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sports_buff
03-04-2005, 07:16 AM
I was wondering if any of you guys got the chance to read the article in the argus leader today. It will give you a much better idea of what Mueller is really like. The article mentions SDSU several times so I think it is relevant to this board and hopefully it won't get pulled.
http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050304/SPORTS/503040334/1002

I like the part about Osama Bin Mueller, where was the uproar there.

SDSUFAN
03-04-2005, 07:19 AM
Good Article, a great player and a great univeristy. How many more lies am I suppose to tell you. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Rabbitlivinginverm
03-04-2005, 07:20 AM
I like the part about Osama Bin Mueller, where was the uproar there.

The difference there is that SDSU officials took control of that situation by confiscating the flyers and removing anyone displaying them from the arena. They didn't site "Freedom of Speech" as an excuse.

joeybrownerHOF
03-04-2005, 07:24 AM
The situations are a bit different when concerning freedom of speech

Rabbitlivinginverm
03-04-2005, 07:26 AM
Buff,

I guess the other diference is that SDSU players weren't selling the flyers out of their home, like Muellar and Anderson.

sports_buff
03-04-2005, 07:26 AM
I wouldn't say they removed everyone, there wouldn't have been a student section left. I saw plenty of those flyers being displayed throughout the game. But USD fans didn't complain about it, we uderstood that it was just part of a rivalry. Good to know that SDSU administrators didn't care about people's freedom of speech. But thats off topic.
More importantly, what did you think of the article. Does it change your thoughts about Mueller or not really? You gotta admit that it was pretty funny when he said that he normally gets a phone number after being bit like that.

jackmd
03-04-2005, 07:27 AM
Mick Garry has nothing better to do? I'm not wasting my time glorifying the juvenile attitude Mueller displays. Self-confidence does not equate to co-ckiness, in fact, acting the way Mueller does is usually an ego protective response. Are people in SD really interested in reading this?

sports_buff
03-04-2005, 07:29 AM
Buff,

I guess the other diference is that SDSU players weren't selling the flyers out of their home, like Muellar and Anderson.

Just for the record, Mueller and Anderson weren't selling the t-shirts, but their friends were selling them out of their place.
And no, SDSU players weren't selling the flyers. They were being passed around for free around campus.

Rabbitlivinginverm
03-04-2005, 07:29 AM
Doesn't really change how I feel about him. He's a good basketball player, who always plays hard. I just don't like his on-court (and sometimes off court)personality.

JACKGUYII
03-04-2005, 07:50 AM
Let's be clear the USD Administration and Dakota Dome security have never been in control of their crowds like SDSU is at Frost. The Dome on game day for years was run about as bush league as you can get.

sports_buff
03-04-2005, 08:12 AM
Let's be clear the USD Administration and Dakota Dome security have never been in control of their crowds like SDSU is at Frost. The Dome on game day for years was run about as bush league as you can get.

Just because they didn't go racing around making everyone turn their t-shirts inside out and acting like NAZI's doesn't mean they were bush league. I thought it was ridiculous the way USD fans would be treated up in Brookings. They didn't allow you to swear, or wear just about any USD t-shirt, and they would make you sit in the upper deck. USD finally started doing that last year--the upper deck thing.
I couldn't tell if I was at a basketball game or church.

Rabbitlivinginverm
03-04-2005, 08:19 AM
You have nothing to complain about regarding seating at basketball games.

sports_buff
03-04-2005, 08:31 AM
You have nothing to complain about regarding seating at basketball games.

Why would you say that, you don't like the view from the upper deck in the dome? ;)
I wish we had a separate venue for basketball. Something like Frost, the Barnett Center, or the new place in Mankato would be great.

joeybrownerHOF
03-04-2005, 08:36 AM
....or even the Miller National Guard Armory

Rabbitlivinginverm
03-04-2005, 08:48 AM
Why would you say that, you don't like the view from the upper deck in the dome? ;)
I wish we had a separate venue for basketball. Something like Frost, the Barnett Center, or the new place in Mankato would be great.


Last year I was lucky enough to get tickets behind the Jacks bench. The unfortunate thing was being near the Coyote students. The nacho stain for the mysterious nacho cheese chip still hasn't come out of one of my Jackrabbit hats. And you could ask Stacie Cizek's mother how she felt about being spat on the year before >:(

MilwaukeeJacksAlum
03-04-2005, 10:46 AM
....or even the Miller National Guard Armory

I've actually played basketball on both the Dome court and about 300 games on the Miller court. The Miller court is a much better place to play a game. Now hold on, because I'm going to put my second emoticon ever in here. ;) There.

MilwaukeeJacksAlum
03-04-2005, 10:59 AM
Good to know that SDSU administrators didn't care about people's freedom of speech.

For clarification purposes, the Frost would legally qualify as a quasi-public/quasi-private forum. Under those situations, the general public does not enjoy the full benefits of their otherwise constitutionally mandated personal rights. This is similar to when a school newspaper is censored for some reason or another by the administrators. Thus, SDSU (and USD in the dome for that matter) has every right to enforce a censorship of sorts when telling people to take down signs or turn their shirts inside out. They are not infringing on anyone's rights.

This was something I learned in lawschool in between naps and before I became an ambulance chaser (that one was for you jackmd).

jackmd
03-04-2005, 11:43 AM
This was something I learned in lawschool in between naps and before I became an ambulance chaser (that one was for you jackmd).


Call me, I have a lot of patients with smoking induced lung disease (some who never smoked) and I'd like to supplement my income.

sports_buff
03-04-2005, 12:21 PM
For clarification purposes, the Frost would legally qualify as a quasi-public/quasi-private forum. Under those situations, the general public does not enjoy the full benefits of their otherwise constitutionally mandated personal rights. This is similar to when a school newspaper is censored for some reason or another by the administrators. Thus, SDSU (and USD in the dome for that matter) has every right to enforce a censorship of sorts when telling people to take down signs or turn their shirts inside out. They are not infringing on anyone's rights.

This was something I learned in lawschool in between naps and before I became an ambulance chaser (that one was for you jackmd).


I didn't think I would ever again hear the term quasi-public forum. We devoted about 3 weeks of our 1st Amendment rights class to what Prof. Day called "T-shirt Gate." He even had me do my paper on T-Shirt Gate, I had to do interviews with everyone involved, etc. I don't know if you ever had Prof. Day, but man when you get him sidetracked he can go all day.

joeybrownerHOF
03-04-2005, 12:23 PM
MJA- I figured as much
Sbuff-you aint kidding, does Pike get him going?