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Coyote_Fan
08-11-2005, 03:13 AM
As slanted as the opinion is towards the Blue and Yellow it would be great if the two teams could play this year because the Coyotes will probably field their best team since the 1980's.

The Jacks have dominated the recent series, but the all time series still goes to the Coyotes. I would love to put that series back on the line this year but obviously it won't happen.

JBNJBQ
08-11-2005, 04:10 AM
As slanted as the opinion is towards the Blue and Yellow it would be great if the two teams could play this year because the Coyotes will probably field their best team since the 1980's.

The Jacks have dominated the recent series, but the all time series still goes to the Coyotes. I would love to put that series back on the line this year but obviously it won't happen.

How could that happen? Isn't USD playing 9 man football? Which 2 players would we have to bench? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


JBNJBQ

MilwaukeeJacksAlum
08-11-2005, 06:58 AM
As slanted as the opinion is towards the Blue and Yellow it would be great if the two teams could play this year because the Coyotes will probably field their best team since the 1980's.

The Jacks have dominated the recent series, but the all time series still goes to the Coyotes. I would love to put that series back on the line this year but obviously it won't happen.

You know how many times we heard that at SDSU over the last 15 years? How about every year. Always trickling up from the south. "USD looks really good this year!" "You guys better watch out for Augie. I think they may give you guys a run this year!" Then, we win the game and hear "if this hadn't happened or this had happened, USD/Augie could have won that game." It really is like a broken record. But, you can always fall back on the all-time record between the school when looking for solace.

Jacks99
08-11-2005, 07:19 AM
Nothing like a cake walk schedule like last year to make your team look good. Unfortunately the powers at be, disagreed with your opinion and the yotes stayed home from the playoffs. :o

joeybrownerhof
08-11-2005, 07:31 AM
1979

jackrabbit1979
08-11-2005, 07:42 AM
1979

what do you need? i thought you were asking for me jbhof.


Great year, year i was born. :)

joeybrownerhof
08-11-2005, 01:46 PM
79 was a good year. No I was just giving back a little smack nothing to serious just a little fun. Point being that making the playoffs does not always translate into whether one has a good or bad team. If that was the case, then SDSU's last good team was in 1979, which even a Coyote fan like myself realizes is not close to being true.

Rabbit_FB_Alum
08-11-2005, 06:06 PM
As slanted as the opinion is towards the Blue and Yellow it would be great if the two teams could play this year because the Coyotes will probably field their best team since the 1980's.

The Jacks have dominated the recent series, but the all time series still goes to the Coyotes. I would love to put that series back on the line this year but obviously it won't happen.


It is true that it looks like you will have a good team this year. I would hope you would since you now have 1st dibbs on all the top DII talent in the state since the Jacks are passing over them for the DI talent.
:-*

Rabbitlivinginverm
08-11-2005, 06:11 PM
Just to humor you, if the coyotes played the Jacks, the Jacks would win. ;D

joeybrownerhof
08-11-2005, 10:17 PM
It is true that it looks like you will have a good team this year. I would hope you would since you now have 1st dibbs on all the top DII talent in the state since the Jacks are passing over them for the DI talent.
:-*

nothing wrong with that, heck you scraped out four years playing that level. Guess you were lucky two schools at that level were available in the state during your time.

JACKGUYII
08-13-2005, 01:47 PM
I think the talent level between the 2 schools has widened more than people think as we enter just our second year of DIAA football.

Rabbit_FB_Alum
08-13-2005, 03:58 PM
nothing wrong with that, heck you scraped out four years playing that level. Guess you were lucky two schools at that level were available in the state during your time.


#1. OK.....
#2. I'm not from South Dakota
#3. There are still plenty of DII schools around here.
#4. You completly missed the point of my origional post. My point was that of course the Yotes should have a good team (at the DII level). They no longer have any real compeition in the State to get the best DII athletes, therefore, they should get just about anybody they recruit. However, the Yotes have a roster filled with good D2 talent, the Jacks have a roster filled with DI-AA talent. Common sense will tell you who the better team is.

Rabbit_FB_Alum
08-13-2005, 03:59 PM
I think the talent level between the 2 schools has widened more than people think as we enter just our second year of DIAA football.


I agree, but I think it started to widen before that... like 3 or 4 years ago.

filbert
08-13-2005, 04:08 PM
A USD-SDSU game today would go the way of most games between teams with different talent levels.

USD would stay with SDSU for a while, maybe even score the first touchdown. But as the first half progressed, the Coyotes would wear down . . . first half score, SDSU 28, Coyotes 14.

Second half would just be a matter of how long State kept the starters in.

Final: SDSU 45, USD 17.

The margin will increase as the years go on.

Texas_Jacks_Fan
08-13-2005, 04:10 PM
The talent level widened far before 3-4 years ago. Since 1990 SDSU has owned the yotes on the football field. I'm not exactly sure of the record but its heavily in SDSU's favor

Coyote_Fan
08-13-2005, 11:10 PM
So suddenly the Jacks are stocked with D1 talent huh, for one thing if the Jacks and teams like NDSU and UNC are able to come in and compete so quickly with the teams in D1AA what does that really say about D1AA as a whole. It should take those D2 teams moving up at least 5 years to be competitive if the step up was really that great.

Do most of you honestly think your team from 2004 was all that much better than the team you had in 2003 when still D2. It wasn't and to say they were that much better is simply not very accurate. Lets face it SDSU has been a mediocre NCC team for many years. Most of the time SDSU has finished around 6-3, 5-4 or 4-5 in the conference. It's actually amazing how average the Jacks have been over the last couple of decades at least. Not bad, not good just average. I am not saying USD has been great because not only haven't they been great they have been pretty darn lousy since the 80's.

How many new scholarships has SDSU actually increased by? I am not sure but I know it's not very many. Over the last several years when the NCC was still 10 teams many of their teams could play with not only D1AA teams but some of the better ones.

The message I get by reading the biased posts on here is that SDSU after one full year of D1AA and only a few additional scholships is suddenly on a new and different level. If that was the case then why was the basketball team as bad as they have been in 20 years or more losing to teams that are losses that are considered downright embarassing. You may be at a different level in classification but as far as talent goes are not at much higher of a level as far as how good your team is. They may play consistantly better teams but the team is still only slightly better than they were in 2003. There have been no major coaching changes or influx in talent between the two seasons.

If you are calling the Jacks suddenly at a new level so quickly competitively by raising division levels than what you are actually saying is that the higher division is really not all that higher.

Don't assume in 10 years that the Coyotes won't be able to compete with the Jacks on the football field. It still comes down to many things other than just more scholarships. You still have to have a competant administration to run things and definately have a competant coaching staff and recruiters.

Whoever said that the Jacks would just beat up the Coyotes at a clip of something like 45-10 are really not all that aware of how much better the Coyotes have gotten since their coaching change. Most of the bad years of Coyote football as of late can be attributed directly to the coaching staff that might have been in place. Last year USD went outside the program to hire a coach and didn't use the buddy system to hire within which is what kept their program down in the first place. Which team is better is certainly debatable but the Coyotes team from 2003 to 2004 improved more in that timeframe than the Jacks did.

Dont forget that simply by reclassifying isn't going to all the sudden make your team heads and shoulders above where they were before.

Mavericks#1
08-14-2005, 02:09 AM
Lets face it SDSU has been a mediocre NCC team for many years. Most of the time SDSU has finished around 6-3, 5-4 or 4-5 in the conference. It's actually amazing how average the Jacks have been over the last couple of decades at least. Not bad, not good just average.


The message I get by reading the biased posts on here is that SDSU after one full year of D1AA and only a few additional scholships is suddenly on a new and different level. If that was the case then why was the basketball team as bad as they have been in 20 years or more losing to teams that are losses that are considered downright embarassing.

If you are calling the Jacks suddenly at a new level so quickly competitively by raising division levels than what you are actually saying is that the higher division is really not all that higher.

You still have to have a competant administration to run things and definately have a competant coaching staff and recruiters.


Dont forget that simply by reclassifying isn't going to all the sudden make your team heads and shoulders above where they were before.



Coyote Fan,

Good luck trying to convince these 10 SDSU fans living on Fantasy Island of that. The Spin Doctors on this site will make excuses for those embarrassing basetball loses and their very average performance in football over the years. Until I see otherwise they will be a D2 school that has been dressed up and had some lipstick put on trying to convince everyone else they are much prettier than they used to be. Last time I checked they still don't have a date (conference) to the prom.


Mavs#1

SDSUFAN
08-14-2005, 05:02 AM
So suddenly the Jacks are stocked with D1 talent huh, for one thing if the Jacks and teams like NDSU and UNC are able to come in and compete so quickly with the teams in D1AA what does that really say about D1AA as a whole. It should take those D2 teams moving up at least 5 years to be competitive if the step up was really that great.

Do most of you honestly think your team from 2004 was all that much better than the team you had in 2003 when still D2. It wasn't and to say they were that much better is simply not very accurate. Lets face it SDSU has been a mediocre NCC team for many years. Most of the time SDSU has finished around 6-3, 5-4 or 4-5 in the conference. It's actually amazing how average the Jacks have been over the last couple of decades at least. Not bad, not good just average. I am not saying USD has been great because not only haven't they been great they have been pretty darn lousy since the 80's.

How many new scholarships has SDSU actually increased by? I am not sure but I know it's not very many. Over the last several years when the NCC was still 10 teams many of their teams could play with not only D1AA teams but some of the better ones.

The message I get by reading the biased posts on here is that SDSU after one full year of D1AA and only a few additional scholships is suddenly on a new and different level. If that was the case then why was the basketball team as bad as they have been in 20 years or more losing to teams that are losses that are considered downright embarassing. You may be at a different level in classification but as far as talent goes are not at much higher of a level as far as how good your team is. They may play consistantly better teams but the team is still only slightly better than they were in 2003. There have been no major coaching changes or influx in talent between the two seasons.

If you are calling the Jacks suddenly at a new level so quickly competitively by raising division levels than what you are actually saying is that the higher division is really not all that higher.

Don't assume in 10 years that the Coyotes won't be able to compete with the Jacks on the football field. It still comes down to many things other than just more scholarships. You still have to have a competant administration to run things and definately have a competant coaching staff and recruiters.

Whoever said that the Jacks would just beat up the Coyotes at a clip of something like 45-10 are really not all that aware of how much better the Coyotes have gotten since their coaching change. Most of the bad years of Coyote football as of late can be attributed directly to the coaching staff that might have been in place. Last year USD went outside the program to hire a coach and didn't use the buddy system to hire within which is what kept their program down in the first place. Which team is better is certainly debatable but the Coyotes team from 2003 to 2004 improved more in that timeframe than the Jacks did.

Dont forget that simply by reclassifying isn't going to all the sudden make your team heads and shoulders above where they were before.

Coyote Fan:
Hiring outside the buddy system? If the outside has turned around, why are they afraid to come to Brookings to take on the Jacks. You and other yotes claim the strength to kick A@@, if so come to Brookings and do it. You would also get a nice pay check something that would not be affordable in Vermillion assuming a home and home agreement. Why does SDSU have to constantly help out USD financially? This one reason we went D1.

I tired of the red non-sense and jealousy and crap that USD fans express etc.

Oh by the way Mav 1 there are more than 10 spin doctors on this board. More like 13,000 when you consider the HOBO DAYS Crowd last fall. BTW what was the Dakota day crowd? We are also done playing the UNO Steers, they have no Balls.

Yes and with 6 extra scholarships we can put some distance between SDSU and USD. The total this year is 42 and USD struggles to fill 36. Split six extra amongst 24 guys assuming one scholarship to four players and you start to develope depth, that no Knute Rockne motivation can over come. Next year SDSU will have 52 and in 2007 58 and so on so yes lets see 63 less 36 equals 27.

jack100
08-14-2005, 06:57 AM
So suddenly the Jacks are stocked with D1 talent huh, for one thing if the Jacks and teams like NDSU and UNC are able to come in and compete so quickly with the teams in D1AA what does that really say about D1AA as a whole. It should take those D2 teams moving up at least 5 years to be competitive if the step up was really that great.

Do most of you honestly think your team from 2004 was all that much better than the team you had in 2003 when still D2. It wasn't and to say they were that much better is simply not very accurate. Lets face it SDSU has been a mediocre NCC team for many years. Most of the time SDSU has finished around 6-3, 5-4 or 4-5 in the conference. It's actually amazing how average the Jacks have been over the last couple of decades at least. Not bad, not good just average. I am not saying USD has been great because not only haven't they been great they have been pretty darn lousy since the 80's.

How many new scholarships has SDSU actually increased by? I am not sure but I know it's not very many. Over the last several years when the NCC was still 10 teams many of their teams could play with not only D1AA teams but some of the better ones.

The message I get by reading the biased posts on here is that SDSU after one full year of D1AA and only a few additional scholships is suddenly on a new and different level. If that was the case then why was the basketball team as bad as they have been in 20 years or more losing to teams that are losses that are considered downright embarassing. You may be at a different level in classification but as far as talent goes are not at much higher of a level as far as how good your team is. They may play consistantly better teams but the team is still only slightly better than they were in 2003. There have been no major coaching changes or influx in talent between the two seasons.

If you are calling the Jacks suddenly at a new level so quickly competitively by raising division levels than what you are actually saying is that the higher division is really not all that higher.

Don't assume in 10 years that the Coyotes won't be able to compete with the Jacks on the football field. It still comes down to many things other than just more scholarships. You still have to have a competant administration to run things and definately have a competant coaching staff and recruiters.

Whoever said that the Jacks would just beat up the Coyotes at a clip of something like 45-10 are really not all that aware of how much better the Coyotes have gotten since their coaching change. Most of the bad years of Coyote football as of late can be attributed directly to the coaching staff that might have been in place. Last year USD went outside the program to hire a coach and didn't use the buddy system to hire within which is what kept their program down in the first place. Which team is better is certainly debatable but the Coyotes team from 2003 to 2004 improved more in that timeframe than the Jacks did.

Dont forget that simply by reclassifying isn't going to all the sudden make your team heads and shoulders above where they were before.


The Jacks have dominated this football series for the past 15 years. You call the Jacks average - well then the Coyotes were at the bottom of the barrel. What makes you think the Coyotes are so much much better. I would not call last years' 9-2 season a good barometer - that had to be the weakest schedule in all of D2 football. Name a 9-2 team before the Yotes that did not make the playoffs.

In the last decade the Jacks football team was head and shoulders above the Yotes - now the Jacks have a scholarship advantage. You now say you have a new coach. Maybe he can finally turn the program around but USD has gone through several coaches where there were saying the same thing. One 9-2 season doesn't make a turnaround. What would have been USD's record in the old NCC last year - 6-5? Would you still be touting USD's turnaround with a 6-5 record? Historically the Jacks are a 6-5/7-4 team - you call the Jack's record average. USD now has one 6-5 team - well maybe one more 6-5 year and USD might make the average category.

Texas_Jacks_Fan
08-14-2005, 07:12 AM
I find it humorous that Coyote Fan is praising the yotes after playing that embarassing schedule last year. if usd steps up and plays an "average" D2 schedule and they compete. then I'll give them some "D2" props but not until.
You say there isnt much diffrence between SDSU and usd this year. There seemed to be a huge difference over the last 20 years when we were at the same scholarship level. The gap in all sports will continue to widen with each passing year. You better move on and and continue building that Augie rivalry.

Rabbitlivinginverm
08-14-2005, 07:28 AM
You still have to have a competant administration to run things and definately have a competant coaching staff and recruiters.



You lost all crediblility with that statement right there. Competant administration at USD? Now that's funny.

89rabbit
08-14-2005, 07:49 AM
Guys, your post is a little confusing because you start by talking about football switch to Men's Basketball and finish with football again. So let me see if I can break this down for you.

Football - all you need to know about what "level" SDSU is at as a I-AA school compared to your D-II schools can be seen from last season. On Sept. 11 Winona State came to Brookings. Winona State was a Top 20 team in D-II all season. They made the playoff, something that neither UNO or USD did. They only lost 2 games all season. One was in the playoff to Grand Valley State, who were the defending National Champions of D-II. Final score of the playoff game: GVSU 16 - WSU 13. Winona's only other loss was to SDSU. Final score: SDSU 45 - WSU 20.

Now let's turn to basketball, first Men's - Last season was disappointing but not unexpected. SDSU lost 7 players off of a '03-'04 team that had been ranked #1 in D-II for part of that season and was still playing in the D-II playoffs while UNO and USD were riding the bus back to Omaha and Vermillion. 5 to graduation, 1 to illness and 1 to transfer. So of a NCAA roster of 15 guys 7 were gone at the begining of the season. That is what is called a rebuilding year. Even during the rebuilding process the Jacks did manage a few D-I wins including Tennessee State. Did UNO or USD pick up any D-I wins last year? If it makes you feel good to roll around in SDSU's first losing season in 10 year, enjoy it because it won't last long.

The Women's Program which was not rebuilding and was the top of the NCC when we left faired pretty well with it's first season in D-I. The Jackrabbits had big wins over Kentucky, Alabama, Oklahoma State, NCAA Qualifier Middle Tennessee State, just to name a few.

By the way none of these D-I Basketball games except NDSU were played at Frost Arena, part of the dues that are payed when you move up a division.

So bottom line is if you really believe that there is no difference between D-I and D-II lobby your administrations to join us. There is no moratorium on moving up, yet. If what you say is true then your administrations would be foolish not to move up. So which is it? Is there no difference between D-I and D-II and your leaders are foolish, or is there a difference and your leaders are wise because they know where your institutions belong.

My advice to you guys is to be happy with what you have. Enjoy your D-II programs and let your jealousy go or start working to positively help your schools move up to the next level (give of yourselves both in terms or time and money).

Gripping about SDSU on this board will do nothing to help your schools be successful at whatever level they choose to compete at. By a positvie force on your schools rather then waste your time trying to be a negative force on ours. In the end you will be happier.

Best of luck to both UNO and USD in your upcoming seasons.

Go State! ;D

jackmd
08-14-2005, 09:17 AM
You lost all crediblility with that statement right there. Competant administration at USD? Now that's funny.


Agree with RLV and let me expound.

There are several contradictions and just plain lucricous statements in the yote_fans post.

For starters, we are a DI team now, all of out "talent" is DI level.

Scholarship numbers, don't go there, you'll lose that argument every time.

You are correct, USD FB sucks, 9-2 against the teams played last year means nothing unless you back it up this year.

The losses last year in basketball were stunning and embarassing. Hard knocks as they say. No worse than losing in the finals of the DII regional in front of 75 fans in Denver, however.

I could go on and on. Fact, the hypocrite here is you yote_fan. Go join Mav and BJ on the jealousy train.

Coyote_Fan
08-14-2005, 09:49 PM
[quote author=89rabbit link=board=Smack;num=1123764763;start=15#21 date=08/14/05 at 08:49:48]Now let's turn to basketball, first Men's - Last season was disappointing but not unexpected. SDSU lost 7 players off of a '03-'04 team that had been ranked #1 in D-II for part of that season and was still playing in the D-II playoffs while UNO and USD were riding the bus back to Omaha and Vermillion.

The only reason USD and UNO were gone was because SDSU just happened to play their semi-final game last. Lets look at what matters the most. SDSU went a combined 1-4 against both teams if I remember correctly. USD was definately the better team at the end of the season between SDSU and USD and proved it with 2 wins in the same week. It was actually quite fun to watch the Coyotes just take it to the Jacks and send them out of D2 with a couple losses in a row to their biggest rivals. Just look at how SDSU has faired against Metro. They got smoked by about 50 in Denver and the Coyotes only lost by less than 10 and that was after Metro was something like 14-17 from three point land and finished at about 60% for the game. The Coyotes hung with them the whole game. Obviously last year USD would have handled the Jacks and probably rather easily.

In football I have never been in favor of any of the coaching moves for quite some time but finally do endorse their current head coach. I watched the Coyotes nearly win in Omaha and demolish a St. Cloud St team that was very good last year. The only two losses they had were at UNO and at UND which is two places the Jacks would have gotten beaten at as well.

89rabbit
08-15-2005, 05:34 AM
So bottom line is if you really believe that there is no difference between D-I and D-II lobby your administrations to join us. There is no moratorium on moving up, yet. If what you say is true then your administrations would be foolish not to move up. So which is it? Is there no difference between D-I and D-II and your leaders are foolish, or is there a difference and your leaders are wise because they know where your institutions belong.

My advice to you guys is to be happy with what you have. Enjoy your D-II programs and let your jealousy go or start working to positively help your schools move up to the next level (give of yourselves both in terms or time and money).

Gripping about SDSU on this board will do nothing to help your schools be successful at whatever level they choose to compete at. By a positvie force on your schools rather then waste your time trying to be a negative force on ours. In the end you will be happier.

Best of luck to both UNO and USD in your upcoming seasons.

Go State! ;D


I know you miss the rivalry with SDSU. I am sure the realization that you are no longer an athletic peer of SDSU is hard to take. I am sure it is hard knowing that given USD's current athletic financial state of affairs your chances of moving up to D-I seem bleak. However, living in the past and or fantasizing about games that were never/won't be played will not help USD at all. So I say accept the present and work to change the future, if you are so inclinded. Best of luck to you and your Coyotes, I do believe your new AD will get things turned around and you will once again be a very good D-II school.

http://www.volanteonline.com/media/paper468/news/2005/03/23/Sports/Deficit.Focus.Of.Proposal-901208.shtml


Go State! ;D

sports_buff
08-15-2005, 09:48 AM
Football - all you need to know about what "level" SDSU is at as a I-AA school compared to your D-II schools can be seen from last season. On Sept. 11 Winona State came to Brookings. Winona State was a Top 20 team in D-II all season. They made the playoff, something that neither UNO or USD did. They only lost 2 games all season. One was in the playoff to Grand Valley State, who were the defending National Champions of D-II. Final score of the playoff game: GVSU 16 - WSU 13. Winona's only other loss was to SDSU. Final score: SDSU 45 - WSU 20.

Now let's turn to basketball, first Men's - Last season was disappointing but not unexpected. SDSU lost 7 players off of a '03-'04 team that had been ranked #1 in D-II for part of that season and was still playing in the D-II playoffs while UNO and USD were riding the bus back to Omaha and Vermillion. 5 to graduation, 1 to illness and 1 to transfer. So of a NCAA roster of 15 guys 7 were gone at the begining of the season. That is what is called a rebuilding year. Even during the rebuilding process the Jacks did manage a few D-I wins including Tennessee State. Did UNO or USD pick up any D-I wins last year? If it makes you feel good to roll around in SDSU's first losing season in 10 year, enjoy it because it won't last long.


So bottom line is if you really believe that there is no difference between D-I and D-II lobby your administrations to join us. There is no moratorium on moving up, yet. If what you say is true then your administrations would be foolish not to move up. So which is it? Is there no difference between D-I and D-II and your leaders are foolish, or is there a difference and your leaders are wise because they know where your institutions belong.



Go State! ;D

The difference between I-AA and DII in football is not very big. The top teams in I-AA are better than the top teams in DII but for the most part the two divisions are equal. That is why UNC had success right away, why NDSU had success right away, and why SDSU had the same record as always. That is also probably why I-AA gets only a little more attention than DII. Sure if you look hard enough on ESPN's website you will eventually come across a short little preview of SDSU's upcoming season, but the excitement of that kind of stuff will wear off pretty quickly.

As far as basketball the bottom of DI is worse than the top of DII. SDSU proved that last year when they took their lumps from Southwest St, Wayne St, NE, Wayne St., MI, and Morningside. (These teams were in no way the top of DII but you get my point, and how State fans can spout off about being one of the big boys after last season is beyond me). SDSU was the bottom of DI and there is no way they could have competed with the top of DII. SDSU was not even the worst team in DI, there were a lot of teams they could have beaten last year. However, there is a big difference between the top of DI and DII as a division. I think USD officials could recognize that USD wouldn't be able to compete with the top of DI and saw no point or advantage in being a bottom tier DI team. Hopefully they will continue to recognize that in the future.

On a side note I can't believe 89 would even make reference to SDSU's game against Metro. If I was you I would not want to bring up losing your last DII game by 50 points. If that wasn't going to tell you what division you belonged in then there is nothing I can say that will. The sad thing is, that might have been the best basketball team you are going to have for a while.

jackrabbit1979
08-15-2005, 10:01 AM
The difference between I-AA and DII in football is not very big. The top teams in I-AA are better than the top teams in DII but for the most part the two divisions are equal. That is why UNC had success right away, why NDSU had success right away, and why SDSU had the same record as always. That is also probably why I-AA gets only a little more attention than DII. Sure if you look hard enough on ESPN's website you will eventually come across a short little preview of SDSU's upcoming season, but the excitement of that kind of stuff will wear off pretty quickly.

As far as basketball the bottom of DI is worse than the top of DII. SDSU proved that last year when they took their lumps from Southwest St, Wayne St, NE, Wayne St., MI, and Morningside. (These teams were in no way the top of DII but you get my point, and how State fans can spout off about being one of the big boys after last season is beyond me). SDSU was the bottom of DI and there is no way they could have competed with the top of DII. SDSU was not even the worst team in DI, there were a lot of teams they could have beaten last year. However, there is a big difference between the top of DI and DII as a division. I think USD officials could recognize that USD wouldn't be able to compete with the top of DI and saw no point or advantage in being a bottom tier DI team. Hopefully they will continue to recognize that in the future.

On a side note I can't believe 89 would even make reference to SDSU's game against Metro. If I was you I would not want to bring up losing your last DII game by 50 points. If that wasn't going to tell you what division you belonged in then there is nothing I can say that will. The sad thing is, that might have been the best basketball team you are going to have for a while.


Sportsbuff you didn't even look at the facts. Winona was a top tier d2 team last year, one of the best actually, and our average d1aa team who is no better than the top level d2 teams if not worse spanked them by 25.

I will admit the difference is not as big as some may think, but it is much larger than what you lead on.

You and your fellow coyote fans can spout off all day long about how there isn't much difference between the two divisions, how you are "South Dakota's Team" (whatever the hell that means), and how USD would still beat State part of the time. Parts of all of that may be true. The fact of the matter is, USD is too afraid to prove it. Come play us. If i remember correctly it was USD who said they wouldn't play in Brookings or Sioux Falls. You honestly can't expect us to come to Vermillion during the first couple years of the transition. But if there isn't much difference between the divisions then game on. Come to Brookings you have nothing to lose, you either:

1) WIN, and be able to tell your kids, grandkids, and kids grandkids about the time the little University went to the big bad D1 school and whooped up on them when they thought they were all high and mighty. Plus it would greatly increase your leverage in the state with recruits, fans, etc. and might even go a little further to establish some (a sliver of) reasoning behind your "SD's TEAM" marketing campaign

or

2) LOSE, and have the excuse that you weren't supposed to win anyway, State is in a higher division that you. Even if you keep the game close it would help you for recruiting, publicity, etc. PLUS, you will most likely get a big fat paycheck for playing us that would come in very handy for the rinky dink operation of an Athletic Dept you have down south. If nothing else it would help the South Dakota taxpayers from having to bail USD out from another financial mishap. PLUS, it would give your fans and alumni something to be excited about. Maybe it would be enough motivation to realize they should start to attend other games in Vermillion now that they can't all come out and cheer "HATE STATE" three times a year and feel good about themselves for a couple of days for being a supporter of their university.

In my opinion, the ball is in USD's court. I can't believe we would say we don't want to play you in basketball or football during the next couple of years because the gate would be huge and it would please some of our fanbase as well. So if you want to keep talking the talk, i would venture to say you should speak with your AD and see if USD is ready to walk the walk. Let's prove who is South Dakota's team on the fields and court; although there shouldn't be much debate looking at the support and performance of the two universities over the last 10 - 20 years..

Mavericks#1
08-15-2005, 10:10 AM
As far as basketball the bottom of DI is worse than the top of DII. SDSU proved that last year when they took their lumps from Southwest St, Wayne St, NE, Wayne St., MI, and Morningside. (These teams were in no way the top of DII but you get my point, and how State fans can spout off about being one of the big boys after last season is beyond me). SDSU was the bottom of DI and there is no way they could have competed with the top of DII. SDSU was not even the worst team in DI, there were a lot of teams they could have beaten last year. However, there is a big difference between the top of DI and DII as a division. I think USD officials could recognize that USD wouldn't be able to compete with the top of DI and saw no point or advantage in being a bottom tier DI team. Hopefully they will continue to recognize that in the future.

On a side note I can't believe 89 would even make reference to SDSU's game against Metro. If I was you I would not want to bring up losing your last DII game by 50 points. If that wasn't going to tell you what division you belonged in then there is nothing I can say that will. The sad thing is, that might have been the best basketball team you are going to have for a while.



Sports Buff,

You make some great points that the spin doctors will be all day coming up with answers for. I am sure the rabbitt fans hated that you picked off that old scab of the 50 point blowout to Metro. I am sure some of the rose colored glasses fogged up after that one. I'm afraid that our posts might not be read because of all the other D1 fans that are flocking to this site ::) ::). Keep up the good work of bringing these delusioned fans off the space shuttle and back down to earth.


Mavs#1

P.S. I am still looking back to find out when SDSU last won a championship in football. My research has put me back to the seventies and I still can find one. Surely it can't be over 40 years since they won a championship.. Can it? ? ?

89rabbit
08-15-2005, 10:11 AM
buff,

Whatever you need to tell yourself to sooth your wounded ego. ::) Again come join us in D-I or stay in D-II. It really doesn't matter to us. Please understand that if you stay in D-II you will be viewed as athletically inferior, by the overwhelming majority of sports fans, and there is nothing that you can do to change that. So again, I say accept the present and work to change the future, if you are so inclinded. Your posts on our board add no value to your University.

Go State! ;D

89rabbit
08-15-2005, 10:17 AM
Mav D-II,

While you are doing your historical research, maybe you can tell me the last time that either UNO or USD went to an Elite 8 in either Men's or Women's basketball. Let me give you a head start. I know USD's Men did it in 1958. ;)

Go State! ;D


P.S. You don't really need to look that info up because I really don't care. It is what is called a rhetorical question. ;)

JACKGUYII
08-15-2005, 10:20 AM
The Jacks got IMHO the two best athletes in the state of South Dakota last year in Jordan Paula and Mike Steffen. Over time getting that kind of talent in the region will widen the gap even further. The bottom line is USD will never have the balls to play SDSU again. It's funny how USD fan's keep referring to our bad basketball team last year. I think it was expected whether we were playing in DII or DI that we were going to take a beating after losing our two best players in Matt Jones and Andy Moeller. You better worry about your own basketball team that looks to have no depth and be small for even the NCC.

sports_buff
08-15-2005, 11:19 AM
Mav D-II,

While you are doing your historical research, maybe you can tell me the last time that either UNO or USD went to an Elite 8 in either Men's or Women's basketball. Let me give you a head start. I know USD's Men did it in 1958. ;)

Go State! ;D


;)

Actually USD's men went to the Elite 8 twice in the 1990s. Thats not having to go back too far, is it?

jackrabbit1979
08-15-2005, 12:05 PM
Sportsbuff you didn't even look at the facts. Winona was a top tier d2 team last year, one of the best actually, and our average d1aa team who is no better than the top level d2 teams if not worse spanked them by 25.

I will admit the difference is not as big as some may think, but it is much larger than what you lead on.

You and your fellow coyote fans can spout off all day long about how there isn't much difference between the two divisions, how you are "South Dakota's Team" (whatever the hell that means), and how USD would still beat State part of the time. Parts of all of that may be true. The fact of the matter is, USD is too afraid to prove it. Come play us. If i remember correctly it was USD who said they wouldn't play in Brookings or Sioux Falls. You honestly can't expect us to come to Vermillion during the first couple years of the transition. But if there isn't much difference between the divisions then game on. Come to Brookings you have nothing to lose, you either:

1) WIN, and be able to tell your kids, grandkids, and kids grandkids about the time the little University went to the big bad D1 school and whooped up on them when they thought they were all high and mighty. Plus it would greatly increase your leverage in the state with recruits, fans, etc. and might even go a little further to establish some (a sliver of) reasoning behind your "SD's TEAM" marketing campaign

or

2) LOSE, and have the excuse that you weren't supposed to win anyway, State is in a higher division that you. Even if you keep the game close it would help you for recruiting, publicity, etc. PLUS, you will most likely get a big fat paycheck for playing us that would come in very handy for the rinky dink operation of an Athletic Dept you have down south. If nothing else it would help the South Dakota taxpayers from having to bail USD out from another financial mishap. PLUS, it would give your fans and alumni something to be excited about. Maybe it would be enough motivation to realize they should start to attend other games in Vermillion now that they can't all come out and cheer "HATE STATE" three times a year and feel good about themselves for a couple of days for being a supporter of their university.

In my opinion, the ball is in USD's court. I can't believe we would say we don't want to play you in basketball or football during the next couple of years because the gate would be huge and it would please some of our fanbase as well. So if you want to keep talking the talk, i would venture to say you should speak with your AD and see if USD is ready to walk the walk. Let's prove who is South Dakota's team on the fields and court; although there shouldn't be much debate looking at the support and performance of the two universities over the last 10 - 20 years..




Wouldn't it be nice to be a visiting guest of the board who can pop in and take shots and sling mud at SDSU when they feel but not have to respond to any posts they don't feel like responding to.

Of course i would feel pretty small then. ;)

89rabbit
08-15-2005, 01:34 PM
Actually USD's men went to the Elite 8 twice in the 1990s. Thats not having to go back too far, is it?


I guess I will have to take your word for it as I was unable to find any records that the NCAA keeps at the D-II level for Elite 8s. Maybe you went and I blocked it out of my memory. ;)

Buff and Mav, since you have such a keen interest in NCAA D-II history, let me give you a quick lesson. NCAA D-II National Championships. UNO and USD combined don't have as many NCAA D-II Championships as SDSU.

http://www.ncaa.org/champadmin/champs_listing2.html

NCAA D-II National Championships

SDSU - 8
UNO - 5
USD - 2

Now that we have moved up a division, I am sure given some time, you may catch up.

Go State! ;D

Mavericks#1
08-15-2005, 02:24 PM
In my research I have made my way through the mid 60's now and still no football championship? ? Only one 9 win season and only one 8 win season so far. The way you guys talk, I assumed you had a rich history in football. Looks very average to me.

89 of those 8 national championships that you have won... none of those are Cross Country are they? You really don't think that is a real sport do you? If have seen ESPN show every sport under the sun. But I don't recall ever seeing cross country on there. Hey, but you do have the coveted ::) ::) Dakota Marker that every wishes they could have ::) ::) At least you have one football trophy in that old barren football trophy case.


Mavs#1

MilwaukeeJacksAlum
08-15-2005, 02:31 PM
You know, it's funny. I used to respect UNO's football and athletic teams. They were absolute toilet water when I first became a Jackrabbit. Morningside used to look forward to playing them. Then, they start picking themselves up and vie for the league title on a yearly basis. That's pretty impressive. However, thanks to two idiots who constantly feel the need to belittle a program that is no longer a) in their state b) in their division or c) in their conference or d) relevant to their athletic endeavors, I will now openly root for their failure. I'm sure your AD and school president would be proud.

I can't say anything about USD because I've always openly rooted for their failure. It's pretty much engrained in you if you go to either SDSU, USD or Augie. That's why I can't really get too upset with Sports Buff. He can't help but be anti-SDSU any more than I can't help but be anti-USD. The two idiots from UNO are just that, idiots. And, obviously they don't have a hobby, or a family, or a job...

89rabbit
08-15-2005, 02:38 PM
Mavs D-II,

Only want to count Revenue Sports (Football and Basketball) that is fine then in breaks down:

NCAA D-II Championships in Football or Basketball

SDSU - 2
USD - 1
UNO - 0


Go State! ;D


P.S. SDSU has 14 NCC Football Championships, how many does UNO have?

jackmd
08-15-2005, 03:09 PM
Nice analysis by MJA. As for buffs point about elite 8 appearances, no one except a few of the most dedicated fans and alumni of a DII school even knows who won a DII championship in any sport. DII matters only to those who are DII and barely matters then. Thats just the facts.

SD deserves a DI team and SDSU has made that a reality. Trying to assign failure already on the basis of previous performance at the DII level is stupid, but obviously not below the moronic. You should know better buff. The DI argument has 2 sides, that is clear, but neither involves 2 idiots from UNO or an ardent supporter of the yotes. Comment all you like but whats done is done.

An institution with greater aspirations than either UNO or USD has left the ever decaying DII ranks for the potential offered at the DI level. Its a big risk with the potential for a big reward. I like that, I live that, and I suspect you wish you did to. Not everyone can run with the big dogs boys. Good luck in the kiddie pool.

mmiller_34
08-17-2005, 04:28 PM
Mavs#1 :

- are you trying to tell me that since SDSU's football program in D-II was just "average" and the last time they won a national championship was a while ago. does this mean they shouldnt have gone D-I? becuase if thats what your saying... im going to bring up this and all your "National Championship Talk" what do you think about San Diego State... im pretty sure they could whoop SDSU, USD, and UNO, i think we can all agree on that.. well i looked up their D-II national championships from when they were D-II and this is what i found.

San Diego State *

Total NCAA Team Championships: 7
men's championships: 7
women's championships: 0

Breakdown by Sport:
men's cross country: 3
men's swimming & diving: 2
men's outdoor track & field: 2

oh wait... i guess since San Diego State hasnt EVER won a national championship in football. this probally means that USD&UNO is better and they could beat them since they have won football championships before. YEAH RIGHT.

USDSU
08-17-2005, 06:58 PM
I think they have a few more people and $$$$ in CA to support D1 athletics. Does San Diego State rely on its city facilites???? I doubt it.

mmiller_34
08-17-2005, 07:14 PM
im not saying San Diego State couldnt support it.. im saying Sand Diego State never won a national championship in football. Mavs is just making it seem that going D-I is ALL about how good your athletic programs are.

(and about San Diego State using city facilities, yes they do... QualCom Stadium is a city built facility... the Chargers, Aztecs,and the Padres used to use it before they built Petco. )

BisonMav
08-18-2005, 06:52 PM
I wish the NCC would have moved to DI as a conference. That would have made the change in divisions more cost effective for all teams. The Minnesota teams may have jumped to the NSIC. I am not a huge hockey fan, and would rather see UNO move all sports to DI, than just have DI hockey. I know Omaha has a rich hockey tradition with the Knights and Lancers, but college hockey just doesn't cut it for me. Bring in UNI, SIU, Montana for a great football game instead.

jackmd
08-18-2005, 07:16 PM
I wish the NCC would have moved to DI as a conference. That would have made the change in divisions more cost effective for all teams. The Minnesota teams may have jumped to the NSIC. I am not a huge hockey fan, and would rather see UNO move all sports to DI, than just have DI hockey. I know Omaha has a rich hockey tradition with the Knights and Lancers, but college hockey just doesn't cut it for me. Bring in UNI, SIU, Montana for a great football game instead.

My understanding (all second hand) is that the NCAA was/is not interested in any "new" conferences entering DI. Therefore, the NCC moving up, part or as a whole, was never an option.

BisonMav
08-18-2005, 07:27 PM
My understanding (all second hand) is that the NCAA was/is not interested in any "new" conferences entering DI. Therefore, the NCC moving up, part or as a whole, was never an option.


Then what about the current conference SDSU is in for football?

GoJacks
08-19-2005, 10:54 PM
Then what about the current conference SDSU is in for football?

This conference was created to ensure football scheduling for those teams. Making it a conference allows for championships and awards for the players. I cannot imagine the NCAA would not support it.

BisonMav
08-20-2005, 07:00 AM
This conference was created to ensure football scheduling for those teams. Making it a conference allows for championships and awards for the players. I cannot imagine the NCAA would not support it.

That is my point. I could not imagine the NCAA not supporting a DI NCC.

Texas_Jacks_Fan
08-20-2005, 08:00 AM
Jack MD,
I think the reluctance to form a new D1 conference came from the likes of the Minnesota schools, UNO, UND, USD, & Augie. rather than the NCAA.

Rabbitlivinginverm
08-20-2005, 08:03 AM
I thought USD, UND and UNO (along with SDSU and NDSU) voted for taking the NCC to D1?

Texas_Jacks_Fan
08-20-2005, 08:06 AM
Thats news to me. I know the strongest opposition was from Minnesota St. and St. Cloud St.

Rabbitlivinginverm
08-20-2005, 08:10 AM
Thats news to me. I know the strongest opposition was from Minnesota St. and St. Cloud St.


It was a few years ago when all this was first proposed. Yes, the Minnesota schools provided the strongest opposition to it. I'll do some checking around when I have time and see if I can find some documented info (I'm sure someone here will beat me to it :)) But for now, I have a tee time I need to get to ;D

SiouxFallsJack
08-20-2005, 09:03 AM
I believe I read an earlier thread here or maybe on the Bison board that the NCAA wouldn't allow a new conference to form mainly because of the revenue sharing of the mens basketball tournament.

SUPERBUNNY
08-20-2005, 11:37 AM
As time goes on, the gap will widen further and further. It'll be like when a Nebraska or an Oklahoma plays a lower division school. D-II is going to continue to get watered down which will continue to widen the gap.

I have said it before and will say it again:

I'd rather be a rabbit, a rabbit, a rabbit. I'd rather be a rabbit than a #*%ing Coyote!

SUPERBUNNY is back in the hizzle!

Rabbit_FB_Alum
08-20-2005, 06:52 PM
I'd rather be a rabbit, a rabbit, a rabbit. I'd rather be a rabbit than a #*%ing Coyote!




Ahahahaha! I think we should use that as our slogan instead of that "Go big, go blue...." thing.

JBNJBQ
08-20-2005, 06:58 PM
http://www.umsl.edu/~ccj/images/wile%20e%20coyote.jpg

"You mean usdII is NOT South Dakota's Team?"

jackmd
08-21-2005, 02:32 PM
Then what about the current conference SDSU is in for football?

As I said my info is second hand. As for the GWFC, its a DIAA conference and has not effect on DI football or the BCS. I was referring only to DI conferences. I don't think moving the NCC up was an option.

1stRowFANatic
08-21-2005, 07:00 PM
As my poor memory recalls, I think the NCAA has indicated that any new conference would not be gauranteed an automatic bid to the men's bb tourney. I don't think they can ban new conferences, but if you don't get the auto bid in the big money, it makes them much less attractive than getting into an existing conference.

89rabbit
08-21-2005, 07:04 PM
As my poor memory recalls, I think the NCAA has indicated that any new conference would not be gauranteed an automatic bid to the men's bb tourney. I don't think they can ban new conferences, but if you don't get the auto bid in the big money, it makes them much less attractive than getting into an existing conference.

That is also the way I remember it.

Go State! ;D

SDSUFAN
08-22-2005, 04:52 AM
I thought USD, UND and UNO (along with SDSU and NDSU) voted for taking the NCC to D1?

I dont have the archives to support my comments, but as I recall, the Annual NCC conference meeting in 2000 or 2001 was when the matter of moving up to D1 as a conference was brought up by President Chapman(NDSU) and seconded by Peggy Miller of SDSU. The vote as I recall was 6-2. UND and USD did not support this move. Augie and USD voted with the hockey schools to make it 6-2. This is what I recall. Texas is right opposition did come from the Minnesota schools, but USD and Augie both sided with UND and the Minnesota schools to kill the idea of moving up to D1AA in mass. If some one had access to the NCC minutes, I believe you could find the correct positions that every NCC member took at that time. Contrary to current spinning UND and USD did not support the D1AA Mass move by the NCC.

coyotefanatic
08-22-2005, 10:53 AM
The vote couldn't have been 6-2 since UNC would have still been in the conference and Morningside was on its way out. The Fargo Forum covered the meetings which I believe took place in Austin, MN or another neutral Minnesota location. The schools that supported the move were actually UNC, NDSU, SDSU, and believe it or not USD. The schools that were against were UND, Augie, MSU, SCSU, and UNO. There may be a way to access the archives from the Fargo Forum to confirm this but I am very confident that this is right.

Rabbitlivinginverm
08-22-2005, 02:27 PM
I dont have the archives to support my comments, but as I recall, the Annual NCC conference meeting in 2000 or 2001 was when the matter of moving up to D1 as a conference was brought up by President Chapman(NDSU) and seconded by Peggy Miller of SDSU. The vote as I recall was 6-2. UND and USD did not support this move. Augie and USD voted with the hockey schools to make it 6-2. This is what I recall. Texas is right opposition did come from the Minnesota schools, but USD and Augie both sided with UND and the Minnesota schools to kill the idea of moving up to D1AA in mass. If some one had access to the NCC minutes, I believe you could find the correct positions that every NCC member took at that time. Contrary to current spinning UND and USD did not support the D1AA Mass move by the NCC.

There is a link to the minutes on the NCC website but you need a username and password. At this point, I don't know how to get one.

SDSUFAN
08-23-2005, 04:30 AM
The vote couldn't have been 6-2 since UNC would have still been in the conference and Morningside was on its way out. The Fargo Forum covered the meetings which I believe took place in Austin, MN or another neutral Minnesota location. The schools that supported the move were actually UNC, NDSU, SDSU, and believe it or not USD. The schools that were against were UND, Augie, MSU, SCSU, and UNO. There may be a way to access the archives from the Fargo Forum to confirm this but I am very confident that this is right.

Wrong again. UNC was gone from the NCC and yes Moringside already left. USD fought this all the way and they were pariond from day one about SDSU leaving D2 and NCC. Why would they support SDSU on moving up?
Abbott is not that progressive. He may have been successful in running a Yankton business, but it takes more than that to run a university. Thank God Abbott was never got elected Governor. ;)

BDSUPERJACK
08-23-2005, 10:05 AM
Sooner than later, both schools will have recruited student athletes that aren't familiar with the once hated rivalry. They will not have played at one’s hostile environments but at other’s. They will not hear the stories of their upperclassman's wins or defeats and the hatred toward the other institution that comes along with those wins and losses. They will not experience 100 plus years of tradition.
Yet, they may hear alums talk about the stories of days past or dust off an article from the sports archives and wonder ‘what if’. If it is true, college athletics is for the student-athlete, play the game at a neutral site. The positive impact of the game will far outweigh the negative.
Or, leave ‘once was’ behind and have your student athletes and institutions create something of the future rather than something of the past. Because with this, new hatreds will form – new rivalries - taking place of old ones.
One will continue to move forward. The other will continue to remain in the past.

SDSUFAN
08-23-2005, 11:09 AM
Sooner than later, both schools will have recruited student athletes that aren't familiar with the once hated rivalry. They will not have played at one’s hostile environments but at other’s. They will not hear the stories of their upperclassman's wins or defeats and the hatred toward the other institution that comes along with those wins and losses. They will not experience 100 plus years of tradition.
Yet, they may hear alums talk about the stories of days past or dust off an article from the sports archives and wonder ‘what if’. If it is true, college athletics is for the student-athlete, play the game at a neutral site. The positive impact of the game will far outweigh the negative.
Or, leave ‘once was’ behind and have your student athletes and institutions create something of the future rather than something of the past. Because with this, new hatreds will form – new rivalries - taking place of old ones.
One will continue to move forward. The other will continue to remain in the past.


AMEN, There is no more to be said.

coyotefanatic
08-23-2005, 12:36 PM
Wrong again. UNC was gone from the NCC and yes Moringside already left. USD fought this all the way and they were pariond from day one about SDSU leaving D2 and NCC. Why would they support SDSU on moving up?
Abbott is not that progressive. He may have been successful in running a Yankton business, but it takes more than that to run a university. Thank God Abbott was never got elected Governor. ;)

Wrong again? What was I wrong on the first time? The vote was earlier stated in this thread to have taken place in 2000 or 2001 if that is true then UNC was still in the NCC they didn't move up until 2003. By the way, not everything has to turn into a USD vs. SDSU dispute. Just because SDSU was for something does not automatically mean USD was against it. Call Jeff Kolpack at the Fargo Forum and ask him about the conference and see what the response was...you'll see that SDSU and USD were actually in agreement on this one.

JACKGUYII
08-23-2005, 12:47 PM
I have never heard or read anything that USD was in favor or voted for a DI NCC!

Rabbitlivinginverm
08-23-2005, 03:45 PM
I have never heard or read anything that USD was in favor or voted for a DI NCC!

I can't believe I'm actually agreeing with a coyote fan over my SDSU brethren, but I think he's right. I wish we could access the NCC minutes.

1stRowFANatic
08-23-2005, 08:45 PM
Could it be that there were two different votes on the move? I think that there was, one early when UNC had indicated it was looking at moving and the conference voted on whether they wanted to move all at once. At that time, I think I remember that USD may have been for it (this would have been around 2000). Then NDSU & SDSU did their studies, decided they wanted to make the move and asked the remaining members to vote. USD at that time probably would not have supported the move for 2 reasons: a) very likely it wasn't going to pass anyway; and b) the athletic department was in a mess (remember the lawsuits they had to deal with) and would not have made sense to throw this into the bad situation.

Again, my poor memory has probably failed me, so this may be 100% wrong.

SDSUFAN
08-24-2005, 04:02 AM
Wrong again? What was I wrong on the first time? The vote was earlier stated in this thread to have taken place in 2000 or 2001 if that is true then UNC was still in the NCC they didn't move up until 2003. By the way, not everything has to turn into a USD vs. SDSU dispute. Just because SDSU was for something does not automatically mean USD was against it. Call Jeff Kolpack at the Fargo Forum and ask him about the conference and see what the response was...you'll see that SDSU and USD were actually in agreement on this one.

Why should I call Jeff Kolpeck? Why dont you do the honors since you have such a big point to prove to the biased SDSU fans.

JACKGUYII
08-24-2005, 08:37 AM
I think the Coyotes have bigger things to worry about than what would happen if they play the Jacks. From what I hear Joel Nielson is not getting along very well with the athletic staff at USD.

SDSUFAN
08-24-2005, 08:49 AM
I think the Coyotes have bigger things to worry about than what would happen if they play the Jacks. From what I hear Joel Nielson is not getting along very well with the athletic staff at USD.

I suspect there is pressure to make an appearence that USD is not falling behind SDSU. This may require the impossible from coaches and staff, hence some conflict.

I would suspect Nielson is a results guy, and if the resources are not there to produce results, then I can see some unhappy relationships developing. Interesting bit of news, news you will not hear on the Craig and Mike show.

.

OK_Jackrabbit
08-24-2005, 09:57 AM
I think the Coyotes have bigger things to worry about than what would happen if they play the Jacks. From what I hear Joel Nielson is not getting along very well with the athletic staff at USD.
Staffers are often freaked out by someone who comes in and tries to make changes. That doesn't surprise me. I suspect once some results start to come in, people will get on board. It's always easier and more comfortable to just keep doing the same old things than it is to change.

Mike_H
08-24-2005, 10:21 AM
" Interesting bit of news, news you will not hear on the Craig and Mike show. "

Mostly you will not hear it because it is not true. JACKGUYII posts it and you automatically believe it? Please.

1stRowFANatic
08-24-2005, 10:33 AM
Well Mike, you and I both know that everything posted on the internet or heard over the radio is absolutely true. ;) ;D

JACKGUYII
08-24-2005, 11:19 AM
" Interesting bit of news, news you will not hear on the Craig and Mike show. "

Mostly you will not hear it because it is not true. JACKGUYII posts it and you automatically believe it? Please.


Think what you want but maybe do a little research before you outright discount it. Why is it so hard to believe there is dissent in the Coyote Athletic program? I didn't just pull this out of my xxx like some of the comments made on your program!

Texas_Jacks_Fan
08-24-2005, 11:32 AM
Since SDSU likely will never play usd in anything again. I dont care what happens to their athletic programs or what their fans think.

Rabbitlivinginverm
08-24-2005, 03:29 PM
It seems to me that Joel Neilson has been doing a good job down at the U. I would also imagine that some of the dissent from coaches would come from him making changes and making tough decisions.

SDSUFAN
08-24-2005, 08:18 PM
" Interesting bit of news, news you will not hear on the Craig and Mike show. "

Mostly you will not hear it because it is not true. JACKGUYII posts it and you automatically believe it? Please.


Mike, it sounded good. It was what I wanted to hear so why shouldn't I believe it? Besides I live in Arlington SD now and dont have to pass through Vermillion. Only thing wrong with Arlington is their school colors red and white. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

1stRowFANatic
08-25-2005, 08:00 AM
Besides I live in Arlington SD now and dont have to pass through Vermillion. Only thing wrong with Arlington is their school colors red and white. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Hey, I grew up in Arlington and there is absolutely nothing wrong with red and white as the school colors for a team called the Cardinals at the High School level. Now as for red and white at the college level, that is different.

1stRowFANatic
08-25-2005, 08:24 AM
Think what you want but maybe do a little research before you outright discount it. Why is it so hard to believe there is dissent in the Coyote Athletic program? I didn't just pull this out of my xxx like some of the comments made on your program!

And we are to know this by ...

So far the only thing to go by is your blanket statement. What research have you done? You don't say anything other than you didn't pull it out of your xxx. Do I think there are reasons why tension could exist in the USD athletic department? Yes, absolutely, but just as there are reasons why there could be tension in the SDSU athletic department.

BDSUPERJACK
09-16-2005, 02:14 PM
When was the last time SDSU had athletic staff members leave in the middle of a football season....i've heard bad things about USD internally, and I live in Colorado Springs. Their football team has been a good cover up.




And we are to know this by ...

So far the only thing to go by is your blanket statement. What research have you done? You don't say anything other than you didn't pull it out of your xxx. Do I think there are reasons why tension could exist in the USD athletic department? Yes, absolutely, but just as there are reasons why there could be tension in the SDSU athletic department.