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JACKGUYII
03-03-2005, 12:10 PM
Will the Jacks and USD ever get back on the field and court. I would rather see us play USD than a DIII school. I think it's time to put the grudges and pettiness
aside and begin playing again in 2006/2007. I'm not sure in football if it would be a fair fight as the Jacks would be at 50 scholarships and USD 36 if the max in DII stands. Basketball we should be playing every year even if its an exhibition game . I still feel a game in Vermillion should be once in a blue moon if ever. I think the logical sequence is one year Brookings and the next in Sioux Falls.

Rabbitlivinginverm
03-03-2005, 12:39 PM
I would also like to see us play again, as long as we win. Playing us as always been USD's nat'l championship so if we played and lost in the future it would hurt me as much as it would feel good for them.

I like the idea of Brookings then Sx Falls for BBall. That would be a great double header, even if exhibition. I wish we could come to terms. I think we will in the future when usd realizes were not coming down there ever again. The chances of that are about as likely as usd winning a conference champ in baseball :-/

That could even work for football. One year in Brookings, the next in Sx. Falls.

We shall see...

sports_buff
03-03-2005, 01:15 PM
I would also like to see us play again, as long as we win. Playing us as always been USD's nat'l championship so if we played and lost in the future it would hurt me as much as it would feel good for them.

I like the idea of Brookings then Sx Falls for BBall. That would be a great double header, even if exhibition. I wish we could come to terms. I think we will in the future when usd realizes were not coming down there ever again. The chances of that are about as likely as usd winning a conference champ in baseball :-/

That could even work for football. One year in Brookings, the next in Sx. Falls.

We shall see...


I sure hope they work something out. I don't know why you act like State v. USD game was always a lot bigger to USD than it was SDSU. It was big for both teams. The season wasn't the same without playing State. I missed getting to Cubby's at about 11am, drinking all day, and then going to the game.
I would love to see the game be held in SF.

JACKGUYII
03-03-2005, 01:21 PM
I sure hope they work something out. I don't know why you act like State v. USD game was always a lot bigger to USD than it was SDSU. It was big for both teams. The season wasn't the same without playing State. I missed getting to Cubby's at about 11am, drinking all day, and then going to the game.
I would love to see the game be held in SF.


I agree that the game held the same level of importance for both players and fans at the two schools.

Rabbitlivinginverm
03-03-2005, 01:49 PM
I agree that the game held the same level of importance for both players and fans at the two schools.

No doubt the game was important. But, imo, SDSU looked foward to conference and nat'l championships first, then beating USD. USD put beating SDSU on the top of their lists. I'm not saying USD didn't have the goal of winning a championship, it just didn't seem as important to them as it did to SDSU.

GoJacks02
03-03-2005, 02:24 PM
I don't mind that we don't play USD any more, and I don't care if we ever do again. It was a rivalry game that got alot of attention, but, over the years I have soured on it.

Competition aside, it seems USD has lost all respect for a sporting rivalry between the two schools. Even their PA announcers get into it by calling the Jacks the "bunnies" every time they get a chance. The classless way their administration handled the "Beat State, Not Your Wife" scenario is another example of how the entire campus has a "little man's" complex when it comes to dealing with State.

Besides. They aren't as competitive as they think they are.

Go State.

joeybrownerHOF
03-03-2005, 02:41 PM
You might want to look into the results on that one GoJacks. The U hasn't been a slouch. State has won more football games in the last 12 years they have been competitive(but I will give you State is better in FB)I still think the U has the alltime lead. Men's BB might suprise you over the last 10 years. State has alltime lead but The U has the advantage over the last 10 yrs.

Rabbitlivinginverm
03-03-2005, 02:55 PM
I think the Jacks hold a slight advantage in the last 10 for mens bball. Womens isn't even close. Does anyone know of a sight where one might look up these stats. The schools webpage only archieve so far back. Maybe someone has a program from last year.

joeybrownerHOF
03-03-2005, 03:03 PM
I have a Volante (usd student paper, so take it for whats it worth, i guess) article from last year discussing the rivalry before the last game at USD. The article (which may be wrong, wouldn't be the first time) stated that State had all-time lead of 112-87 (80 years of playing bb) but over the last 10 years, the U had a 11-10 advantage. The U won that game, purely on the obscene play of little-known and now unused Yote Brock Seim (kid played out of his frickn mind that night). The Yotes then defeated State in Omaha. That makes it 13-10 Yotes over the last 10 years (assuming the Volante was correct on the 11-10 advantage). My point was GoJacks stated the Yotes haven't been competitive, that's all.

Texas_Jacks_Fan
03-03-2005, 03:06 PM
I could care less if we ever play the u again, I would much rather see Wyoming, Minnesota, Nebraska, NDSU, Iowa, or Iowa St. as our regional rivalry game. I'm in agreement that I will never miss the behavior exhibited at usd games

joeybrownerHOF
03-03-2005, 03:15 PM
From the attendance figures last year, it looks like the NDSU rivalry is off to a great start. All that is left is few memorable games and spats to help intensify the battles.

Texas_Jacks_Fan
03-03-2005, 03:20 PM
We will develop a great rivalry with NDSU (see last years FB game) But it will never have the visceral hatred like usd. SDSU and NDSU are so similar in so many ways it would be like hating yourself, The rivalry as I see it with NDSU is born out of respect. But its a school I want to beat every time . The braggin rights of the Dakota Territory go with that win!!!

89rabbit
03-03-2005, 03:21 PM
Men's BB might suprise you over the last 10 years. State has alltime lead but The U has the advantage over the last 10 yrs.


The past ten years ('94/'95 - '04/'05) SDSU has a 12-9 advantage over the U in Men's basketball. All time SDSU leads 114-87. 8)

http://www3.sdstate.edu/ClassLibrary/Page/Information/DataInstances/11572/Files/26000/MBB_Media_Guide_2004.pdf

By the way the '04-'05 Men's Basketball Media guide is finally on line. :-/

Go State! ;D

joeybrownerHOF
03-03-2005, 03:32 PM
you are correct State won more, my bad. I count usd 11-13. I was going on 93-94 to 03-04 since we didn't play this year. That does count some early domination of the Soderberg coached teams (isn't he now coach at St. Louis, for the time being). I guess that is what I get for using the Volante as a source :-X

Jack
03-03-2005, 06:22 PM
Sad to use football and men's basketball as a barometer of superiority of one program versus another. I think we ought to come out of the caves and think about women's athletics, too.

89rabbit
03-03-2005, 07:07 PM
Women's athletics is a subject that USD people don't like to talk about. Can anyone say Title IX law suit? :o ;)

Go State! ;D

sports_buff
03-03-2005, 07:24 PM
I don't mind that we don't play USD any more, and I don't care if we ever do again. It was a rivalry game that got alot of attention, but, over the years I have soured on it.

Competition aside, it seems USD has lost all respect for a sporting rivalry between the two schools. Even their PA announcers get into it by calling the Jacks the "bunnies" every time they get a chance. The classless way their administration handled the "Beat State, Not Your Wife" scenario is another example of how the entire campus has a "little man's" complex when it comes to dealing with State.


Go State.

USD's administration tried to keep students from wearing the Beat State...Not Your Wife t-shirts, but they were threatened with lawsuits. There were people who were threatening lawsuits all over the place for violating people's freedom of speech. So instead the administration passed out free t-shirts to all the students and tried to get people to wear those. I don't know what more you wanted USD's administration to do to cover up the embarrassment that your administration caused.
It was just part of a rivalry anyway. If you rather have a rivalry where both schools kiss each other's butt then you will enjoy your new rivalry with NDSU a lot more.

Rabbitlivinginverm
03-03-2005, 07:32 PM
USD's administration tried to keep students from wearing the Beat State...Not Your Wife t-shirts. If you rather have a rivalry where both schools kiss each other's butt then you will enjoy your new rivalry with NDSU a lot more.


Yeah, Mr. Abbot tried so hard that he was sitting right next to someone wearing one of those shirts. And speaking of those shirts, it's pretty disgusting that your PLAYERS were selling them!!!!!!!!!!!!

Regarding the rivalry with NDSU, we will enjoy it. Are you enjoying your rivalry with Augie?

sports_buff
03-03-2005, 07:41 PM
Yeah, Mr. Abbot tried so hard that he was sitting right next to someone wearing one of those shirts. And speaking of those shirts, it's pretty disgusting that your PLAYERS were selling them!!!!!!!!!!!!

Regarding the rivalry with NDSU, we will enjoy it. Are you enjoying your rivalry with Augie?


Not particulary. There is no hatred there. As I've said before, you can't manufacture a good rivarly, they just happen. You can't go years without considering someone a rival, then all of a sudden over a span of a year think of them as your rival.

89rabbit
03-03-2005, 07:48 PM
I will say it was kind of fun being everyone elses rival. SDSU was USD's biggest game, Augie's biggest game, and even Northern's. I guess that is what happens when you are King of the Hill! 8)

Go State! ;D

sports_buff
03-03-2005, 08:14 PM
I will say it was kind of fun being everyone elses rival. SDSU was USD's biggest game, Augie's biggest game, and even Northern's. I guess that is what happens when you are King of the Hill! 8)

Go State! ;D

Looking at the 2003-04 season I see that USD drew more fans on the road than SDSU did. Now the question is "Is that because USD fans travel better?" I don't think that would be the reason, since SDSU drew slightly better for home games. I think it's probably because a lot of school's view USD as their rival. This year I went to Mantakto to watch the USD game and I was very surprised to find that I was part of a record crowd, breaking the old record by about 1,000 fans. I figured they would have considered St. Cloud a bigger rival.

SiouxFallsJack
03-03-2005, 10:30 PM
Hey sports_biff, don't pat yourself on the back. I doubt Mankato considers USD a rival. This is their best team in 15-20 years. Why wouldn't they draw a large crowd against a team they are competing with for a conference championship?

jackmd
03-04-2005, 07:33 AM
Looking at the 2003-04 season I see that USD drew more fans on the road than SDSU did. Now the question is "Is that because USD fans travel better?" I don't think that would be the reason, since SDSU drew slightly better for home games. I think it's probably because a lot of school's view USD as their rival. This year I went to Mantakto to watch the USD game and I was very surprised to find that I was part of a record crowd, breaking the old record by about 1,000 fans. I figured they would have considered St. Cloud a bigger rival.

Getting a little carried away here biff. Everything positive about the MSUM program is directly related to SDSU. I don't think I need to explain. MSUM doesn't have a current rivalry because they haven't been worth a damn until the last several years. A fledgling rivalry with SDSU was in the works. You could say that MSUM owes a lot to SDSU.

joeybrownerHOF
03-04-2005, 07:40 AM
JackMD, I am out of the caves concerning women athletics, and basically conceded the Jack's women basketball superiority over the last 8-10 years. Not to make an excuse (but I will). We had a situation here that you are probably aware of that made the Cheryl Littlejohn at Minnesota catastorphe look mild. Lavin is starting to right the ship a little bit. However, I do realize even without what happened here off the court State has built themselves a solid program in WBB recently that would be hard to match.

Texas_Jacks_Fan
03-04-2005, 07:42 AM
JACK brought up womens teams, what is States record vs usd in WBB?

Rabbitlivinginverm
03-04-2005, 01:39 PM
JACK brought up womens teams, what is States record vs usd in WBB?

Since A.J. took over in 2000, we hold a 9-2 advantage. Not sure about the years prior to that though.

Jack
03-04-2005, 02:13 PM
From the early 90s until Koupal went to USD, the Jackrabbit women never lost to USD. At least that is what I remember. On top of that --- until two years ago, the USD women's volley ball team didn't beat State's women either. It was no surprise USD got into a lawsuit about women's athletics, they were second class citizens in Vermillion.

SiouxFallsJack
03-04-2005, 02:17 PM
Our record against USD is 46-21 on page 60 from this years media guide.

Texas_Jacks_Fan
03-04-2005, 02:17 PM
Womens athletics are definetly not second class at SDSU - I'm very poud of that!!

Rabbitlivinginverm
03-04-2005, 02:38 PM
FYI, since 1990 the Jacks hold a 11-3 record vs. the U in football. With losses in 1993, 97, and 2000. Overall, USD leads the series.

jackmd
03-05-2005, 07:31 AM
FYI, since 1990 the Jacks hold a 11-3 record vs. the U in football. With losses in 1993, 97, and 2000. Overall, USD leads the series.

In men's BB SDSU holds a 114-87 overall record against USD.

jackmd
03-05-2005, 07:48 AM
Since we have been talking back to the good ol' days of the NCC I thought I'd post this again.

SDSU men awarded NCC all-sports title 11 times including 4 of their last 5 years in the NCC. NDSU second with 8 titles. USD ZERO.

Men’s All-Sports Honor Roll: 1970-71 North Dakota St., 1971-72 Northern Iowa, 1972-73 Northern Iowa, 1973-74 Northern Iowa, 1974-75 Northern Iowa,
1975-76 Minnesota St., Mankato/South Dakota St., 1976-77 Northern Iowa, 1977-78 Northern Iowa, 1978-79 South Dakota St., 1979-80 South Dakota St.,
1980-81 South Dakota St., 1981-82 North Dakota St., 1982-83 North Dakota St., 1983-84 North Dakota St., 1984-85 North Dakota St., 1985-86 Minnesota
St., Mankato, 1986-87 Minnesota St., Mankato, 1987-88 Minnesota St., Mankato, 1988-89 North Dakota St., 1989-90 North Dakota St., 1990-91 North
Dakota, 1991-92 South Dakota St., 1992-93 Minnesota St., Mankato, 1993-94 Minnesota St., Mankato, 1994-95 Minnesota St., Mankato, 1995-96 South
Dakota St., 1996-97 South Dakota St., 1997-98 St. Cloud St., 1998-99 Minnesota State, Mankato, 1999-2000 South Dakota State, 2000-01 South Dakota
State, 2001-02 South Dakota St., 2002-03 South Dakota State, 2003-04 North Dakota State.

As for the women, SDSU 4 titles and again USD ZERO.

Women’s All-Sports Honor Roll: 1982-83 South Dakota State, 1983-84 Minnesota State, Mankato, 1984-85 Minnesota State, Mankato, 1985-86 Minnesota
State, Mankato, 1986-87 Minnesota State, Mankato, 1987-88 North Dakota State, 1988-89 Minnesota State, Mankato, 1989-90 North Dakota State,
1990-91 MSU, Mankato/North Dakota St., 1991-92 St. Cloud State, 1992-93 North Dakota, 1993-94 South Dakota State, 1994-95 South Dakota State,
1995-96 Minnesota State, Mankato, 1996-97 St. Cloud State/South Dakota State, 1997-98 Northern Colorado, 1998-99 North Dakota State, 1999-00
North Dakota State, 2000-01 North Dakota, 2001-02 North Dakota, 2002-03 Nebraska-Omaha, 2003-04 North Dakota.

Its not bad to come in behind SDSU, USD is use to that. Trailing everyone else kind of sucks though. Its clear that SDSU had the premier athletic program in what was a premier conference in DII. Just as clear, USD is a below average athletic program in what was a premier DII conference. Just the facts, Jack.

filbert
03-05-2005, 09:13 AM
As the saying goes, "it sucks to be U."

sports_buff
03-06-2005, 02:13 PM
Since we have been talking back to the good ol' days of the NCC I thought I'd post this again.

SDSU men awarded NCC all-sports title 11 times including 4 of their last 5 years in the NCC. NDSU second with 8 titles. USD ZERO.

Men’s All-Sports Honor Roll: 1970-71 North Dakota St., 1971-72 Northern Iowa, 1972-73 Northern Iowa, 1973-74 Northern Iowa, 1974-75 Northern Iowa,
1975-76 Minnesota St., Mankato/South Dakota St., 1976-77 Northern Iowa, 1977-78 Northern Iowa, 1978-79 South Dakota St., 1979-80 South Dakota St.,
1980-81 South Dakota St., 1981-82 North Dakota St., 1982-83 North Dakota St., 1983-84 North Dakota St., 1984-85 North Dakota St., 1985-86 Minnesota
St., Mankato, 1986-87 Minnesota St., Mankato, 1987-88 Minnesota St., Mankato, 1988-89 North Dakota St., 1989-90 North Dakota St., 1990-91 North
Dakota, 1991-92 South Dakota St., 1992-93 Minnesota St., Mankato, 1993-94 Minnesota St., Mankato, 1994-95 Minnesota St., Mankato, 1995-96 South
Dakota St., 1996-97 South Dakota St., 1997-98 St. Cloud St., 1998-99 Minnesota State, Mankato, 1999-2000 South Dakota State, 2000-01 South Dakota
State, 2001-02 South Dakota St., 2002-03 South Dakota State, 2003-04 North Dakota State.

As for the women, SDSU 4 titles and again USD ZERO.

Women’s All-Sports Honor Roll: 1982-83 South Dakota State, 1983-84 Minnesota State, Mankato, 1984-85 Minnesota State, Mankato, 1985-86 Minnesota
State, Mankato, 1986-87 Minnesota State, Mankato, 1987-88 North Dakota State, 1988-89 Minnesota State, Mankato, 1989-90 North Dakota State,
1990-91 MSU, Mankato/North Dakota St., 1991-92 St. Cloud State, 1992-93 North Dakota, 1993-94 South Dakota State, 1994-95 South Dakota State,
1995-96 Minnesota State, Mankato, 1996-97 St. Cloud State/South Dakota State, 1997-98 Northern Colorado, 1998-99 North Dakota State, 1999-00
North Dakota State, 2000-01 North Dakota, 2001-02 North Dakota, 2002-03 Nebraska-Omaha, 2003-04 North Dakota.

Its not bad to come in behind SDSU, USD is use to that. Trailing everyone else kind of sucks though. Its clear that SDSU had the premier athletic program in what was a premier conference in DII. Just as clear, USD is a below average athletic program in what was a premier DII conference. Just the facts, Jack.

In SDSU's last year in the conference they finished 5th place in the North Central Conference Cup, while USD placed 2nd, just behind NDSU. USD's women, who some on this board have referred to as second class citizens, placed 3rd among the women, while SDSU's women placed 6th in the conference. USD athletics are on the rise.

Texas_Jacks_Fan
03-06-2005, 03:03 PM
It's usd that treats its womens athletics as second class

can u say TITLE IX voilations??

GoJacks02
03-06-2005, 03:29 PM
Buff...

I can't see the argument for USD sports being on the rise. A single second place finish and it has you raving? The important part of the All Sports Title arugment was the concept of ZERO (which, I believe is why it was bolded). USD has NEVER taken the title back to Vermillion. Never.

Now that the competitive environment is watered down like an airport whisky, I would expect USD to start doing better. But, as far as USD is concerned, the initials NCC stand for something else... NEVER CAME CLOSE.

8) 8)

Jack
03-06-2005, 03:44 PM
sports--buff, you are so young.

GoJacks02
03-06-2005, 03:55 PM
USD's administration tried to keep students from wearing the Beat State...Not Your Wife t-shirts, but they were threatened with lawsuits. There were people who were threatening lawsuits all over the place for violating people's freedom of speech. So instead the administration passed out free t-shirts to all the students and tried to get people to wear those. I don't know what more you wanted USD's administration to do to cover up the embarrassment that your administration caused.
It was just part of a rivalry anyway. If you rather have a rivalry where both schools kiss each other's butt then you will enjoy your new rivalry with NDSU a lot more.


I am not going to agree with you. Rivals don't have to hate each other. They have to compete with each other and share respect. USD failed to do either.

As for freedom of speech lawsuits...well, one of those case studies I did in Mass Comm law is finally paying off.

In Pyle v. South Hadley Sch. Comm. (1994), a federal court in Massachusetts held that a school did have the right to prevent students from wearing T-shirts containing sexual material and vulgar speech. The restrictions did not violate the students' First Amendment rights even if there was no immediate threat of disruption as a result of the shirts. Schools can also prohibit students from wearing clothing that school officials consider offensive, intimidating, or threatening. A school can prohibit clothing that some would consider offensive, intimidating, or threatening if the school reasonably believed that a "substantial and material disruption" would result.

It is not illegal to tell students that if they wear offensive clothing, they aren't going to be permitted into the game. It paralells to someone cursing in the stands -their "free speech" isn't protected if they contiually cause a disturbance. If USD official crumbled at the though of lawsuits on the matter, then I seriously doubt their identity as a Law School.

And...I was at that double header in Vermillion, I didn't see anyone handing out t-shirts.

And, I do think NDSU will be a better rivalry. I had a few conversations with NDSU fans at the Dakota Marker game, and it sounds like we have alot in common - apparently UND has the little brother complex in North Dakota, and resorts to childish tactics that aren't in the interest of sportsmanship.

sports_buff
03-06-2005, 08:28 PM
I am not going to agree with you. Rivals don't have to hate each other. They have to compete with each other and share respect. USD failed to do either.

As for freedom of speech lawsuits...well, one of those case studies I did in Mass Comm law is finally paying off.

In Pyle v. South Hadley Sch. Comm. (1994), a federal court in Massachusetts held that a school did have the right to prevent students from wearing T-shirts containing sexual material and vulgar speech. The restrictions did not violate the students' First Amendment rights even if there was no immediate threat of disruption as a result of the shirts. Schools can also prohibit students from wearing clothing that school officials consider offensive, intimidating, or threatening. A school can prohibit clothing that some would consider offensive, intimidating, or threatening if the school reasonably believed that a "substantial and material disruption" would result.

It is not illegal to tell students that if they wear offensive clothing, they aren't going to be permitted into the game. It paralells to someone cursing in the stands -their "free speech" isn't protected if they contiually cause a disturbance. If USD official crumbled at the though of lawsuits on the matter, then I seriously doubt their identity as a Law School.

And...I was at that double header in Vermillion, I didn't see anyone handing out t-shirts.

And, I do think NDSU will be a better rivalry. I had a few conversations with NDSU fans at the Dakota Marker game, and it sounds like we have alot in common - apparently UND has the little brother complex in North Dakota, and resorts to childish tactics that aren't in the interest of sportsmanship.


Were you wearing a Beat State shirt? Probably not, thats why you didn't get a free t-shirt, they were being passed out to the students. Besides, whats so offensive about saying you should channel your aggression through athletic contests and not through spousal abuse. Part of the proceeds of the shirts went to charity.
When USD gets sued and loses for firing a volleyball coach after losing 47 straight NCC games, I would think a lawsuit would make them a little nervous.
Do you call Osama Bin Mueller flyers respectful? Do you call reading newspapers during the opponents starting lineups, respectful. There is a lot that both schools did that weren't respectful. The only difference is USD didn't cry about it and they understood that it's all part of a good rivalry.

sports_buff
03-06-2005, 08:32 PM
Buff...

I can't see the argument for USD sports being on the rise. A single second place finish and it has you raving? The important part of the All Sports Title arugment was the concept of ZERO (which, I believe is why it was bolded). USD has NEVER taken the title back to Vermillion. Never.

Now that the competitive environment is watered down like an airport whisky, I would expect USD to start doing better. But, as far as USD is concerned, the initials NCC stand for something else... NEVER CAME CLOSE.

8) 8)

Your last year in DII we had better athletics than you. I'm just trying to stay recent here. If you want to go way back in history then you can stop saying our football team sucks, because we won the all time series.

And by the way, saying USD athletics is on the rise isn't exactly raving.

GoJacks02
03-06-2005, 08:54 PM
Your last year in DII we had better athletics than you. I'm just trying to stay recent here. If you want to go way back in history then you can stop saying our football team sucks, because we won the all time series.

And by the way, saying USD athletics is on the rise isn't exactly raving.


College sports isn't about one year. College sports is about a tradition of excellence. And when we're talking about PROGRAMS, USD needs a high chair to eat at the table with SDSU - and any comment to the contrary is said with more spirit than rationale.

And you can say USD athletics is on the rise. They have to gain ground now that their main competition has owned up to the challenge of Division I. Being gererous, USD is still the 3rd best program left in the dilapidated NCC.

I never said your football team sucks. And I don't think your basketball team sucks. And I don't think your tracksters suck. You guys are doing well...for a Division II team.

I never thought USD was on the same level as SDSU. And now we have the NCAA classificiation to prove it.

sports_buff
03-06-2005, 09:10 PM
I never thought USD was on the same level as SDSU. And now we have the NCAA classificiation to prove it.




I know that you don't really think just being called DI means you are better than all DII schools. Your men's basketball team proved that this year. Your men's basketball team could have also proven it the last 10 years, had they played some of the DI teams they did this year. Had you played the same schedule in your hey day you would have had a pretty good record, even though you were DII, the same could be said for your women.

SDSUFAN
03-06-2005, 09:31 PM
I know that you don't really think just being called DI means you are better than all DII schools. Your men's basketball team proved that this year. Your men's basketball team could have also proven it the last 10 years, had they played some of the DI teams they did this year. Had you played the same schedule in your hey day you would have had a pretty good record, even though you were DII, the same could be said for your women.

Yes being D1 is better than being D2, thats why we have the divisions and numbers. Crow all you want about this year, its next year and the following years that will get the print in the Argus.

jackmd
03-07-2005, 08:34 AM
I was just posting the facts biff, nothing more. Didn't even expect a reply really.

Good luck to the Yotes in Denver, I assume?

89rabbit
03-14-2005, 09:05 AM
Congrats on surviving your game with Winona St. We beat them by 11 this season. SDSU 70 - Winona St. 59 ;D

South Dakota gains final by edging Winona State

Minneapolis Star Tribune

Turner Trofholz (19 points) and Luke Tibbetts (17) led South Dakota to a 73-68 victory over Winona State. . .

Go State, South Dakota's ONLY D-I University! 8)

sports_buff
03-14-2005, 09:50 AM
Congrats on surviving your game with Winona St. We beat them by 11 this season. SDSU 70 - Winona St. 59 ;D

South Dakota gains final by edging Winona State

Minneapolis Star Tribune

Turner Trofholz (19 points) and Luke Tibbetts (17) led South Dakota to a 73-68 victory over Winona State. . .

Go State, South Dakota's ONLY D-I University! 8)

Keep living off that Winona win. Hopefully it will make you forget your drubbings to Southwest St., the two Wayne State's, and Morningside.

I'm pretty worried about Metro. I saw what they did to you guys last year, I sure hope the same thing doesn't happen to us. I can't ever see a Dave Boots team getting beat by 40points, but Metro is awful tough on their court. Now that Anderson is hurt we are down to 6 players that actually play. Hopefully we can avoid foul trouble. The RMAC has kind of dominated the region lately, hopefully USD can change that. I wish this game would have been in Omaha.

89rabbit
03-14-2005, 10:29 AM
The Winona game means little to us now. It's our three D-I wins last season that make me smile. Reason being, I know they were just the beginning. As Timbuk 3 sang "The future's so bright, I gotta wear shades!" 8)

Go State! ;D

water
04-13-2005, 08:10 PM
USD and SDSU went head to head in track and field last Saturday in Wayne NE.
Results can be found at
http://www.usdcoyotes.com/releases/attachments/200549211581221819743-1.htm
and
http://www.usdcoyotes.com/releases/attachments/200549211581221819743-2.htm

New Coach DeHaven has a lot of work to do to bring SDSU track and field back to it's former prominence. Ever since Fred fired Scott Underwood the program has struggled

jackmd
04-14-2005, 06:03 AM
USD and SDSU went head to head in track and field last Saturday in Wayne NE.
Results can be found at
http://www.usdcoyotes.com/releases/attachments/200549211581221819743-1.htm
and
http://www.usdcoyotes.com/releases/attachments/200549211581221819743-2.htm

New Coach DeHaven has a lot of work to do to bring SDSU track and field back to it's former prominence. Ever since Fred fired Scott Underwood the program has struggled

Thanks for the updates USDSPORTSFAN. Now, back to lurking in the shadows until you can bring some more negativity. Get a life. Popping in on this forum and ripping our recruits, programs and conference aspirations. How noble you are.

JACKGUYII
04-15-2005, 02:10 PM
The anticipated 2005 Coyote Football Schedule is out.South Dakota Football Team Announces Football Schedule That Includes Three Playoff Teams and Two League Champions


2005 Coyote Football Schedule
Thursday, August 25 – at Minnesota-Crookston, Nonconference, Season Opener, Ed Witseth, Field, Crookston, Minn., 7 p.m.
UM-Crookston had a 2-8 record, finishing 2-5 for sixth in the Northern Sun Intercollegiate Conference a year ago. UM-Crookston was 0-3 vs. NCC teams a year ago and, aside from USD, play NCC member St. Cloud State on Sept. 3 and Augustana on Sept. 17 in 2005. This will be the first meeting between USD and UM-Crookston.

Sept. 3 – Truman State, Nonconference, DakotaDome, 2 p.m.
Truman State had a 2-9 record in 2004. After opening the season with an 0-7 record, the Bulldogs finished with two straight wins, outscoring opponents 63-33. Truman State nearly defeated playoff participant Northwest Missouri State, dropping a 45-42 decision in week eight. South Dakota improved its series record vs. Truman State to 9-1 with a 49-22 over Truman State on August 28 in the Coyotes' season opener last season.

Sept. 10 – Minnesota State, Moorhead, Nonconference, DakotaDome, 2 p.m.
USD defeated MSU-Moorhead, 51-3, at the DakotaDome a year ago in week three. It was the first-ever meeting between the schools. MSU Moorhead finished 0-11, 0-7 for eighth in the NSIC.

Sept. 17 – at Colorado School of Mines, Brooks Field, Golden, Colo., 1 p.m. (MST)
South Dakota will meet Colorado School of Mines for the first time. A year ago, Colorado-Mines finished with an 12-1 record and won the Rocky Mountain Intercollegiate Conference with an 8-0 mark. Colorado Mines advanced to the second round of the NCAA Division II playoffs a year ago, dropping a 70-35 decision to Pittsburg State.

Sept. 24 – Nebraska-Omaha, NCC home opener, Hall of Fame Day, DakotaDome, 2 p.m.
Nebraska-Omaha won the NCC in 2004, finishing with a 5-1 record in the league and 8-3 overall. UNO defeated USD, 20-13, in week five at Omaha, Neb., a year ago. USD owns a 23-21-1 overall series advantage over the Mavericks.

Oct. 1 – at Augustana, NCC road opener, Howard Wood Field, Sioux Falls, S.D., 1 p.m.
South Dakota defeated Augustana, 23-0, on Dakota Day at the DakotaDome in 2004. USD owns a 41-19 overall series advantage and have won three straight games over the Vikings. Augustana was 3-8 overall and 0-6 for seventh in the NCC a year ago.

Oct. 8 – Minnesota State, Mankato, NCC game, Dakota Day, DakotaDome, 2 p.m.
South Dakota rallied for a 30-23 win over Minnesota-State, Mankato, at Mankato, Minn., in week seven in 2004. A year ago, Minnesota State had a 6-5 record, including 3-3 for fifth place in the NCC. USD leads the overall series, 17-11, and have won two straight over the Mavericks.

Oct. 15 – at St. Cloud State, NCC, Husky Stadium, St. Cloud, Minn, 1 p.m.
A year ago, USD defeated St. Cloud State, 37-21, at the DakotaDome in week eight. In 2004, the Coyotes ended a three-game losing streak vs. the Huskies, which now leads the overall series with USD, 14-9. St. Cloud State finished 2004 with an 8-3 record, including 4-2 and a tie for second in the NCC (South Dakota, North Dakota). St. Cloud State advanced to the post-season playoffs where they lost a 20-17 double overtime game with North Dakota.

Oct. 22 – Upper Iowa, Nonconference, DakotaDome, 2 p.m.
A year ago, USD took a 45-12 nonconference decision over Upper Iowa at Griggs Field in Fayette, Iowa. It was the first-ever meeting between the schools. Upper Iowa finished 2-8 a year ago in its first season in Division II.

Oct. 29 – at Minnesota-Duluth NCC, Griggs Field, Duluth, Minn., 1 p.m.
South Dakota captured a 48-21 decision over Minnesota-Duluth at the DakotaDome. It was UMD’s first season in the NCC. The overall series between the schools is tied 2-2. UMD finished 4-7 and 1-5 for sixth in the NCC in 2004.

Nov. 5 – North Dakota, NCC, DakotaDome, 2 p.m.
A year ago, North Dakota took a 41-21 decision over South Dakota in week 11. North Dakota finished 9-2 overall and 4-2 for a second-place tie (South Dakota and St. Cloud State) in the NCC. North Dakota were selected to the NCAA Division II playoffs, where UND lost in the semifinals to Pittsburg State, 31-19. UND owns a 55-27-5 overall series advantage vs. USD.

CatchEmAll
04-15-2005, 02:14 PM
Let me try my hand at some math. Their non-conference opponents finished a combined 18-37, 12 of those wins by one school. Which one will be dubbed the Cupcake Bowl?

MilwaukeeJacksAlum
04-15-2005, 02:18 PM
If USD doesn't go at least 8-3 with that schedule, it would be a failure. The current coach must be chomping at the bit to get out of the prior idiotic scheduling agreements because that schedule is horrible. I could realistically see them going 9-2 and missing the playoffs again with that schedule.

JACKGUYII
04-15-2005, 02:23 PM
DIAA feels pretty good when you look at that schedule!

MilwaukeeJacksAlum
04-15-2005, 02:31 PM
I can only figure that USD must have had a hard time filling the schedule when SDSU and NDSU departed, but I find it hard to believe they couldn't do any better than that. SDSU and every school has had the occasional UW-Stout and SD Tech as their opening day "pre-season" game, but to have 4 of them in one year is inexusable. Like last year, if USD fails to make the playoffs with a good record they only have themselves to blame.

jackmd
04-15-2005, 05:58 PM
Upper Iowa and USD are expected to be traveling partners in the new NSIC. This is the beginning of a long love affair between USD and UUI. Its really not that far-fetched if you think about it.

JBNJBQ
04-16-2005, 05:41 AM
usdII has always scheduled a bunch of weaker schools on the front end of their schedules. They like the press they get when they go "undefeated" before the conference starts. They start out looking like they really have a team "this year." Then in the conference (in years past) they drop to the middle of the pack.

I will say that last year without SDSU, NDSU and UNC they did have fewer losses than usual. I don't think it had anything to do with the quality of their team. It had more to do with the quality of their competition. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


JBNJBQ

sports_buff
04-18-2005, 07:17 AM
I can only figure that USD must have had a hard time filling the schedule when SDSU and NDSU departed, but I find it hard to believe they couldn't do any better than that. SDSU and every school has had the occasional UW-Stout and SD Tech as their opening day "pre-season" game, but to have 4 of them in one year is inexusable.

Now we are going to take 12-1 teams and call them cupcakes. ::)
I do wish we were playing tougher teams in the pre conference schedule than Crookston and Truman St. But I wouldn't be so hard on those teams if I was you. They are to DII what you guys are to DI. If University of Nebraska was ever to schedule SDSU and NDSU everybody would be talking about their embarrassing preconference schedule. In fact they are catching $hit for scheduling both of you guys in baseball. You are one of those teams that are embarrassing to schedule for the big dogs. I guess I rather play a few crappy teams, than be one of the crappy teams. ;)

MilwaukeeJacksAlum
04-18-2005, 07:37 AM
Now we are going to take 12-1 teams and call them cupcakes. ::)
I do wish we were playing tougher teams in the pre conference schedule than Crookston and Truman St. But I wouldn't be so hard on those teams if I was you. They are to DII what you guys are to DI. If University of Nebraska was ever to schedule SDSU and NDSU everybody would be talking about their embarrassing preconference schedule. In fact they are catching $hit for scheduling both of you guys in baseball. You are one of those teams that are embarrassing to schedule for the big dogs. I guess I rather play a few crappy teams, than be one of the crappy teams. ;)


Upper Iowa: 2-8
Moorehead: 0-11
Truman St: 2-9
Crookston: 2-8

By my count that's four teams that can claim 6 wins total. I bet if you dug into those wins, 2/3 of them would be against DIII or NAIA competition. That's what I meant by cupcakes.

And, we're not in the same division as Nebraska in football. We're D1-AA and were 6-5 last year. Hardly one of the crappy teams. Also, in all of our years of DII, we never had a schedule as laughable as that. While USD was scheduling Northern and sisters of the blind, we were playing Cal Davis and Northwest Missouris State and Grand Valley State. There's other options out there, USD just didn't want to play them.

Texas_Jacks_Fan
04-18-2005, 07:40 AM
We were 6-5 last year with one of the toughest schedules in all of DI AA. Spare us your schedule comparisons.

JACKGUYII
04-18-2005, 08:04 AM
Even if USD waltzes through that joke of a schedule I see the Coyotes continue you to struggle keeping everyone but the hard core fans interested in what's happening in Vermillion. Meanwhile the Jacks will be playing 6 home DIAA games against worthy opponents. In our second year of competition I'm sensing the gap of talent and interest widening between SDSU and USD.

sports_buff
04-18-2005, 08:12 AM
We were 6-5 last year with one of the toughest schedules in all of DI AA. Spare us your schedule comparisons.

I'm not saying that the Jacks have an easy schedule, far from it. I'm saying that the Jacks are a cupcake in most sports for the good DI teams. The Jacks are the Upper Iowa of DI.

Mavericks#1
04-18-2005, 08:16 AM
Ask Nebraska baseball about that. College baseball's version of home run derby.

Rabbitlivinginverm
04-18-2005, 08:50 AM
I'm not saying that the Jacks have an easy schedule, far from it. I'm saying that the Jacks are a cupcake in most sports for the good DI teams. The Jacks are the Upper Iowa of DI.

So we're a cupcake of D1? Well, for football our classifcation is D1AA, so comparing us to Nebraska is comparing apples to oranges, it's just not the same. So we're a cupcake of D1AA? Ask Southern, ask NDSU, ask Cal-Poly, ask Montana St....I think they'll disagree with your assessment.

sports_buff
04-18-2005, 09:21 AM
So we're a cupcake of D1? Well, for football our classifcation is D1AA, so comparing us to Nebraska is comparing apples to oranges, it's just not the same. So we're a cupcake of D1AA? Ask Southern, ask NDSU, ask Cal-Poly...I think they'll disagree with your assessment.


I asked UC Davis and Geogia Southern and they both agreed with my assessment.
A lot of mens teams in other sports agreed with my assessment as well.

MilwaukeeJacksAlum
04-18-2005, 11:02 AM
Maybe that's USD's ultimate goal. To get out from under the "cupcakes of DII" lable. Looking back at their last decade of performances, I'd say cupcake is a fitting moniker. I know we regurlarly used them as an easy schedule filler while working on the real games against UW-Stout and other more stringent competition.

sports_buff
04-18-2005, 02:05 PM
Maybe that's USD's ultimate goal. To get out from under the "cupcakes of DII" lable. Looking back at their last decade of performances, I'd say cupcake is a fitting moniker. I know we regurlarly used them as an easy schedule filler while working on the real games against UW-Stout and other more stringent competition.

Lets face it neither SDSU or USD have been a powerhouse in DII football the last 10-15 years.

MilwaukeeJacksAlum
04-19-2005, 02:54 PM
Lets face it neither SDSU or USD have been a powerhouse in DII football the last 10-15 years.

Never said we were. However, the difference between USD and SDSU was that SDSU was scheduling games with the ultimate goal of playing the best competition available in order to better the team/program. USD scheduled games to get an easy win so when they went 1-8 in conference play, their record wouldn't look as bad as it was.