought of being a leader and a starter, which they found themselves in this year.

I think Beran and Green playing as true freshman last year did not think of themselves as leaders either, and this coming season, more pressure will there to lead.

No I dont see a 20 win season, but I see a more competitive team developing. With Wenig not coming back, we had one more scholarship and that could be a Juco, but kind of doubt it.

SDSUFAN
02-09-2005, 04:35 AM
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I expected SDSU to be bad this year, but they're worse than anyone could possibly have envisioned. I doubt they'll stay this inept for too long, but it's still surprising how the fans have jumped off the bandwagon in Brookings. I figured a majority of the people who historically attended the games would continue to go for awhile despite the poor home schedule and poorer team, but clearly that's not the case as attendance has taken a big nosedive.
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I think the reason the attendence is so low is that all the rabbitt fans have checked themselves into the state mental hospital and are unable to attend the games. If this keeps up they might be kissing Roger Thomas's you know what to get back in the NCC.

Marlon Briscoe

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I think the reason the attendence is so low is that all the rabbitt fans have checked themselves into the state mental hospital and are unable to attend the games. If this keeps up they might be kissing Roger Thomas you know what to get back in the NCC.

I don't think SDSU would ever come back to the NCC or DII.


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I think things will get worse next year for the SDSU men. They have a team that seriously can't cut it against D2 teams right now, and against D1 teams next year things will only, obviously, be that much more difficult about 3/4 of the time. And they really don't have much help on the way for next year. Their guards are terrible. Wenig, the best shooter in the program, left school. They are redshirting 2 FR, one, Andre Gilbert, is a great athlete but plays like he is at Rucker Park and doesn't play within the system. The other, Matt Caldwell, is a pretty good player who may be stuck as a tweener guard, too short for the 2 yet not exactly having the skills for the point. They have signed 2 6-10 guys early, but their bodies make Kevin Garnett look like the world's strongest man, each weighing about 200, so they cannot be counted on for next year either. They need JUCO guys, but recruiting JUCOs at the D1 and D2 levels are completely different and they would have to settle for ones that are not that skilled and talented. Signs point to things getting worse before they get better IMO.

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ALSO OVER ON D2FOOTBALL, Maverick No 1 Is just plain Mavman overthere.
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I agree 100 percent with Corella. Things will get worse in men's bb and probably worse in fb, too at sdsu. But if you ever go on the sdsu fan site those nuts think the good times are going to roll sooner rather than later. A bunch of dreamers on that site but then I always wanted to a be an nfl qb,too. We all need our dreams-I guess.
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SDSUFAN
02-09-2005, 04:38 AM
Mav no 1 was not going to pile on well, that statement has about as much value as a wood nickel, a cup of coffee and anything else. Bring back Mike Fricken Nelke.

Mavericks#1
02-09-2005, 05:51 AM
SDSU fan

You are wrong about me being mavman. I am UNO Rules. Yes, I did make the remark about your attendence but it is bad. My point is that you have some questions marks coming into next season. Your schedule will get much tougher. Sure you have some of these games at home but Frost Arena is not a great home court advantage unless you have a good team to back it up. I said that I hope things get better and I meant that. That is not saying that I think things will get better. My take is that they will get better but not to the extent many of you think they will.



Mavs #1

Mavericks#1
02-09-2005, 05:57 AM
Another post from the board. Brings up some interesting points. I agree that Nagy is an awesome coach but he is not God.






The rabbits are in a lot of trouble next year, if they think this year is bad just wait until they have to face a full D1 schedule next year. D1 teams every night with no NAIA or D2 teams to give them a break. I wonder what the score will be at the Manhattan game at Frost next year, they can't even compete with SWMS how are they going to hang with Manhattan. It could be another three years until things start to get better.

But they would still tell you that Nagy is the greatest coach in the world and will turn things around and make them all better next year. What is better, a 6 win season next year is most likely going to be a lot tougher since it is all D1 and for a team struggling to compete with Wayne St or SWMS you have to wonder if things will get worse. Nagy is good but he is not god, it may take a miracle for them to be any better next season.

MilwaukeeJacksAlum
02-09-2005, 07:03 AM
I think it's extremely amusing that SDSU is SOOOOOO important to these schools that will never see them again on the court. I understand being an interested observer, but when D2football fan boards are focusing on our basketball team I think it's gone beyond being an interested observer. What is the hook? What is the draw?

These same schools don't fill up message boards with the highs and lows of U of Minn or Neb. If UNO or UND had gone D1 and SDSU was still D2, I'm pretty sure I would be interested in their progress. I know I rooted for UND to win the D2 championship a couple years ago because it validated the NCC and in a round about way, SDSU. But, I can promise you I wouldn't waste my valuable time searching for message boards with a burning need to see them fail, if only for the opportunity to rub it in there faces.

My last question would be why do these same caustic minded D2 fans find it so amazing that the SDSU fans on the SDSU message board would try to see their school's future through rose colored glasses? Is that such a shock? Those people perplex me.

Mavericks#1
02-09-2005, 08:02 AM
Milwaukee Rabbitt,


If you think I am obsessed with the rabbitts you are wrong. As a huge Creighton fan I spend a lot of time on valleytalk.net and the bluejay message board. I have way more posts over there than I do here. I am also a huge Nebraska football fan. How do you think I got some of the rivals stuff on the UNO kids that signed.
I followed Nebraska recruiting class on a daily basis and spend some time on their boards as well. If your are accusing me of being a fan board junkie, I am guility as charged, but I am not obessed with what happens with the rabbitts. For me it is the interest in how your D1 move goes because UNO is going to have to make that decision in the near future.
To spin this the other way why do I see rabbitt fans on D2 football and basketball boards. If they didn't care about D2 anymore, why do they go there?
Finally about your rose colored glasses comment. I understand that fans will most of the time look at the bright side of things. But you rabbitt fans make Tony Robbins look like a pessimist.


Mavs #1

jackmd
02-09-2005, 09:11 AM
Those with SDSU envy,

Don't mistake excitement about progress as "dreaming" or being "unrealistic". Stop worrying so much about others and focus on your own good fortunes and the great potential ahead at UNO and institutions like it. Its really only those who are unsatisfied with their own accomplishments (or lack of) that find time to diparage the performance of others. The existance of those who continue to do so is a sad one. Even worse yet, they try to disguise is as "smack". Losers each and everyone, pity is again the word.

Mavericks#1
02-09-2005, 09:41 AM
Its really only those who are unsatisfied with their own accomplishments (or lack of) that find time to diparage the performance of others. The existance of those who continue to do so is a sad one. Even worse yet, they try to disguise is as "smack". Losers each and everyone, pity is again the word.



Jack MD,

You have been reading to much Shakespeare lately. Sounds like you stole those lines right out of one of his many plays.


Mavs #1

MilwaukeeJacksAlum
02-09-2005, 12:23 PM
If you think I am obsessed with the rabbitts you are wrong.

I didn't necessarily say that I thought you were obsessed. I think, especially recently, your interest is more directed as observer and pot stirrer on this site. My post was directed more to those who spend their time on other sites dispensing mostly negative thoughts about the Jacks. I remain interested in the ol' NCC crew and will continue to follow their progress (although I generally only follow their football squads). However, my interest stops there. The only teams I would openly root against would be USD and Augie and probably now UND as they seem to think that SDSU's move to D1 was somehow meant to be a personal diss to their university.

The USD/Augie hatred is bred into my system as it is for many who attended SDSU. However, UNO, UND, SCSU, MSU, etc. were never much more than just another game on the schedule. You wanted to win, but it was generally never more than that. If UNO makes it to the post season in any of their sports, I imagine I would root for them. Why wouldn't I?

I guess that's where I'm perplexed. Why did many of the NCC schools feel SDSU's move to D1 (even more than NDSU's move) was somehow a personal shot to their respective university? Why does a UND fan get so personally vested in SDSU's athletic achievements that he is posting comments on websites and doing research on our 2005-6 basketball squad? Did I miss something during my 4 1/2 years at SDSU? Did we have this bitter rivalry with UND and I blocked it out? I don't even know UND's record in hoops this year and really could care less. I only know UNO's doing well because you told me so on this website.

FargoBison
02-09-2005, 01:12 PM
I think the UND fans got so caught up with NDSU's move that took a greater interest in SDSU's move as well. I don't think SDSU was that much of a rival to UND and the rest of the NCC instead SDSU was the top hoops program and were often one of teams NCC fans looked most forward to seeing. SDSU is playing alot of similar teams and they also probably want to see how the best hoops program handles the move to the next level. I don't think it has much to do with personal feelings other than SDSU paired up with their hated rival. I wouldn't get too caught up in what many of these NCC fans are saying though because most of them are uneducated on D1 and the process of transition. I guess when they can't smack you when your on top they had to wait and do it when your down.

SDsportsFan
02-09-2005, 02:25 PM
I guess that's where I'm perplexed. Why did many of the NCC schools feel SDSU's move to D1 (even more than NDSU's move) was somehow a personal shot to their respective university? Why does a UND fan get so personally vested in SDSU's athletic achievements that he is posting comments on websites and doing research on our 2005-6 basketball squad? Did I miss something during my 4 1/2 years at SDSU? Did we have this bitter rivalry with UND and I blocked it out? I don't even know UND's record in hoops this year and really could care less. I only know UNO's doing well because you told me so on this website.

I certainly don't think that UND viewed us as their biggest rivals nor do they hold more ill will towards us for our move than they do for NDSU. Almost everything I've seen from UND fans are negative things towards NDSU and not us. I'm sure some of the UND fans got tired of always dragging NDSU down and thought they could rag on us for a while, being that we are an easy target right now.
I'm sure the UND fans blame us, along with NDSU, for weakening the NCC. NCC fans feel that we ruined their conference while saying "we're too good for you in the process." I have noticed that there are a lot of bad feelings out there for both us and NDSU. Kind of like the Big East being pissed at Miami and V.Tech for leaving for the ACC. We've done a good job of not worrying so much about what other people think and just looking out for whats best for us.

JACKGUYII
02-09-2005, 02:35 PM
If your not hearing any negative dialogue than your not looking in the right place. UND fans are taking repeated shots at SDSU because they don't think we have the dollars or the facilities. The posters on the UND site think they are a better traveling partner for NDSU and truly don't feel SDSU is capable of fielding a DI program. Of course it really doesn't matter what they think as their administration is a long ways from making any move to DI.

jack100
02-09-2005, 02:45 PM
SDSU fan

You are wrong about me being mavman. I am UNO Rules. Yes, I did make the remark about your attendence but it is bad. My point is that you have some questions marks coming into next season. Your schedule will get much tougher. Sure you have some of these games at home but Frost Arena is not a great home court advantage unless you have a good team to back it up. I said that I hope things get better and I meant that. That is not saying that I think things will get better. My take is that they will get better but not to the extent many of you think they will.



Mavs #1


So UNO Rules/ Mavericks#1 - what makes you an expert on SDSU's football recruiting class? You claim SDSU's recruiting class is average at best. How do know? Do know info on the recruits from AZ and CA? I would welcome your insight on these recruits.

Maybe the recruiting class was average. I do not claim to know. It is interesting that you think you know what you are talking about.

89rabbit
02-09-2005, 02:51 PM
So UNO Rules/ Mavericks#1 - what makes you an expert on SDSU's football recruiting class? You claim SDSU's recruiting class is average at best. How do know? Do know info on the recruits from AZ and CA? I would welcome your insight on these recruits.

Maybe the recruiting class was average. I do not claim to know. It is interesting that you think you know what you are talking about.

Good question. I too am not a recruiting guru but one recruiting source has our new QB ranked 15th best in all of I-AA. That is a heck of a start to having an above avg. recruiting class. ;) ;D

http://www.showingblitz.com/2005topqbs.html?session=846Q55MRQDsjTC3yiO22LMAeEh


ShowingBlitz.com's
Top 30 Quarterbacks
(Class of 2005)


1. Sean Santos 6-0/180 New Orleans, LA (Holy Cross) Northwestern St.

2. Clint Bricker 6-2/208 Austin, TX (Westwood) Stephen F. Austin

3. Jordan Sorrells 6-1/200 Greenville, SC (Greenville) Furman

4. Chris Griffin 6-0/170 Lakeland, FL (Lakeland) Georgia Southern

5. Brian Wriston 6-0/178 Phoenix, AZ (Moon Valley) Northern Arizona

6. Clayton Tunney 6-3/194 Carlsbad, CA (La Costa Canyon) UC-Davis

7. Tyler Horner 6-3/195 Dayton, OH (Northmont) Southwest Missouri St.

8. Luke Butler 6-5/210 Pocatello, ID (Century) Idaho St.

9. Jameel Williams 5-11/180 Seffner, FL (Armwood) Bethune-Cookman

10. Eric Ward 6-3/180 Atlanta, GA (Southwest Dekalb) Richmond

11. Tony Hobson 6-3/200 Jackson, MS (Jim Hill) Alcorn St.

12. Andrew Hatch* 6-2/200 Las Vegas, NV (Cimarron) Harvard

13. Pat Grace 6-2/205 Sioux City, IA (Heelan) Northern Iowa

14. Antwon Young 6-4/185 Ft. Lauderdale, FL (Plantation) Villanova

15. Ryan Crawford 6-2/205 Oro Valley, AZ (Ironwood Ridge) South Dakota St.

16. Nick Mertens 6-1/190 East Grand Forks, MN (E. Grand Forks) North Dakota St.

17. Brandon Smith 6-0/175 Danville, KY (Boyle County) Western Kentucky

18. Clint Stapp 6-3/213 Niwot, CO (Niwot) Montana

19. Brian Anderson* 6-1/185 Jacksonville, IL (Jacksonville) Princeton

20. Derrick Fourroux 6-1/195 Erath, LA (Erath) McNeese St.

21. Ben Widmyer 6-0/195 Coeur d'Alene, ID (Lake City) Wofford

22. Zach Harrington 6-2/180 Hattiesburg, MS (Oak Grove) Southeastern Louisiana

23. Jarrett Dunston 6-3/210 Raleigh, NC (Southeast Raleigh) Hampton

24. Shane Connolly* 6-2/185 Endwell, NY (Maine-Endwell) Cornell

25. Mitch Brecke 6-0/170 Plymouth, MN (Maple Grove) North Dakota St.

26. Kris Thigpen 6-4/190 Taylorsville, MS (Taylorsville) Jackson St.

27. Brett McLennan 6-2/185 Eugene, OR (South Eugene) Sacramento St.

28. Bryant Lee 6-2/185 Hahnville, LA (Hahnville) Southern

29. Levi Brown 6-2/180 Mt. Juliet, TN (Mt. Juliet) Richmond

30. Jacob Hundley 6-5/238 Jackson, KY (Breathitt County) Eastern Kentucky


Go State! ;D

bigjake
02-09-2005, 05:37 PM
Haven't been on this site much in the last 10 days but how things have changed!! I never thought I would see the day that there would be so much fighting among the "Rabbit Nation". The 2 subjects that seem to be of particular note are
1. harping on Coach Nagy and his sudden descent from paradise to big trouble with his won/loss record. Lots of bitterness and angst among the fans.
2. complaining about your students who apparently aren't as much into the d1 move as you fans are.
Don't know how things will eventually work out but the tone on this site is significantly less optimistic then it was last fall.
It reminds me so much of UMKC but then that is another thread.

filbert
02-09-2005, 06:30 PM
Haven't been on this site much in the last 10 days but how things have changed!! I never thought I would see the day that there would be so much fighting among the "Rabbit Nation". The 2 subjects that seem to be of particular note are
1. harping on Coach Nagy and his sudden descent from paradise to big trouble with his won/loss record. Lots of bitterness and angst among the fans.
2. complaining about your students who apparently aren't as much into the d1 move as you fans are.
Don't know how things will eventually work out but the tone on this site is significantly less optimistic then it was last fall.
It reminds me so much of UMKC but then that is another thread.

Normally I don't dignify your posts with a response, but in this case . . .

Your continual dredging up of UMKC's unfortunate experience in D-I (with appropriate props for their recent run and 9-1 record in the MidCon) has exactly zero relevance to SDSU.

SDSU is a basketball school. In three years, we'll be beating UMKC with regularity on the court. Heck, we came close with a team with no senior or junior leadership AT ALL and a bunch of wet-behind-the-ears freshmen and deer-in-the-headlights sophomores, on UMKC's home court. Well, home floor. OK, home pole barn. Jeepers, Brookings' Swiftel Center runs rings around Hale Arena as an alternate home for basketball. Plus, the parking is more convenient.

How about putting UMKC's women up against SDSU's Lady Jacks? Anywhere. Anytime. It would be major news if the Roos lost by only 20.

Meanwhile, how do you think UMKC's football team will do this year? Could they take SDSU this year?

Oh, right, right, sorry, my mistake. UMKC is a I-AAA school. One more A than SDSU is. That's gotta sting.

p.s. I really do want the Roos to make the NCAA Tournament this year, it would do the program and KC area college basketball a world of good. They'd still get blown out by Duke or Kansas in the first round, but even so . . .

SDSUFAN
02-10-2005, 03:20 AM
Haven't been on this site much in the last 10 days but how things have changed!! I never thought I would see the day that there would be so much fighting among the "Rabbit Nation". The 2 subjects that seem to be of particular note are
1. harping on Coach Nagy and his sudden descent from paradise to big trouble with his won/loss record. Lots of bitterness and angst among the fans.
2. complaining about your students who apparently aren't as much into the d1 move as you fans are.
Don't know how things will eventually work out but the tone on this site is significantly less optimistic then it was last fall.
It reminds me so much of UMKC but then that is another thread.

Gosh its funny UNO Rules made this exact post over on D2Football. ???

bigjake
02-10-2005, 06:20 AM
Mr Filbert, I admire your fanaticism. Anybody who drives 7 hours to brookings to see a struggling team is a true fan. In the future you might want to stop off in omaha and see a couple of good teams play - uno and creighton - on your way to brookings.
I agree you probably will be better than umkc in 3 years - so what? They play at the bottom of d1.

89rabbit
02-10-2005, 07:33 AM
UMKC has a better chance this year of making the Big Dance then either Creighton or UNO. Wow look I am sticking up for UMKC. :o

Go State! ;D

filbert
02-10-2005, 05:04 PM
Mr Filbert, I admire your fanaticism. Anybody who drives 7 hours to brookings to see a struggling team is a true fan. In the future you might want to stop off in omaha and see a couple of good teams play - uno and creighton - on your way to brookings.
I agree you probably will be better than umkc in 3 years - so what? They play at the bottom of d1.

I'm sure I'll be in Omaha soon enough, to watch the Jacks take on the Blue Jays. Next year, if my info is correct, I'll be down the road in Lincoln watching SDSU take on the Huskers.

How come you're bailing on the Roos? They're actually (finally) playing pretty well . . .