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Mavericks#1
10-19-2005, 05:53 PM
I noticed that NDSU is ranked in the top 25 and SDSU is not even in the receiving votes section. They have only one more win than you and you played Cal Poly closer than they did. I do believe they are better than you and will take back the Marker if it is still around, but there is not that big of a gap between the two teams. Like it or not I think your history of being average and their winning tradition plays a part in it. Reaction???



Mavs #1

OK_Jackrabbit
10-19-2005, 06:28 PM
We played Poly at home, and they had them on the road. Plus, they have beaten some established 1AA teams this year, Weber State, Northwestern, La. and Nicholls State. I don't feel like we're being slighted. And we do get a shot at them, albeit in a very tough place to play.

jackmd
10-20-2005, 07:32 AM
I noticed that NDSU is ranked in the top 25 and SDSU is not even in the receiving votes section. They have only one more win than you and you played Cal Poly closer than they did. I do believe they are better than you and will take back the Marker if it is still around, but there is not that big of a gap between the two teams. Like it or not I think your history of being average and their winning tradition plays a part in it. Reaction???



Mavs #1

I don't think SDSU or NDSU are top 25 teams at the IAA level. NDSU has beaten better teams this year and therefore some voters are showing them respect. Big picture, it doesn't matter.

bigjake
10-20-2005, 05:55 PM
Brother Mav1, It is hard to earn a lot of respect when you take one week off for hunting deer or whatever they shoot at up there and then follow it up with arguably the worst d2 fb team of all time in MO Rolla. You people have played a nice schedule thus far but to stoop to Rolla is insulting to your fans who have to spend their hard earned money up there. Try an ncc or a good miaa team before that garbage. If I lived in Brookings I would still go and maybe even SF but not more than an hour to see that joke of a program. That would be like UNO deciding to drop down a level and go play Tommy Frazier's Doane squad. We just won't stoop that low and you shouldn't either. We at least stay in our own division.
Msg to 89 - this game does not even merit a game thread this saturday. I don't care how many hobos you elect this saturday - it just isn't worth going to a game like that. I suspect the same thinking is going on in Lexington where KY fans are pondering why the heck they are playing san diego st univ. Wait til you arrive and they find out it is even worse in south dakota state.

Dakota
10-20-2005, 08:26 PM
I noticed that NDSU is ranked in the top 25 and SDSU is not even in the receiving votes section. They have only one more win than you and you played Cal Poly closer than they did. I do believe they are better than you and will take back the Marker if it is still around, but there is not that big of a gap between the two teams. Like it or not I think your history of being average and their winning tradition plays a part in it. Reaction??? Mavs #1


I think you maybe part right but has more to do with their winning tradition . We have received votes in polls this season. No big deal, we making our mark and time will level the playing field. Remember they were ranked high early which I thought was weird in year two, but good for them.

wererabbit
10-21-2005, 08:14 AM
PMS much bigjake chill out man . i dont like the fact we are not playing in our level but there must be a reason.Calm down or dont wear so tight of underwear. :)or >:( wichever you prefer.

jackmd
10-21-2005, 08:25 AM
Brother Mav1, It is hard to earn a lot of respect when you take one week off for hunting deer or whatever they shoot at up there and then follow it up with arguably the worst d2 fb team of all time in MO Rolla. You people have played a nice schedule thus far but to stoop to Rolla is insulting to your fans who have to spend their hard earned money up there. Try an ncc or a good miaa team before that garbage. If I lived in Brookings I would still go and maybe even SF but not more than an hour to see that joke of a program. That would be like UNO deciding to drop down a level and go play Tommy Frazier's Doane squad. We just won't stoop that low and you shouldn't either. We at least stay in our own division.
Msg to 89 - this game does not even merit a game thread this saturday. I don't care how many hobos you elect this saturday - it just isn't worth going to a game like that. I suspect the same thinking is going on in Lexington where KY fans are pondering why the heck they are playing san diego st univ. Wait til you arrive and they find out it is even worse in south dakota state.

bj gets ****y when he's been drinking the home brew. Must have started late yesterday. He's usually passed out by 7 pm.

Good luck to Peru St., Panhandle St., Upper Nebraska or whoever plays "The Mavs" this weekend. I think some team from Canada beat them "Mavs" earlier this year.

OK_Jackrabbit
10-21-2005, 08:37 AM
I'm not going to argue that Rolla is some great opponent. We'd all prefer that it was somebody more formidable, I'm sure.

But I don't think anyone who has played Oklahoma Panhandle State this year should be bragging about strength of schedule.

And we'll still have 10,000+ at the game, no matter who is the opponent. How many came to UNO's homecoming game? Was that 4,500?

wererabbit
10-21-2005, 08:39 AM
No disrespect meant towards m rolla. I just think we need to stay in I-AA and play only these teams to seperate ourselves from div2.I do understand that with all the changes you schedule what you can find that is open. I still am excited about saturday though.GO JACKS

jackmd
10-21-2005, 09:03 AM
No disrespect meant towards m rolla. I just think we need to stay in I-AA and play only these teams to seperate ourselves from div2.I do understand that with all the changes you schedule what you can find that is open. I still am excited about saturday though.GO JACKS

Were in the 2nd year of a trasition period. Its hard to schedule nonconference IAA teams in SD. We've got Georgia Southern coming to town. Be patient and try to understand the transition process before complaining too loudly. People complained about Valpo a DI team with "non-scholarship" FB.

As the spin on old Abe's quote goes:

You can please some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time.

wererabbit
10-21-2005, 09:12 AM
Yes i do realize we are in 2nd year of change .That doesnt mean i have to like the jacks playing div 2 or div3 . I will be more patient and i do realize that div 2 may be on the schedule next year.I still will go and enjoy the games.

filbert
10-21-2005, 09:35 AM
I typed up a long response to our Omaha friends, but then thought "nah, I'll wait to respond to them when they actually have something intelligent and coherent to say."

Could be a long wait.

wererabbit
10-21-2005, 09:44 AM
filbert i can only hope to someday achieve your smack level. I applaud you and enjoy it .Thanks :D still laughing 10 minutes later.

filbert
10-21-2005, 11:15 AM
Thanks, but I give all the credit to BJ and M#1. They make it easy.

Mavericks#1
10-21-2005, 01:38 PM
Thanks :D still laughing 10 minutes later.


Were Rabbit,


You must have been that kid in school that giggled at everything. I have never met a computer programmer that was funny. They are keyboard jockey's that have very few social skills. They are at home in their cubicle where interaction with people is rare. Funny... I don't think so.




Mavs#1

MilwaukeeJacksAlum
10-21-2005, 01:45 PM
Were Rabbit,


You must have been that kid in school that giggled at everything. I have never met a computer programmer that was funny. They are keyboard jockey's that have very few social skills. They are at home in their cubicle where interaction with people is rare. Funny... I don't think so.




Mavs#1

What happened to the Mavs#1 who said he never personally attacked anyone without provocation? I can't remember were rabbit saying anything mean to you or anyone on this forum, yet you go out of your way to personally attack him? I believe Cindy Lauper put it best when she sang, "I see your true colors shining through." (and yes, I've been waiting 3 months to quote Cindy Lauper. That's the kind of guy I am.)

jackmd
10-21-2005, 02:14 PM
Were Rabbit,


You must have been that kid in school that giggled at everything. I have never met a computer programmer that was funny. They are keyboard jockey's that have very few social skills. They are at home in their cubicle where interaction with people is rare. Funny... I don't think so.




Mavs#1

Mav,

You must have been the kid in school who was a little (or alot) slower than everyone else. Therefore, you developed a sense of inferiority which you countered by developing a "bully" mentality. You then surrounded yourself with other numbheaded individuals (your cronies - like bj) and proceeded to systematically garauntee that via your actions and thoughts you would never fully function as a productive member of society. Everyone you have interacted with walks away worse for the time they spent listening to you.

UNO deserves better fans than yourself. I said it before and I think you misunderstood, we need people like you on this site to remind us how good we have it.

SiouxFallsJack
10-21-2005, 02:16 PM
What happened to the Mavs#1 who said he never personally attacked anyone without provocation? I can't remember were rabbit saying anything mean to you or anyone on this forum, yet you go out of your way to personally attack him? I believe Cindy Lauper put it best when she sang, "I see your true colors shining through." (and yes, I've been waiting 3 months to quote Cindy Lauper. That's the kind of guy I am.)



You're a patient man MJA. Didn't you know with mav and jake it's the same old routine, "time after time."

bigjake
10-21-2005, 07:37 PM
Yes, we only had 4500 fans for homecoming but they were 4500 QUALITY fans. And besides - we have other things going on in Omaha unlike Brookings where it is either fb or go visit Leroy down at the feed store. Oh on a side note -
My guess is that OK-Jackrabbit is a full professor bc his posts do not reflect the anger or at least angst that many of my college professors had. I always thought the adjunct profs were angry about not being asst profs, the asst profs wanted to be assoc profs and were hacked about that and the assoc.profs wanted to be full profs with the added $ and status. And they were all angry about the publishing pressures they were under. So you must be a full prof bc not much anger comes from your posts like many of the profs I had in college who seemed discontented all the time.
Good luck against Rolla. At least Panhandle is new to D2 - Rolla has had lots of practice and they are still horrible.

OK_Jackrabbit
10-22-2005, 05:13 AM
Yes, we only had 4500 fans for homecoming but they were 4500 QUALITY fans. And besides - we have other things going on in Omaha unlike Brookings where it is either fb or go visit Leroy down at the feed store. Oh on a side note -
My guess is that OK-Jackrabbit is a full professor bc his posts do not reflect the anger or at least angst that many of my college professors had. I always thought the adjunct profs were angry about not being asst profs, the asst profs wanted to be assoc profs and were hacked about that and the assoc.profs wanted to be full profs with the added $ and status. And they were all angry about the publishing pressures they were under. So you must be a full prof bc not much anger comes from your posts like many of the profs I had in college who seemed discontented all the time.
Good luck against Rolla. At least Panhandle is new to D2 - Rolla has had lots of practice and they are still horrible.
That's a pretty good analysis of professor angst. It all sounds ridiculous, of course. Why would people who only have to "work" 9 months out of the year be so angry? I know those kinds of angry, selfish, jealous professors, but I left them behind at OU and Purdue.

While I am just a lowly, bottom-dwelling assistant professor, I have really nice colleagues here at SDSU, so there's really nothing to be grumpy about.

OK_Jackrabbit
10-22-2005, 04:38 PM
Yes, we only had 4500 fans for homecoming but they were 4500 QUALITY fans.
4,500 for UNO homecoming.
14,500 for SDSU homecoming.
Just a couple of numbers to chew on.

Mavericks#1
10-23-2005, 01:23 AM
Who had the better weekend? ?


UNO upset the #2 Ranked volleyball team in the country and our football team upset the #8 ranked team in the country.



SDSU beat Mo. Rolla ::) ::) ::)


Now that is something to chew on!!!

OK_Jackrabbit
10-23-2005, 04:10 AM
I note that 3,100 showed up for UNO on Saturday. That's really great. And St. Cloud State? What a great... zzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Sorry, I dozed off for a minute.

So we're averaging 9,149 fans for five home dates. At Coughlin, the average is 9,626. Funny thing is, that's almost double what UNO is drawing (4960 average, according to the strangely round numbers from the UNO Web site.)

And don't give me that line about there being so much more to do in Omaha. Either your university has fan support, or it doesn't.

bigjake
10-23-2005, 05:25 PM
UNO decided a few years ago to play games at 1pm even if the huskers were playing at the same time. They feel it is important to get into the Sunday morning papers all over NEbraska. If we would have played that game on sat night we would have had twice the number and maybe more but the admin feels that recruiting is helped by getting in all those newspapers around the state. I think they are wrong but unlike you people I don't think UNO admin values my opinion.
People in Omaha have other options - people in Brookings don't unless you count what is on tv. That is just the way it is.

filbert
10-23-2005, 07:10 PM
Yes, throughout Nebraska, the first thought of literally tens of people across the state is "Gee, I hope there's an article in the local paper this morning about the Maverick game yesterday."

<guffaw>

jacksfaninne
10-23-2005, 09:44 PM
UNO decided a few years ago to play games at 1pm even if the huskers were playing at the same time. They feel it is important to get into the Sunday morning papers all over NEbraska. If we would have played that game on sat night we would have had twice the number and maybe more but the admin feels that recruiting is helped by getting in all those newspapers around the state. I think they are wrong but unlike you people I don't think UNO admin values my opinion.
People in Omaha have other options - people in Brookings don't unless you count what is on tv. That is just the way it is.

So what's your excuse for your lame homecoming crowd? The Huskers were on the road and played a night game at Baylor (that would not be head to head with uno). I guess by your math, had the Huskers played an afternoon game against Baylor, you would have drawn a whooping 2,250 fans for homecoming.

And the next time you try the stupid more-things-to-do excuse for the lack of fan support for your football program, please also try to come up with an excuse that explains away the fact that uno also has about 1 million more people than SDSU from which to draw within an hour of campus.

Finally, as for your QUALITY fans ... I've never seen as many Boy Scout and Girl Scout troops in one place at one time in my life as I have at a uno sporting event. All QUALITY kids, I'm sure. But does anyone (other than fans of the visiting team) actually pay to see a uno sporting event?

OK_Jackrabbit
10-24-2005, 04:55 AM
People in Omaha have other options - people in Brookings don't unless you count what is on tv. That is just the way it is.
Well, that's not an excuse. A fan isn't somebody who "has other options". A fan is somebody who regularly comes to games. We have more than 9,000 of those at each of our football games.

wererabbit
10-24-2005, 07:15 AM
Yes, we only had 4500 fans for homecoming but they were 4500 QUALITY fans. And besides - we have other things going on in Omaha unlike Brookings where it is either fb or go visit Leroy down at the feed store. Oh on a side note -
My guess is that OK-Jackrabbit is a full professor bc his posts do not reflect the anger or at least angst that many of my college professors had. I always thought the adjunct profs were angry about not being asst profs, the asst profs wanted to be assoc profs and were hacked about that and the assoc.profs wanted to be full profs with the added $ and status. And they were all angry about the publishing pressures they were under. So you must be a full prof bc not much anger comes from your posts like many of the profs I had in college who seemed discontented all the time.
Good luck against Rolla. At least Panhandle is new to D2 - Rolla has had lots of practice and they are still horrible.
Hey i do know leroy good friend of mine. He said to give you this message.You are supposed to show up early for work at the pig farm. Dont be late again. ;D yes i have to admit i laughed a lot in school and was possibly a dork and maybe i will never grow out of it but i dont really care. the Jacks won and omaha still kinda stinks. I will admit that i like you guys on this site because the smackfest begans.

Mavericks#1
10-24-2005, 08:59 AM
Well, that's not an excuse. A fan isn't somebody who "has other options". A fan is somebody who regularly comes to games. We have more than 9,000 of those at each of our football games.


What other options did all the fans have, other than the 1,000 that showed up, for missing the Morningside and Southwest Minnesota State games. If a fan is someone who regularly comes to games, where were the loyal fans at the night you got whacked by the NAIA school.


Mavs#1

MilwaukeeJacksAlum
10-24-2005, 10:08 AM
I saw on another thread that SDSU's attendance may have been boosted this weekend by the addition of 400 some Lincoln High band members. Maybe UNO should try that? Just start inviting local high school bands, etc. to their games. Who knows, maybe 5000 people in the stands could be attainable?

OK_Jackrabbit
10-24-2005, 10:24 AM
It doesn't really work to cherry pick some stats from another year and another sport to try and undermine the idea that SDSU has great fan support. But I'll play along. If you want to look at basketball, consider that we have led the nation in D2 basketball attendance repeatedly in the last 20 years. Those years when we didn't lead, we were second. And yes, last year's basketball attendance was awful. I'm betting we'll be back up this year. More to the point, this year we are averaging 9,000+ for football. Last year it was 8,000+ for football.

History clearly bears out the point about great fan support for SDSU athletics.

bigjake
10-24-2005, 06:11 PM
I never had any real doubts that people would support you bc you are the only game in town. That is great that your attendance is solid.
My point of contention has always been that you won't be able to recruit the necessary athletes required to compete in D1 basketball and so far that has been the case. I'll let you know after I see you get your fanny kicked down in LIncoln if things have gotten better. I doubt it. OK-Jackrabbit - I doubt there are very many players on your team that Kelvin Sampson would be interested in and the same with Gene Keady (or whoever is the new Purdue coach).
The other point I have always made is that SD is a poor state and there aren't the deep pockets people necessary to fund the program to the level of necessary to compete over the long term. There has been little to convince me that I am off base on those 2 contentions.
My biggest mistake was that I didn't realize that a mid level d2 team could come into d1aa fb and immed. compete. Obviously there isn't as much difference between the d2 and d1aa as I thought. I guess that is why pat behrns has always said we can compete in d1aa fb.
You can bash UNO all you want about attendance but I would wager that your bean counters are a whole lot more worried about finances than ours are. Remember the Oakland A's in the 1970's didn't draw well but they won big. We are like the A's of the 70's. You are like the Cubs. Lots of people go to see you bc you are all loveable losers.
PS- Mav1 - I find made it the esteemed Jr. Class. Sweet!!

jacksfaninne
10-24-2005, 07:33 PM
... I would wager that your bean counters are a whole lot more worried about finances than ours are

I don't doubt that your bean counters aren't all that worried about finances, 'cause it sure doesn't cost much to aim low.

Rabbitden
10-24-2005, 07:34 PM
Bigjake, I think you have been smoking Fat Js'.

You banter to make your nonsence sound sensible which gives us all a great laugh, the problem here is you keep using UNL as a comparison to everything because lets face it...Omaha is were you have to live because of your butchering job but I think your heart is in Lincoln?

Now if we are going to compare SDSU to UNL you are right we wont compare now. Give this program its time and it will be very competitive with UNL. Not on the football field, but it will be in BB, VB, Wrestling and many of their other sports that dont have the same budget as football.

SDSU and UNL do have some history.

Now, what are you going to do when the new wrestling coference joins together with the schools in the Big 12 with wrestling? I dont want to here we wont compete because UNL, Oklahoma, Iowa, Minn. etc. got a lot of their individual champions right out of all these bodunk towns in SD. Most of these kids will stay right here to wrestle down the road. Yes UNO has a great program but within the next few years I will put the Jacks program up against yours for any bet you want to make.

Quit smoking the gonge...support the Mavs...get a life.

Now I can hardly wait for your comeback on this one so I'll just wait here in the weeds for you to set-up camp and will talk about this over a can of beans.

I mean thats what us Hobo's do, we show hospitality to everyone including stockyard rats. ;)

Mavericks#1
10-25-2005, 04:15 AM
We are like the A's of the 70's. You are like the Cubs. Lots of people go to see you bc you are all loveable losers.
PS- Mav1 - I find made it the esteemed Jr. Class. Sweet!!



Congrats Big Jake, Keep up the good work.My money says UNO mens B-Ball team plays UNL closer than SDSU does.


Mavs#1

Mavericks#1
10-25-2005, 04:34 AM
Big Jake,


This post from another board backs up your statement that the gap between D1AA and D2 football is not that great. NDSU was 17-14 their last three years and D2 and look at them now. And we all know about SDSU's football history. ::) ::) ::)



The players who were seniors on the inagural D-1AA squad at NDSU saw the team go 17-14 in D2 over the previous three seasons. 17-14 over a span of three seasons is very much marginal. If a team can go 17-14 over a span of three years in D2 and then go D-1AA and be somewhat competive right away, that just goes to show it's not all that big of a jump.

filbert
10-25-2005, 04:52 AM
Big Jake,


This post from another board backs up your statement that the gap between D1AA and D2 football is not that great. NDSU was 17-14 their last three years and D2 and look at them now. And we all know about SDSU's football history. ::) ::) ::)

The players who were seniors on the inagural D-1AA squad at NDSU saw the team go 17-14 in D2 over the previous three seasons. 17-14 over a span of three seasons is very much marginal. If a team can go 17-14 over a span of three years in D2 and then go D-1AA and be somewhat competive right away, that just goes to show it's not all that big of a jump.



I realize that "consistency" and "smack" have little to do with one another, but do you realize that you're now arguing against the point you were trying to make when you started this thread?

By the way, Sagarin (you know, the USA Today computer ratings guy) has NDSU at #13 in I-AA and SDSU at #22 this week.

I looked for UNO but realized that Sagarin only rates Division I colleges. So sad.

jackmd
10-25-2005, 10:12 AM
DI envy is a good thing. Dig back through the posts if your looking for details.

Thanks for your support Omaha geeks.

NorCalJack
10-25-2005, 10:48 AM
DI envy is a good thing.

Amen, brother!!

The more we succeed the more Envy. Ha Ha Ha!!!

Go State ;D ;D ;D

Mavericks#1
10-25-2005, 01:50 PM
Amen, brother!!

The more we succeed the more Envy. Ha Ha Ha!!!

Go State ;D ;D ;D



I am sorry, but I am not sure what success you are talking about. Having no winning teams except for football which has beat up on sisters of the poor is not what I call success.


Mavs#1

OK_Jackrabbit
10-25-2005, 02:12 PM
I am sorry, but I am not sure what success you are talking about. Having no winning teams except for football which has beat up on sisters of the poor is not what I call success.


Mavs#1
Yes, sisters of the poor like UC Davis... who beat up on that sad little private school Stanford.

Mavericks#1
10-25-2005, 02:28 PM
I didn't know that Mo Rolla was giving you a good game in the third quarter. Real nice rabbits! This note was from someone at the game.



Statefan must not have been at the same game I was, the mighty Miners scored on the third play of the second half to pull within three points of State, 24 to 21. Granted the last touchdown was against the second team. The bunnies are the bunnies again this year!

NorCalJack
10-25-2005, 02:46 PM
I am sorry, but I am not sure what success you are talking about.


Didn't the Jacks beat Notre Dame in baseball?

Didn't the girls beat Kentucky and Alabama in basketball?


Having no winning teams except for football

The girls basketball team went 21 - 7 last year, what are you talking about?


My money says UNO mens B-Ball team plays UNL closer than SDSU does.

UNO plays UNL in a exhibition game, that is not a real game. UNL will be playing UNO with Freshmen and Sophmores to get them ready for a real game against the Rabbits. Our game counts, yours will have an asterisk next to it.

Envy again - Go State ;D ;D ;D

jackmd
10-25-2005, 04:39 PM
Our game counts, yours will have an asterisk next to it.

Envy again - Go State ;D ;D ;D

Their game won't even be relected in UNL official record. Just as none of their DII wins matter outside of DII. Facts are facts. I'd rather be a fledgling DI team than a successful DII team. The promise at the DI level greatly outweighs the complacency that had set in at the DII level. We are not UNO or USD, were SDSU.

Go Big, Go Blue, Go Jacks!!

Mavericks#1
10-25-2005, 05:55 PM
Didn't the Jacks beat Notre Dame in baseball?

Didn't the girls beat Kentucky and Alabama in basketball?


The girls basketball team went 21 - 7 last year, what are you talking about?


UNO plays UNL in a exhibition game, that is not a real game. UNL will be playing UNO with Freshmen and Sophmores to get them ready for a real game against the Rabbits. Our game counts, yours will have an asterisk next to it.

Envy again - Go State ;D ;D ;D


First of all, what your womens basketball team did last year as I have said in the past was impressive. I would go as far saying very impressive. I will be anxious to see if they follow it up. Your mens team was so bad that I think it took some of the luster off what the women did.

As far as the baseball team beating Notre Dame that was a case of a blind squirrel running upon a acorn. There are so many games in baseball you are going to have a game where you play perfect and they are off their game and that is what happened. I hope that I don't have to remind you what Nebraska did to you. We have beaten them in hockey many times so that does not hold much weight with me.


Having one program with success and all of the rest struggle greatly does equate with success to me. D1AA football is a far way off from D1 football. Save the UC Davis thing because that happens once every ten years. NDSU was average their last three years in D2 football and look what they have done in D1AA. The top ten teams in D2 would compete just fine in D1AA.



Mavs#1

jackmd
10-25-2005, 06:02 PM
There is only one top 10 DII team around these parts and they exist north of Brookings not south. The other top DII programs in this region are now DI.

http://www.usdcoyotes.com/sports/football/release.asp?RELEASE_ID=2679

OK_Jackrabbit
10-25-2005, 06:40 PM
The top ten teams in D2 would compete just fine in D1AA.
Mavs#1
I happen to agree with you, at least to a point. The top ten teams in D2 would "compete" just fine in D1AA. But they wouldn't win much. These 63-scholarship 1AA teams are fast, and many D2 teams are fast. But 1AA teams are deep and are fast from the top to bottom of the roster. Once you get past the key skill players on a D2 team, the speed and athleticism drops off significantly. It's really all about how many good and fast players you have.

Nobody is saying that good D2 teams aren't good football teams. UND, UNO, and USD (and probably UMD) are good D2 teams. But just as SDSU has fallen a bit short against top 1AA teams, so would those bunch, and probably significantly moreso. SDSU has only been a provisional D1(AA) team for about two years, but that's two years with the more extensive off-season lifting and conditioning programs that D1 allows. And six more scholarships (we're at 42) means probably ten more good, fast players. Think of how many good players NDSU has added, with their 63 scholarships.

If you look at a team like Cal Poly, which is the best team I have seen in person this year, they were fast and athletic from #1 to #99. We were short playmakers against them. But we "competed" and almost did it. I'm told Texas State was even faster and more athletic. There is just no way that a D2 team with 36 scholarships could stay with these teams athletically. SDSU has managed to "compete" but we need more scholarship players to get over the hump.

I'm not just blowing smoke. I spent the last 8 years at Iowa, Purdue and Oklahoma, watching 80-whatever scholarship 1A teams. It doesn't surprise me that they usually handle 1AA teams pretty well. It's not that the 1AA teams don't have good players, they just don't have enough good (and a few great) players like the 1A teams have. As you move up, there are more good players and possibly great players. Football is a team sport. The team with more talented depth tends to have a big advantage.

bigjake
10-25-2005, 07:13 PM
I don't think any reasonable could argue with that analysis of d1aa depth over d2. Maybe it is a pipe dream but I have always thought that UNO could compete and possibly beat a good d1aa at the beginning of a season before injuries hit and we are playing with all scholarship players. Once the season goes on and we are playing more walk ons then we don't have a chance. Maybe it is wishful thinking but I think we could surprise some teams early in the season.
A side note - in 15 years of going to UNO fb games we have only scheduled a d1aa team once (NO Iowa). That was during the 96 season and Behrns bought our way out of that game (we played hastings instead) bc he was afraid we would get killed and hurt our confidence early in the season. He may have known something bc we ended 10-2 so it was probably a good decision.
NOR Cal Jack - make no mistake about it - our game against UNL is a LOT more important to them than the SDSU game is. Those guys compete against each other in summer leagues and they will be playing their best to beat us. Creighton played their best against us in recent years and UNL will, too. It may be only an exhibition but it is a lot more meaningful to the huskers than sdsu is. Not even close.
Same with Creighton. When they played UNO their crowd was really pumped for UNO. They won't play us any longer bc we have come too close to beating them.

Rabbitden
10-25-2005, 08:23 PM
Big Jake...here you go again.

I don't care how many played summer leagues against one another.

UNO exhibition game is just that an exhibition game... does not count, no-way, no-how. Basically it is a warm-up scrimmage. The coach will make the decision as to who plays and who does'nt.

I agree the players might have some motivation but the coaching staff will use that game as a feeler and that is it PERIOD!

SDSU will play them a little deeper into the schedule, with the game counting towards RPI. Trust me the coaches will be scouting this one and preparing a lot different than they are for UNOII.

You have to get a clue dude...you talk as if you know athletics very well except those rose colored glasses you wear gotta come off because you just dont seem to understand there is a greater nuance (This means a subtle distinction or variation in case that line puzzles you?) between the two situations.

Have a great year in the watered down world of the NCC and Div. II. Wish you the best of luck...like I said in an earlier smack-fire...I'll be waiting in the weeds for you with a can of beans...we can talk BB all night long too! :o

Mavericks#1
10-25-2005, 08:58 PM
SDSU will play them a little deeper into the schedule, with the game counting towards RPI. Trust me the coaches will be scouting this one and preparing a lot different than they are for UNOII.




I am sure that Barry Collier will lay awake at night worrying about SDSU. He will probably ask for the tape of the Morningside game last year to try and figure out how to stop this new D1 powerhouse ::) ::) ::). This game is a schedule filler and no more. The fans will cry for a refund when they find out that it is not San Diego State like they thought it was. UNO took Creighton down to the wire the last two years that they played. Give me the Huskers and I will give you 20 points. As Mr. Vitale would say "it's blow out city baby"



Mavs#1

Rabbitden
10-26-2005, 05:34 AM
Little brother, get over last years Morningside game. As far as that goes get over last season all together.

How many times does it need to be explained to you that last years season was going to be bad no matter what division we played in.

You and fake jake are just like malodorous mayflys!

By the way do you know that Maverick is just not a unbranded range animal? It is also a motherless calf that is independent and who does not go along with a group or a party. :P

MilwaukeeJacksAlum
10-26-2005, 06:38 AM
I am sure that Barry Collier will lay awake at night worrying about SDSU. He will probably ask for the tape of the Morningside game last year to try and figure out how to stop this new D1 powerhouse ::) ::) ::). This game is a schedule filler and no more. The fans will cry for a refund when they find out that it is not San Diego State like they thought it was. UNO took Creighton down to the wire the last two years that they played. Give me the Huskers and I will give you 20 points. As Mr. Vitale would say "it's blow out city baby"



Mavs#1

I hope UNL sees our game as nothing more than filler. It's that type of attitude which will allow for us to roll out of there with a win. If you truly think any coach in the DI ranks would look at any games on their schedule and put a subpar effort forth because they feel like they should win, you haven't been around too many coaches in your life. Coaches who look past teams end up selling insurance real quick. Often times in your haste to rip on SDSU, you two say things that do nothing to dispell the common conception that you're both idiots. Saying UNL is going to spend less time worrying about SDSU than UNO or any other team for that matter is just dumb.

OK_Jackrabbit
10-26-2005, 06:42 AM
I am sure that Barry Collier will lay awake at night worrying about SDSU. He will probably ask for the tape of the Morningside game last year to try and figure out how to stop this new D1 powerhouse ::) ::) ::). This game is a schedule filler and no more. The fans will cry for a refund when they find out that it is not San Diego State like they thought it was. UNO took Creighton down to the wire the last two years that they played. Give me the Huskers and I will give you 20 points. As Mr. Vitale would say "it's blow out city baby"



Mavs#1
Aww heck. The Morningside dig works because it really was an embarrassing loss to a weak team. Mavs is just baiting us, which is his role here on the smack board. It only works if we take the bait.

jackmd
10-26-2005, 09:30 AM
Aww heck. The Morningside dig works because it really was an embarrassing loss to a weak team.

Last years men's BB season was a disaster to say the least. 10 years from now I doubt I'll remember anything except the losses to Morningside and Southwest St.

AS for this year, cautious optimism is my recommendation. The players are unfamiliar with each other, have limited DI experience, depth is uncertain, size is an issue and the schedule is brutal (especially early). If frustration sets in, crowd sizes are small, and the losses pile-up it will be hard on the Jackrabbit nation.

Mavericks#1
10-26-2005, 05:34 PM
Last years men's BB season was a disaster to say the least. 10 years from now I doubt I'll remember anything except the losses to Morningside and Southwest St.




I know that I will never forget them.

OK_Jackrabbit
10-29-2005, 06:56 PM
OK, so USD lost today to Minnesota-Duluth by almost the same score that we lost to Georgia Southern. I just have to say this, in the context of all the suggestions that 1AA and DII aren't that far apart. Does anyone here really think, for a second, that Minnesota-Duluth and Georgia Southern are even remotely comparable teams? It's been suggested that USD is actually better than SDSU. You have to be kidding me. I know it's not a perfect apples-to-apples comparison (but this is a smack board, not an accounting classroom). But seriously. How close could USD play Georgia Southern if they can't beat UMD?