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JACKGUYII
04-03-2006, 09:34 AM
It seems Tim Miles is a serious candidate for the now vacant North Carolina Wilmington.

During TV6 sports last night it was reported that Miles is one of three finalists along with the assistants from Texas and Kansas. There is a connection between the UNC-Wilmington AD and Miles as they both graduated from the U of Mary. It was also reported that Gene Taylor is developing a short list of replacement candidates.

Would Nagy be considering these kind of jobs if they were offered. He has had more sustained success than Miles. I personally don't think Miles has done anything to merit this kind of opportunity, but he is one of the new DI darlings of the month.

JH81
04-03-2006, 10:49 AM
It's not always who you are, but who you know. If Miles has a connection with the AD then that's why he's a finalist (other than his qualifications).

Nagy probably knows plenty of people, but unless he's putting his name out there they're not going to consider him.

hoops_guy
04-03-2006, 10:52 AM
It's not always who you are, but who you know. If Miles has a connection with the AD then that's why he's a finalist (other than his qualifications).

Nagy probably knows plenty of people, but unless he's putting his name out there they're not going to consider him.


16-12 with a big name win, yeah it's old news but will be attached to Miles for the next year, will sell a lot better than 9-18. Not trying to be a jerk, just saying it is all about perception.

89rabbit
04-03-2006, 11:13 AM
Going .500 against D-I schools (even with a big win) usually doesn't make you a "hot prospect". I am going to agree with #81 and say this is a case of "who you know".

Go State! ;D

JACKGUYII
04-03-2006, 12:04 PM
I think Scott knows plenty of people, but I think he is motivated by more than money. I'm not saying he wouldn't take a more prestigious job if offered, but believe he is really committed to getting us through this difficult transition and getting back to the winning ways!

hoops_guy
04-03-2006, 12:45 PM
The interest in Miles is based on who he knows without question. I am simply saying he can be "sold" as a candidate to the boosters and the program more easily based on this past year than Coach Nagy. We all know it is about "what have you done for me lately!" That was the only point I was trying to make.

Alumguy
04-03-2006, 12:49 PM
Tim Miles is a good guy. That said, he has a history of moving to "better" jobs. Greg McDermott (Wayne State, NDSU, UNI, now to Iowa State) is of the same mold.

SDSUFAN
04-03-2006, 12:58 PM
The interest in Miles is based on who he knows without question. I am simply saying he can be "sold" as a candidate to the boosters and the program more easily based on this past year than Coach Nagy. We all know it is about "what have you done for me lately!" That was the only point I was trying to make.

I would agree, and its about what you have done lately.
Having networks are very important in the coaching circles and this is not a new thing at all.

I recall when Coach Nagy did apply and was a finalist at Bradley a few years back. I was very curious about how this selection would go So I watched daily the message board connected to Peoria Newspaper. The relief felt at the time was that, though Nagy was a finalist, none of the die hard Bradley fans were even remotely curious about this guy with the great winning record from SDSU. Some of these fans probably still have no idea that SDSU has since moved up to D1. So getting your hat to land in the final consideration barrel is a task, so all your prior connections do mean something.

As far as Miles, I am impressed with his career so far, but the UNC-W job could be a Peter Principal for Tim too. He has done a good job at NDSU, and losing at Frost does not make him a horrible coach. I would look for him to interview at UNC-W but end up staying at NDSU.

JACKGUYII
04-03-2006, 01:19 PM
Neither does winning at Wisconsin make him a great coach!

SDSUFAN
04-03-2006, 02:10 PM
If you upset a B10 team, you have to have done something right. Or was it luck again?? Only bad luck happens to Scott Nagy. So God cant possibly be on our side.

JACKGUYII
04-03-2006, 03:31 PM
I won't say it's luck as I have said before I have a lot of respect for what the Bison did against the Badgers. I don't believe that win should neccesarily make you the immediate most eligible coach for the next DI opening. I think he is being considered purely because of the relationship with the AD. You sure seem to have soured on coach Nagy. I think the basketball planets will realign and the Jacks will get this turned around. Unfortunately I don't think we have hit rock bottom, but we are close and will work our way back up.

JACKGUYII
04-03-2006, 03:46 PM
Here is our friend SDSUFAN pandering to the Bison Fans on a Tim Miles thread.








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Re: Miles named in UNC-Wilmington opening
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I think Miles is a very good coach. I dont want to say he is the best. My fellow Jack fans seem to think he is lucky and because he did not win in Brookings this year, he is somehow horrible coach. I dont see it that way at all. No question the Jacks got in the minds of the young Bison, but that does not make him a horrible coach.

I know a very visible person at SDSU said that when he he got to know Tim several years back when Tim was the assistant BB coach and development officer who was also responsible for fund raising besides coaching at Northern State University. This person concluded then in getting to know Tim that he was not long for NSU. This persons gut feelings were right, as Miles moved on to SWMSU, NDSU and now maybe UNC-Wilmington.

I am impressed with Coach Miles, and would hope NDSU can hang on to him for a while, but Tim is strikes me as being more dynamic and a team builder. Good luck to Coach Miles and hopefully he makes the right decision for himself and his family.

I think NDSU will not have a problem finding a replacement if Miles moves on to UNC-W.

As far as AD connections, whats wrong with that? The people who climb have a network.

Nagy applied for the Bradley job a few years back and I watched daily the fan message board for the Peoria News paper to see if there was any following in Peoria. The good or bad part was that of all the candidates mentioned, the die hard Bradley fans never mentioned Scott Nagy nor were they remotely curious about who he was as a coach. Nor did they care about his good record at a then D2 SDSU.
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SDSUFAN
04-03-2006, 03:53 PM
Pandering??????? give me a break. I said basically the same thing on this board. I dont have to pander to anyone. I got my opinions and I stand by them. I have no reason to be jealous of NDSU and Coach Miles because he got an offer. Whats the problem with getting breaks and having connections? Its part of moving up in coaching and elsewhere. You mean you pulled yourself up by the boot straps? No help from no one else? You did not kiss any behinds? Okay Sioux Falls insider its your turn.

filbert
04-03-2006, 04:33 PM
It seems like this is being framed as a Miles vs. Nagy issue. I'm not sure I follow that logic.

Personally I'd like to see Scott Nagy coach for 50 years at SDSU, becoming a coaching institution in that time, and retiring near the top of the all-time coaching wins list.

That would be supremely cool.

JACKGUYII
04-03-2006, 04:50 PM
Pandering??????? give me a break. I said basically the same thing on this board. I dont have to pander to anyone. I got my opinions and I stand by them. I have no reason to be jealous of NDSU and Coach Miles because he got an offer. Whats the problem with getting breaks and having connections? Its part of moving up in coaching and elsewhere. You mean you pulled yourself up by the boot straps? No help from no one else? You did not kiss any behinds? Okay Sioux Falls insider its your turn.

You seem to be the only one throwing the luck word around. I'm not jealous of Miles and I doubt Nagy is either. If this is an opportunity that Miles deems worthy of leaving a region that he grew up in so be it. If his goal is to keep moving up the food chain at all costs than he ought to take this window of opportunity as there are no guarantees his program will get better or worse. I defended the magnitude of the Bison win over the Badgers. I don't think that is what's potentially getting him this job, but rather his relationship with the AD. I do think the Jacks win over the Bison in Brookings was more significant than the blowout loss in Fargo based on who was on the floor at the end of the game. I know you have some real issues with Nagy and Larson over some of the players they have recruited and yes there should be some criticism, but it's not easy to understand how a player will perform on or off the court once they get to campus. If anyone figures that out please let the coaching staff know your formula.

Jackbacker
04-03-2006, 04:54 PM
Filbert is right, this shouldn't be a Nagy v. Miles comparison.

Tim Miles is a great coach. Just because he isn't a Jackrabbitt does not mean his is a terrible coach as some claim. Maybe his connection with the University of Mary is helping him, but look at what he did at Southwest State. It took them to the Elite Eight. He has also done a nice job at NDSU. He is a qualified coach, and is an up and comer. He is not being considered for the UNC Wilmington job on his Badger upset, but the job he has done throughout the years. If Nagy would ever leave SDSU, I would welcome Tim Miles with open arms in Frost.

There is no need to diss Miles on this board. He is a fellow South Dakotan (born and raised in Doland-Conde) and has connections to NSU. I wish him luck and hope he gets the job if he wants it.

Sorry to call you out, but JackGuyII.....calling out SDSUFan as pandering to the Bison - give me a break. He did no such thing.

JACKGUYII
04-03-2006, 04:58 PM
Go over and read his full comments and the response of the Bison fans and decide for yourself. SDSUFAN has decided recently the Jacks can't do anything right and the Bison are doing everything right.

SDSUFAN
04-03-2006, 05:03 PM
I do think the Jacks win over the Bison in Brookings was more significant than the blowout loss in Fargo based on who was on the floor at the end of the game. I know you have some real issues with Nagy and Larson over some of the players they have recruited and yes there should be some criticism, but it's not easy to understand how a player will perform on or off the court once they get to campus. If anyone figures that out please let the coaching staff know your formula.




You are right about that I do have problems with the recruiting, and lets see where we are one year from now. President Miller gave Coach Nagy another year I guess I can too, but after that.........Who knows

I don't understand why you are trying to make me some kind of disloyal oger. I am not. I dont hide my opinions about SDSU athletics. If something good can be said I will say it and agree with anyone else who says it but as far as the Men's BB program, I am not happy with what has been accompolished so far. Is that being disloyal? I do not think so. I am giving an honest opinion.

As far as the Bison, they have had one guy transfer, namely Andrew Brown to SD Tech, a Bismarck native by the way and most of their roster will be back for another season. NDSU does not have guys who are wanting to give the program up like we seem to have. Where is Landon Scott, Joe Green Jake Wenig, Mr Keller and the list goes on? I think its fair ask why the turnover, without being accused of pandering to NDSU.

Here is the webpage. Do a search on all I said over there and tell me how it is different from what I said here.
www.bisonville. BTW I use the same handle over on Bisonville.

JH81
04-03-2006, 07:25 PM
The sky is blue...discuss

http://diaafootball.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?board=Smack;action=display;num=1143669685; start=22#22

NightHawk78
04-03-2006, 08:33 PM
Just my two cents on Coach Miles:

1. Even though he may be fun to heckle at Frost, he is a good coach as evidenced by NDSU's 16-12 record this year and its win AT Wisconsin.

2. He took the SW Minn. St. program, one better known for its '70s futility, to the Elite 8, helping the trend that the NSIC could compete with the NCC in basketball.

3. He is eager to climb the ladder. He went from Mayville (2 seasons) to SMSU (4 seasons) before heading to NDSU. If I were a college AD who wanted to build a program, I wouldn't hire Miles because I couldn't count on him staying around for the long-term. I, however, would hire him to turnaround a program in order to make it more-attractive for a long-term coach.

4. The elite coaches need to be able to win a reasonable (35-50%) number of away games against their top rivals. Miles, despite the high-caliber talent he has had, hasn't been able to win at Frost, period.

Rabbitden
04-04-2006, 12:16 AM
SDSUFan, I will first off give you credit for speaking your mind but I will not give you credit for your dislike of Nagy and his staff. If you do...seriously in your heart think they are wrong or bad for the program you must have a sharp spur up your rear end.

It has been said time and time again why such people as Wenig, Green, Kellar, etc. have left...are we worst off because of it? No...search into the background reasons for some of these young men leaving the program and school? Landon Scott, ha, know his dad, kid thought he was to cool for school. Think when he found out that he had to go to class and play defense it didnt fit his dream.

NDSU has had one good year and you are almost servicing thier coach and admin. The Badger win was huge, but lets be serious, shooting 26% from the field I think a lot of so-so teams would of beat them that particular evening. Did you watch the highlights...clank, clank, air ball, air ball...it wasnt a pretty night for Wisconsin. Dont tell me it was because of the defense either...those clank, clanks and air balls were uncontested.

Now back to Tim Miles, great coach good luck to him. Will see how the Bison match up to the Jacks in the next couple of years and then I'll make my decision on their program.

We have had a couple of down years and you are screaming bloody murder for a new staff. By the way...Peggy made the statement on SN being here for another year to shut up the rumor mill that thought he was getting ousted. A lot of that mill was generated right here by the way.

Go Jacks!

JH81
04-04-2006, 07:01 AM
It's nice to see that we can argue about our staff and troubles that have been had. Just nice to know that we're not the only school in the upper midwest having problems retaining players, and this from a program that is two years removed from a final four.

http://www.startribune.com/512/story/349045.html

Broback becomes third player to leave Gophers
A junior forward and the team's leading scorer, she is the latest to exit since the U completed a season that featured failure at the end.
Jerry Zgoda, Star Tribune

Gophers junior forward Jamie Broback, the team's leading scorer, is the latest to exit since the U completed a season that featured failure at the end.

David Joles, Star Tribune

Women's hockey: Badgers spoil three-peat plans
Gophers women's basketball starting junior forward Jamie Broback on Monday became the third player in 11 days to leave the team after a season that ended with her benched for the last 18 minutes of a first-round NCAA tournament loss.

*more article in link*

jackrabbit1979
04-04-2006, 07:48 AM
It's nice to see that we can argue about our staff and troubles that have been had. Just nice to know that we're not the only school in the upper midwest having problems retaining players, and this from a program that is two years removed from a final four.

http://www.startribune.com/512/story/349045.html


Broback becomes third player to leave Gophers
A junior forward and the team's leading scorer, she is the latest to exit since the U completed a season that featured failure at the end.
Jerry Zgoda, Star Tribune

Gophers junior forward Jamie Broback, the team's leading scorer, is the latest to exit since the U completed a season that featured failure at the end.

David Joles, Star Tribune

Women's hockey: Badgers spoil three-peat plans
Gophers women's basketball starting junior forward Jamie Broback on Monday became the third player in 11 days to leave the team after a season that ended with her benched for the last 18 minutes of a first-round NCAA tournament loss.

*more article in link*

I sure hope the gopher's womens coach doesn't leave/get fired...

I can think of one young Minnesota native who has had a boatload of success coaching women's bball that i bet would look pretty attractive to the gopher's program.

MilwaukeeJacksAlum
04-04-2006, 11:34 AM
My wife's little brothers (17 & 19) were here over the weekend and brought with them NCAA 2k6. Both Nagy and Miles were fired after their first season on the game. Don't worry, though. CJ (bro-in-law) picked up the coaching slack and took the SDSU Jackrabbits to the dance only 3 years into his reign. See, it can be done. And, CJ's only 19 and doesn't even know what help side defense even means! And, the sun's shining here today.

Rabbitlivinginverm
04-19-2006, 09:32 PM
Word from Bisonville is that Miles was offered the UNC-W job. He will make a decision soon....

22jack
04-21-2006, 09:12 AM
THey said on the radio this morning that he turned it down. Said the time was not right.

Rabbitden
04-21-2006, 11:57 PM
Sitting in Fargo this weekend for a sales meeting. The Forum here had a nice article on the Miles situation. A lot of factors went in to his decision...personally I am proud of Mr. Miles for his reasoning.

On a side note...the Forum also had a great article on the Bison spring football game taking place on Saturday.

The whole front page of the Forum sports section dedicated to their only Div. I team in all sports within the State of ND.
Maybe the Argus should take some trips up here to get an education? :o

Then again I doubt sometimes if the sports staff at the Argus understand there is a University to the North of SF. (Minus Mr. Solari of cource but with him on vaction they have really dropped the ball.)

If its negative they dont miss a beat. They still dont understand the power house teams of Div IAA...if they did, Spewy would actually have to write something positive. Considering our schedules in the future, I think he would turn a brighter shade of red than his nose gets after he pulls it out of the U's arse. :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

GO JACKS!