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Coyote_Fan
06-12-2006, 12:03 AM
It's amazing actually. SDSU is a whole fricken 2 years removed from the NCC and D2 and they act like they are some kind of a prestigious institution that doesn't even belong in the same company of the former NCC schools. If several NCC schools move up you should be ectatic not hoping against it. Look at your basketball team. They are horrible, but according to many of you the level of competition is so high that the NCC couldn't even hang with them. Just like SDSU mens basketball can barely win at home against a mediocre NSIC team. So much for your stiff competition. Even if it is considered well above the NCC it's not as if the Jacks have had any success in mens basketball. Maybe you should concentrate on keeping your players out of jail instead of worrying so much about what a prestigious institution SDSU suddenly is. Just because your president decided to move to D1 doesn't mean you have accomplished squat. Alot of you need to stop stomping all over your former conference mates because like it or not there is a possibility that the former NCC or at least part of it may be rejoining SDSU and NDSU in some form or another. Show some respect already, because what you are going is disgracing your own school and where they came from just 3 short years ago. If the NCC is so terrible and so much below a school that is a D1 independent without an identity, well I guess if that is your idea of being on a higher pedestal then so be it, but your kidding yourself. If SDSU can make the move to D1 then the other schools in the NCC can do the same. Your football team has been horrible over the last several decades without any resemblance of success so I don't want to hear how great the D1AA is in football because half of the NCC including USD would do just as well or better than your football team is doing right now. Afterall over the years that was always the case anyway. Your football team is doing exactly what it has all along so no gain or loss but your basketball team has regressed to unbelievable levels. There isn't even any honorability in the program any more.

So go ahead and hope that the NCC doesn't join your cause because if you get your wish and that doesn't happen it actually might leave you out in the cold. If UND moves up and joins with NDSU and they both get excepted as a pair into a conference that would leave SDSU on an island all alone as a D1 independant with no where to go. If some of the NCC teams move up they would have the same scholarship requirements that you have right now so it's not as if they wouldn't be worthy of the D1 status. SDSU might actually need USD, or St. Cloud to pair up with to get accepted in a conference. They might not, be then against like I said they may.

Just stop the arrogance already because it is getting you nowhere but a reputation of being a wannabe snob that really has no reason to stick your nose in the air.

1stRowFANatic
06-12-2006, 07:49 AM
Hey Coyote Fan,
I've got a suggestion for you, do not log on anymore. Nobody makes you read the posts.

filbert
06-12-2006, 08:13 AM
I'd say CoyoteFan has a point, but at the same time is guilty of the very same emotion-based reasoning he complains about in SDSU fans.
All he is doing with his bitter rant is adding gasoline to the fire. Counterproductive.

I happen to think that it's short-sighted to be opposed to additional NCC teams moving up, but I also understand where it's coming from. If all we have to look forward to with a D-I USD is more dead rabbits thrown onto basketball courts (and rhetorical dead rabbits tossed into on-line forums) then yeah, USD should stay D-II.

Apologies for the basically non-smacky response. Go at it, all.

SF_Rabbit_Fan
06-12-2006, 08:45 AM
God forbid a university's fans and alumni actually support their school.



I have a suggestion for a new school motto at USD:

"We crucify ourselves between two thieves - regret for the past and fear of the future."

Fulton Oursler



Here at SDSU we take pride in our past and look to the future with optimism.

Ozark_Jack
06-12-2006, 09:48 AM
Coyote Fan,
When SDSU made the decision to move up to D1, usd and it's cronies did everything within their power to prevent it. including getting your local govt. representatives to try and stop it. It was said that the state of SD cant support a D1 institution (wrong) but it doesnt really matter on that point, because our athletic program is funded almost entirely of private funds/gifts/endowments. a luxury that usd doesnt have. Your lack of insight has put you in your present situation. The state of South Dakota shouldnt be getting the bill for usd's move up to D1 because you lack the funds and or initiative to raise the money, SDSU had the guts to go out on our own and make the move (very successfully I might add).You mention a down mens basketball year because thats all you have, 9-19 wasnt the end of the world, and the program is looking very bright again. Correct me if I'm wrong but the only two common opponents we had (Morningside and SW Minnesota) we defeated both and usd lost to both. I rarely post in Smack Talk because I think it's stupid- but anything to set a misguided, whining usd fan straight is worth it. As far as thinking were better than you. your right-I really do think that!!! GO JACKS !!!

jackmd
06-12-2006, 10:41 AM
God forbid a university's fans and alumni actually support their school.



I have a suggestion for a new school motto at USD:

"We crucify ourselves between two thieves - regret for the past and fear of the future."

Fulton Oursler



Here at SDSU we take pride in our past and look to the future with optimism.

SF_Rabbit, nice summary of our little brother to the south.

We asked for their support in the move to DI and they said no. Now, some of them want back into the club. Posts like the crap yote_fan made above, (probably while intoxicated) will do nothing to facilitate open discourse. Onward and upward.

89rabbit
06-12-2006, 11:08 AM
God forbid a university's fans and alumni actually support their school.



I have a suggestion for a new school motto at USD:

"We crucify ourselves between two thieves - regret for the past and fear of the future."

Fulton Oursler



Here at SDSU we take pride in our past and look to the future with optimism.


Great post, love the quote! 8-)


Go State! :)

thebluehatman
06-12-2006, 11:26 AM
mmmmmm double standards of a usd fan. maybe its mick garry or stu whitney. conspiracy theory time:D

SUPERBUNNY
06-12-2006, 11:35 AM
Coyote_Fan does forget one important point, this is an online chat forum!

He asks for those on here posting to show respect, well, I can listen to that to a point. After all, some posts can get a little crazy. But as far as respect goes, I don't remember them showing a lot of respect when we would make the trip to the "Dakota Dump" (Dang it, there I go!) for either football or basketball. Their AD condones a pretty much "anything goes" atmosphere.

Does anyone remember any of these respectful Coyote fans events:

1. Students wearing t-shirts bearing everything from f-words to comments about Dr. Oien.

2. Things being tossed onto the floor. How about the cheerleader that was clocked with a frozen rabbit?

3. Anyone remember the USD B-ball parent running onto the court and shoving one of our players? He didn't even get kicked out of the game!

4. Add your memorable moment HERE!

My point is this, is there arrogance on this board? You bet your hind-end there is! Is there arrogance down at USD? Yep, you can even smell it on I-29 when the wind is out of the west!

I wish USD the best in the NCC, I've even said on here that I think that SDSU moving up will be good in the long run for USD as well. If they move up, I wish them luck but they will get to experience the same growing pains that we have been through!

The one thing that I do miss is the rivalry games against the 'Yotes in Brookings. BUT I WILL NEVER MISS GOING TO VERMILLION FOR OUR ANNUAL DOSE OF DISRESPECT!

SUPERBUNNY

Jacks02
06-12-2006, 06:51 PM
I don't miss the "rivalry" with USD at all. That was a "rivalry" comprised of a mutual hatred (if thats even a strong enough word) of another school, something that I have no interest in ever being a part of again. I had too many bad experiences with Coyote fans in my 5 years of school at SDSU. While I wish them luck in D2, I have no interest in playing them again in any sport, whether they are ever DI or not.

SD-STATE
06-12-2006, 07:05 PM
It's not a point of us thinking that NCC teams are not worthy competition it's a matter of, myself personally anyway, wanting to play Big Sky teams or Mid-Con/GWFC teams every year, not a new version of the NCC. I don't have the history or attatchment with any of the NCC teams to care about ever playing them again except NDSU. SDSU fans are by no means arrogant snobs, but with all the hard work we and NDSU have done, talk of UND and USD joining us in the move after we have paved the way does make me feel a little, resentful, is that the right word? Kind of like your mother making you let your little brother tag along with you when you hang out with your friends.

NorCalJack
06-12-2006, 07:16 PM
Show some respect already, because what you are going is disgracing your own school and where they came from just 3 short years ago.

Just a few years ago the NCC had UNC, NDSU and SDSU. Prior to those schools leaving, the NCC was the best D-2 conference in the country. I would not consider a conference with UNO, USD, Auggie, MSU and SCSt. as an equal to a conference that also included UNC, SDSU, NDSU and UND. I'm real sorry if UNC, SDSU, NDSU and UND sh1t in your Wheaties, but the fact is USD, UNO and the other NCC schools are inferior to UNC, SDSU, NDSU and will soon be inferior to UND if they declare. Just face the facts, SDSU left USD in D-2. SDSU invited you along for the ride and you said no. Live with it and move on. Quit trying to drag us down to your pitiful level.

Oh, and we did finally SCREW the "U" but good, yes we did. ;D ;D ;D

NightHawk78
06-12-2006, 08:45 PM
Here are my two cents on this discussion:

1) The Dakotadome (aka "Dakota Dump") barely contains room for a proper football field and is a horrendous venue for basketyball as only USD students have a chance of getting a good view there. Coyote_Fan, ask your fellow USD fans if they would want a new basketball arena; I wouldn't be surprised if 75-80% of them would prefer a new (and improved) venue.

2) As I mentioned in an earlier post, the trend of D-2 being flooded by smaller schools was a major factor in SDSU and NDSU moving up to D-1, not dissatisfaction with the NCC. The future of the NCC, however, was a concern to SDSU once it was clear that UNC and NDSU were out the door because of the lack of similar schools in the Upper Midwest that could fill that void.

3) Much of the dissatisfaction with the NCC among NDSU and SDSU backers occurred once the move to D-1 was announced. None of the other NCC schools were willing to make the move, a scenario which would have made scheduling (and allowing for the NCC to phase into D-1 at a more deliberate rate) better for all parties involved. The dissatisfaction was increased when the remaining NCC schools (excluding Augie in the '04 FB season) refused to schedule SDSU in FB and BB, even though SDSU was willing to give guarantees and make a trip to play USD in Sioux Falls (as part of a two-game deal! These schools wanted to deal with SDSU as if it were still a D-2 school, even though D-1 schools DO NOT travel to D-2 schools under normal circumstances.

4) If USD were to move up to D-1 in the near future, I am almost certain that SDSU would be more accomodating to the Coyotes than they were a few years ago........however, I have a feeling we're more likely to see USD drop down to D-3 and a) re-establish their rivalry with Morningside and b) start a nice, little feud with Buena Vista ;D ;D ;D

Go State!!!

P.S. Coyote_Fan, if you want to see a true example of arrogance, check out the NDSU fan board. Some of their members are already gunning for a move into I-A. :-? :-? :-?

sdman
06-12-2006, 09:28 PM
There does seem to be some anger in Coyote's post. But they do seem to be in a terrible position being that they are probably too far from the MIAA conference to be considered and have too many money problems for D1 at the present time. I really don't miss our rivalry that much with USD but I do miss all the close proximity games we had with the ncc teams. The guy does sound a little bitter knowing that their future could be in the northern sun.
I would love it if we could reconstitute a D1 ncc even if we are a few years ahead in the process than they are. I will enjoy the mid continent if we get in but no more than a d1 ncc if that ever came about which I highly doubt. AFter watching most of our home games the last 3 years I just am not thinking much about the possible autobid - I am just thinking about getting back to winning half our games in men's bb. I don't know the recruits we have coming in but we have a ways to go to get to .500. I will worry about the autobid when we get better but based on what I saw last year we have a ways to go before we consider that.

thebluehatman
06-12-2006, 09:58 PM
This is a board about the Jacks, so what do you expect when you join this board? Honestly, we're gonna talk a lot about SDSU sports and events. USD has their own board, complain to your fans about stuff like this. we're proud of where we have headed in the last 3 years. if your comfortable where you are then stay there or move to Omaha 8-)

FargoBison
06-12-2006, 10:05 PM
P.S. Coyote_Fan, if you want to see a true example of arrogance, check out the NDSU fan board. Some of their members are already gunning for a move into I-A. :-? :-? :-?

For the record I don't care what the NCC schools do they can do what they please but I doubt NDSU will lend much of a helping hand to any of them in the near future if they do go DI.

As for IA that is coming from the top, both the AD and the Prez have said we will explore all options to get into a conference and the coach and the President even said NDSU could very well be IA in 15 years. I wouldn't call wanting to go IA arrogant just more of an optimistic view of where they feel NDSU should be. Nobody is bashing IAA or saying NDSU is dominating it, just maybe IA is the best fit for NDSU long term. If and when NDSU gets into a conference I expect the IA talk to die down quite a bit, unless we have an amazing year and finish #1 in the country or something like that.

Jacks15
06-12-2006, 10:44 PM
USD didn't think far enough ahead and is going to pay when they are playing Dak St and Black Hills. Our leaders had a vision and knew where SDSU should be. I would not want to be in their Presidents shoes when UND declares for D1. To be the only one of four flagship universities in the Dakotas that is not D1 would have to be a little embarrassing. I really don't believe we left D2 because of the NCC, it was all of the little schools that are starting to take over the bottom half of the division. Sorry not that great at smack.

SF_Rabbit_Fan
06-13-2006, 08:32 AM
Here are my two cents on this discussion:

1) The Dakotadome (aka "Dakota Dump") barely contains room for a proper football field and is a horrendous venue for basketyball as only USD students have a chance of getting a good view there. Coyote_Fan, ask your fellow USD fans if they would want a new basketball arena; I wouldn't be surprised if 75-80% of them would prefer a new (and improved) venue.



Funny you should mention that NightHawk. There is actually a poll on the USD message board addressing this same issue. The results?

86.6% said "yes, let's start fundraising today!"

13.3% said "yes, but only if we go DI"

0% said they would keep the Dakota Dome.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

SD-STATE
06-13-2006, 01:16 PM
For the record I don't care what the NCC schools do they can do what they please but I doubt NDSU will lend much of a helping hand to any of them in the near future if they do go DI.

As for IA that is coming from the top, both the AD and the Prez have said we will explore all options to get into a conference and the coach and the President even said NDSU could very well be IA in 15 years. I wouldn't call wanting to go IA arrogant just more of an optimistic view of where they feel NDSU should be. Nobody is bashing IAA or saying NDSU is dominating it, just maybe IA is the best fit for NDSU long term. If and when NDSU gets into a conference I expect the IA talk to die down quite a bit, unless we have an amazing year and finish #1 in the country or something like that.

If the Bison make the jump to IA football, I guess I'll have to get some tickets to watch them play the Gophers in the Motor City Bowl or Music City Bowl. Let's see here.... DIAA National Championship or (your choice) City Bowl trophy? To silly for me to answer.

RodentiaX1
06-13-2006, 04:33 PM
It's amazing actually. SDSU is a whole fricken 2 years removed from the NCC and D2 and they act like they are some kind of a prestigious institution that doesn't even belong in the same company of the former NCC schools.

I doubt you will find a single SDSU fan who thinks that SDSU doesn't belong in the same company as former NCC schools.


If several NCC schools move up you should be ectatic not hoping against it.

And if these schools want to move up, they should go for it.


Look at your basketball team. They are horrible, but according to many of you the level of competition is so high that the NCC couldn't even hang with them. Just like SDSU mens basketball can barely win at home against a mediocre NSIC team. So much for your stiff competition.

Ah, the wonders of illogic. Your argument is that since SDSU played an NSIC team, that SDSU did not play stiff competition. That's like saying because I ate a piece of celery during Thanksgiving dinner, I didn't consume a lot of calories. If playing SW Minnesota State, playing Kentucky, Illinois, Nebraska and Minnesota is like stuffing yourself on turkey with gravy. And that's just the top of the schedule, the rest is still a lot stiffer than NCC competition.


Even if it is considered well above the NCC it's not as if the Jacks have had any success in mens basketball. Maybe you should concentrate on keeping your players out of jail instead of worrying so much about what a prestigious institution SDSU suddenly is.

Here's a news flash for you - D-I is tougher than D-II.


Just because your president decided to move to D1 doesn't mean you have accomplished squat.

If that were all there was, you would be correct. However, more has happened than just deciding to go D-I. What has happened is that SDSU has actually done it.


Alot of you need to stop stomping all over your former conference mates because like it or not there is a possibility that the former NCC or at least part of it may be rejoining SDSU and NDSU in some form or another.

Compared to your treatment of SDSU, Jackrabbit fans have practically fawned over the NCC. Sure, there is a possibility of other NCC schools moving up. Defecate or get off the toilet.


Show some respect already, because what you are going is disgracing your own school and where they came from just 3 short years ago.

Show some respect? You have the arrogance to tell US to show some respect?


If the NCC is so terrible and so much below a school that is a D1 independent without an identity, well I guess if that is your idea of being on a higher pedestal then so be it, but your kidding yourself.

Again, news flash: D-I is a higher level of competition than is D-II. That's simply iron-clad fact.


If SDSU can make the move to D1 then the other schools in the NCC can do the same.

There is a world of difference between being able to move up and actually doing it.


Your football team has been horrible over the last several decades without any resemblance of success so I don't want to hear how great the D1AA is in football because half of the NCC including USD would do just as well or better than your football team is doing right now.

In what world is 6-5 against higher-caliber competition considered "horrible"? You don't want to hear that I-AA is a higher level of competition that D-II? Well, the truth hurts, doesn't it? You can claim all you want that USD would do better if they moved up, but until USD does move up, it doesn't mean a thing.

Oh, and I believe the word you meant to use was "semblace", not "resemblance".


There isn't even any honorability in the program any more.

There's no such word as honorability. Perhaps you meant "honor"? Of course, it's no surprise that you can't even spell the word "honor".


So go ahead and hope that the NCC doesn't join your cause because if you get your wish and that doesn't happen it actually might leave you out in the cold. If UND moves up and joins with NDSU and they both get excepted as a pair into a conference that would leave SDSU on an island all alone as a D1 independant with no where to go.

If the other NCC schools eventually decide move up, SDSU will already have been in a conference for quite some time before these schools get a conference invitation.


If some of the NCC teams move up they would have the same scholarship requirements that you have right now so it's not as if they wouldn't be worthy of the D1 status.

If these schools move up, yes. But that is a big if. When they move up, they can be peers of SDSU, but not till then.


Just stop the arrogance already because it is getting you nowhere but a reputation of being a wannabe snob that really has no reason to stick your nose in the air.

No one here could match 1,000th of the arrogance coming from you. Only in your jealous fantasies does SDSU have a reputation for arrogance. There is a lot of arrogance coming from USD fans, but you are by far the worst offender.

filbert
06-13-2006, 08:26 PM
Masterful Fisking of Coyote_Fan's post, RodentiaX1!

Coyote_Fan
06-13-2006, 09:12 PM
This post does prove one thing. SDSU fans still care alot about what happens with USD. With all the hating of USD that is shown from SDSU fans shows me the respect they still have for the red and white. If Rabbit fans didn't care or respect USD the response wouldn't have already reached 20 replies and counting. If your fans truley are focusing on D1 and all the benefits why is it when D1 teams come to Frost the arena draws about 2 or 3K but when USD comes it always sells out. It may be much about hate, but it also shows a respect. If USD moved up to D1 Frost and the Dakotadome would be back to selling out or nearly doing do. It's about rivalries and rivalries cannot be forced You can try to sell a product like Ball St or Valparaiso but the people in Brookings are still 5 times more enamored with USD. That is very hard to argue with. So go ahead and critisize me, I can deal with it but the attention that you have paid this post proves all that I needed to know.

thebluehatman
06-13-2006, 09:59 PM
i thought USD was prestigious school, known for academics. the spelling this person uses is horrible. perhaps it is a product of his schooling. in case you haven't been to Frost lately, here is an update. the seating has changed since our NCC years almost 5 K against NDSU and no dead rabbits thrown on the court is better than a sell out and and a dead rabbit on the court. the only red we care about up here is the red and black of the bobcats. why add fuel to the fire when your AD decided to cut ties with us when we moved up??? your post proved to us your spelling is horrible. to say our basketball program has had no success is an understatement. I'd like to see your team beat Alabama or Kentucky in women's ball. anyways enjoy mediocore in d2. at least we made a decision to make a move.

jacksfaninne
06-13-2006, 10:06 PM
This post does prove one thing. SDSU fans still care alot about what happens with USD. With all the hating of USD that is shown from SDSU fans shows me the respect they still have for the red and white. If Rabbit fans didn't care or respect USD the response wouldn't have already reached 20 replies and counting. If your fans truley are focusing on D1 and all the benefits why is it when D1 teams come to Frost the arena draws about 2 or 3K but when USD comes it always sells out. It may be much about hate, but it also shows a respect. If USD moved up to D1 Frost and the Dakotadome would be back to selling out or nearly doing do. It's about rivalries and rivalries cannot be forced You can try to sell a product like Ball St or Valparaiso but the people in Brookings are still 5 times more enamored with USD. That is very hard to argue with. So go ahead and critisize me, I can deal with it but the attention that you have paid this post proves all that I needed to know.
You post on here that we're arrogant, and you're somehow surprised by the swift and heavy response? Then you say it's an indication of how important usd is to all of us. The pot calls the kettle what?

Haldersham
06-13-2006, 10:09 PM
Is it possible to hate and respect an institution such as USD at the same time? Seems a little contridictory.

89rabbit
06-13-2006, 11:09 PM
Coyote_Fan,

Let me tell you why your theory is all wet, it is called BigJake and Mavs #1. These two supporters of UNO have been coming over here to stir the pot for a long time and they can get an equal or greater response on this board then anything you have posted. Was UNO our rival? Did I respect UNO? Truth is I never really thought about UNO. I never hated UNO. Any D-I wannabe who comes over here can get the faithful riled up that is no accomplishment and proves nothing.

Heck a Dakota State supporter could post here get blasted by the board and it still wouldn’t change the fact that they like you play at a level below us. If you move up to D-I maybe you would be our rival again but until then you just aren’t and that is why I say good luck to you Coyotes. With some hard work and fund raising by your athletic department I am sure you can improve your program and rise above Northern State and become the dominate D-II school in South Dakota. Go get ‘em USD.


Go State, South Dakota's ONLY D-I University! 8-)

Coyote_Fan
06-14-2006, 01:45 AM
One thing that I have learned is that people that come on a board to critisize spelling usually only do so cause they don't have any other reason to formulate a reasonable response so they use those kinds of tactics as a comeback. Is it more lame to mispell words or call someone out for mispelling when that has nothing to do with the issue at hand. Those that call out other people for mispelling I am sure have never made a spelling or grammar error now have they. Do you also tell people to their face when they have a lisp, how annoying their speech is. Who really cares about spelling, it's not as if I am writing a resume or something. I am surely not here to impress anyone on this board.

1bunnies
06-14-2006, 06:36 AM
Your mission is accomplished. You have impressed no one. Now go back to the Butler Center (Dakota Dome) and mope.

89rabbit
06-14-2006, 07:53 AM
Hey Coyote_Fan,

Is this you?

http://coyotesports.proboards100.com/index.cgi?board=talk&action=display&thread=1144552 782&page=6

Coyote Fan wrote:

"If USD does not go Division 1 they will be considered inferior to UND, NDSU and especially SDSU. USD has to do whatever it takes to make the step up or they will lose alot of prestige in North and South Dakota. They would be the only U or State U in the Dakota's to be in D2. To me this is unacceptable especially considering the kinds of schools that are joining D2 athletics.

When I went to school at USD it was an institution that was part of the best all around conference in D2. The NCC was prestigous. Now the NCC is a fragile conference on the verge of nearly being extinct. Right now many of the schools that brought good crowds to the Dakotadome are gone or on the verge of being so. The excitement level for basketball has been on the downslide since SDSU left for D1.

If USD stays D2 it is as good as a downgrade in my opinion. USD may be playing teams like Minot St, Mary and Black Hills St. As Coyote fans is that who you want as your peers. That could very well be on the horizon if USD doesn't do something aside from nothing. The entire image of USD will go down if this is the case. Schools are made or broken often times by athletics unless your a Harvard, Yale or Stanford and USD is not that. It is going to take some tough decisions and a ton of fund raising to do it but I would rather die trying that make the decision to be dead already in a weakened 5 state area of D2 athletics. If the NCC and D2 were in better overall shape I wouldn't nearly have the same issues with staying as I do now. USD has a chance to pair up with UND as NDSU did with SDSU. The time is now to move up if UND does. SDSU is struggling a bit in certain areas but at least they are going forward and not looking back. Does USD want to be paired with SDSU or Black Hills State. You choose.

Personally if things continue to deteriorate in D2 and the NCC I will be less likely to make the tip to the dome to see Coyote athletics because it's not the Coyotes athletics I have grown to love over the years. If it comes to donating to the school I can be sure I wouldn't give a dime to athletics if they are going to settle for less that they could settle for. If USD shows forward vision and makes an attempt to move up I will consider giving my fair share to making it happen.

I can gaurentee one thing though and this is really the bread and butter of the entire argument and which would be the breaking point for me as a fan. If USD excepts a situation where they are in a division or league that reduces from the current 36 scholarships in football I will be extremely disappointed.

By the was the fans have already reacted and posted it looks like I am in the minority in wanting to move up if UND does. I will not accept a lower standard of USD athletics and neither should you. a D2 NCC without UND and the addition of a few weaker schools is a lower standard like it or not. Might as well drop down and joing the GPAC as far as I am concerned. That is said with a bit of sarcasm so don't go freaking out."



I would like to thank the individual who PMed me to make me aware of this post, it is good stuff. Thanks! 8-)

Go State! :)

SF_Rabbit_Fan
06-14-2006, 08:23 AM
I am surely not here to impress anyone on this board.


Why are you here?

SUPERBUNNY
06-14-2006, 08:36 AM
I am surely not here to impress anyone on this board.


Why are you here?


Two theories:

1. I would imagine the spelling got him ridiculed to the point he couldn't handle the heat on the 'Yote board. After all, they consider themsleves so intellectually superior!

2. Coyote_Fan picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue.

Best of luck to USD in the future!

Adios Coyote_Fan!

SUPERBUNNY

jackrabit1
06-14-2006, 09:41 AM
You know, what Coyote Fan is smacking about is indicitive of a long-standing bout of envy on the part of Coyotes... especially if you've ever read the book "The College on the Hill" by Amy Dunkle and V.J. Smith (darn good read, by the way!)

Ever since our humble little "cow college" surpassed the "flagship" in attendance, USD has tried to...

1) STEAL SDSU's College of Pharmacy in the 1950s

2) RIP a major part out of SDSU's heritage by trying to get rid of our engineering college TWICE!!! Once in the 1930s (to take for itself) and the second time in 1971, when the Regents considered moving the college to SD Tech... most of the Regents were either USD grads or connected in some way to USD.

3) BACKSTAB other schools by asking for their help when Regental decisions would have reduced USD degree offerings by 20-percent. Those schools came to their aid, but when other schools faced similar fates (including SDSU and Northern), USD did not lift a FINGER to help those schools.

And you have the GALL to call us ARROGANT???? SCREW U!

And by the way... the only "Pride" is the "Pride of the Dakotas" the marching band for, guess what? SOUTH DAKOTA STATE UNIVERSITY!!!!


The lesson, Coyote Fan, never get in a war of wits with those who buy their ink by the gallon!

jackmd
06-14-2006, 11:19 AM
This post does prove one thing. SDSU fans still care alot about what happens with USD. With all the hating of USD that is shown from SDSU fans shows me the respect they still have for the red and white. If Rabbit fans didn't care or respect USD the response wouldn't have already reached 20 replies and counting. If your fans truley are focusing on D1 and all the benefits why is it when D1 teams come to Frost the arena draws about 2 or 3K but when USD comes it always sells out. It may be much about hate, but it also shows a respect. If USD moved up to D1 Frost and the Dakotadome would be back to selling out or nearly doing do. It's about rivalries and rivalries cannot be forced You can try to sell a product like Ball St or Valparaiso but the people in Brookings are still 5 times more enamored with USD. That is very hard to argue with. So go ahead and critisize me, I can deal with it but the attention that you have paid this post proves all that I needed to know.

I have little or no respect for most things as the apply to USD. To suggest that Brookings residents are "enamored" with USD is ridiculous at best. The replies all pertain to advantages SDSU has over a smaller school that has long been envious of the more successful institution we here know as our alma mater.

If you think our attention to this post has anything to do with concern about USD or yourself, then you my friend need to check out of that ivory tower. Really, I find your posts entertaining as they only solidify my assertions about USD fans, they all wish they had what we do. A storied history of past success and a future with endless possibility. I don't think you or most USD fans feel that way right now.

Jacks-D1
06-14-2006, 02:57 PM
However Coyote Fan is correct about attendance. A game between SDSU and USD will draw almost twice the attendance of any other school that SDSU might play. Frost Arena games between SDSU/USD sell out (used to sell out). Frost Arena games between SDSU/NDSU (our new rival) draw maybe 4 or 5 thousand.

Ozark_Jack
06-14-2006, 03:07 PM
coyote Fan,
I have no "respect" for usd, and I do not miss the rivalry in any way. On the other hand I respect NDSU's program and our newfound rivalry with the Bison. They run a very nice, quality program and I love the competition and ferocity of the games with them-They are a peer institution to SDSU.
I dont view usd in this light at all. NDSU has class, and I like the interaction with their fans prior to games, I cant say the same for your program having any class or wanting to interact with any coyote fans. Please stay D2 where you belong.

jackrabbit1979
06-14-2006, 05:36 PM
However Coyote Fan is correct about attendance. A game between SDSU and USD will draw almost twice the attendance of any other school that SDSU might play. Frost Arena games between SDSU/USD sell out (used to sell out). Frost Arena games between SDSU/NDSU (our new rival) draw maybe 4 or 5 thousand.

You have to remember that SDSU/USD had one hundred and some odd years to develop into the rivalry that we all saw at the turn of this last centrury. Plus it had other aspects going for it like the fact we both resided in the same state. SDSU/NDSU is well on its way to being a healthy strong rivalry, we just have to give it some time (and i don't mean the hundred some years we gave the other rivalry).

On the other hand, I will be the first to admit I would probably rather see SDSU/USD play than SDSU/Utah Valley State like was mentioned earlier in the thread. Does this make me a backwards thinker, maybe. It doesn't mean that I am not 100% a supporter of the Division 1 move. I just envision the positives of D1 like playing the gophers, nebraska, montana, uni, and others more than some of the lower level d1 schools. I would assume this is how many of SDSU's fans feel, and maybe just don't say it publically too much...maybe i am wrong. It seems to me the vocal supporters of never playing USD etc. again are our loyal supporters from outside of SD. Does this have a correlation, who knows? But maybe these fans didn't see too many of the SDSU/USD games in the recent past anyway, so they aren't missing those events now. Just ramblings from me, they may be far off base, and if so let me have it.

Go Jacks!

Ozark_Jack
06-14-2006, 10:51 PM
I'm out of state. I saw ALL of the SDSU/usd games right up until the end. and I still don't care about them.
Moved up... Moved on...

Haldersham
06-15-2006, 07:16 AM
However Coyote Fan is correct about attendance. A game between SDSU and USD will draw almost twice the attendance of any other school that SDSU might play. Frost Arena games between SDSU/USD sell out (used to sell out). Frost Arena games between SDSU/NDSU (our new rival) draw maybe 4 or 5 thousand.

You have to remember that SDSU/USD had one hundred and some odd years to develop into the rivalry that we all saw at the turn of this last centrury. Plus it had other aspects going for it like the fact we both resided in the same state. SDSU/NDSU is well on its way to being a healthy strong rivalry, we just have to give it some time (and i don't mean the hundred some years we gave the other rivalry).

On the other hand, I will be the first to admit I would probably rather see SDSU/USD play than SDSU/Utah Valley State like was mentioned earlier in the thread. Does this make me a backwards thinker, maybe. It doesn't mean that I am not 100% a supporter of the Division 1 move. I just envision the positives of D1 like playing the gophers, nebraska, montana, uni, and others more than some of the lower level d1 schools. I would assume this is how many of SDSU's fans feel, and maybe just don't say it publically too much...maybe i am wrong. It seems to me the vocal supporters of never playing USD etc. again are our loyal supporters from outside of SD. Does this have a correlation, who knows? But maybe these fans didn't see too many of the SDSU/USD games in the recent past anyway, so they aren't missing those events now. Just ramblings from me, they may be far off base, and if so let me have it.

Go Jacks!

The move to D1 has been a very hard sell and probably continues to be so. I think the media and all other parties were not looking for this move when it came on the scene a few years back. If there had been an existing demand and clamour to move to D1 WITHIN SOUTH DAKOTA AND SPECIFICALLY SIOUX FALLS, when we started this process, we woulld have a much different preception and acceptance. This was not the case. This is why it is a hard sell.

I dont think there is any correlation with alums in terms of location etc. I am sure those that are circulating everyday with people who have never heard of South Dakota State see the move as an advantage in the job market. If we are at least getting our name on the ESPN sticker each Saturday, it means something to them in terms of talking points with co-workers who have Ivy league, B10 and B12 creditials. So I suppose D1 has a great deal of meaning and more positive to those who are in the urban job market. I dont think for a minute that these same outofstate and urban alums have not cared about the USD games or followed them in the recent years. The Alumni Association has worked with USD and NDSU both on closed circuit video broadcasts and they have shown a great deal of interest. Its been one of the more sucessful things that the Alumni Assoication has accompolished. So out of staters do care about the USD games.

There is no question it would be nice and even helpful from every view point if USD had moved up with SDSU, but for countless reasons that dominate the archieves of this board, it did not happen. Right now, I see USD being forced to deal with this issue of moving up. I look for the adminstration at USD to start making the move to D1. Its always been their preception on everything looking bigger and better that what exists at SDSU. Someone else on this board mentioned more than once that USD never seems to evaluate decisions on how it will affect USD, but rather will it be bigger and better than what exists at SDSU.

jackrabbit1979
06-15-2006, 09:53 AM
I'm out of state. I saw ALL of the SDSU/usd games right up until the end. and I still don't care about them.
Moved up... Moved on...

I was afraid that was the response I was going to receive, I wasn't trying to single you out Ozark, or any other of our out of state alums on the board. What I was trying to get at was the casual fan who lives in South Texas is most likely more excited about us playing UTPA and TAMCC than USD purely for the fact they get to watch their jacks play more often. Similar reasoning as to why certain fans are rooting for certain conferences because the geography fits their situation better. I would think that truly they want the best situation for SDSU no matter what, but selfishly they may be hoping "their" conference comes through so it would be more convenient for them too. It's only natural to think this way.

What I was getting at personally was that i would rather see us play USD or UND (minus the extreme hatred if that's possible) in front of 8000 crazy fans than see us play Mississippi Valley St in front of 1100 impartials. Now would i give up playing Mississippi Valley for USD if that meant we couldn't play Montana, UNI, Wisconsin, Baylor, Minnesota, Illinois, etc...not a chance. That is why I am a supporter of the Division 1 move. The great experiences at the highest levels of D1 and D1AA and the exposure and positive impact it has on the university as a whole. Believe me, outside SD the fact that SDSU is a Division 1 university is making strides with prospective students and the public looking at our university. It will only be a few years until this starts to happen inside our state as well.

RodentiaX1
06-15-2006, 01:05 PM
An SDSU-USD game would be a draw, but D-I teams almost never play D-II teams on the road. It's likely that USD would insist on a home-and-home series, and it's unlikely that SDSU would agree to this. If USD ever decides to make the move to D-I, the series would likely continue again.

jackrabbit1979
06-15-2006, 01:24 PM
Just to clarify, I am not advocating that we start to play USD or UND again right now because it would mean we would lose all the benefits that have come with the move which i truly enjoy. I am just saying I enjoyed that environment more than the games versus the bottom of D1 that we have seen lately. Our games with solid mid majors, the excitement of playing the big boys, and our games with NDSU are a different story all together. It all comes with the territory of the move, and it is all about weighing the positives and negatives. Believe me, I am not willing to give up the positives of the move for three games a year versus USD.

RodentiaX1
06-15-2006, 02:05 PM
If SDSU is doing to play at least a couple D-II games for the forseeable future, how about a game against Northern State? It would be a well-attended game against an good D-II instate opponent.

thebluehatman
06-15-2006, 03:09 PM
northern state sdsu game would be a good one lots of talent on that roster from the area around brookings. the only respect i have for usd alumni are the ones who go from sdsu to usd to further their education. to get respect you have to show respect and for most of the usd alumni they have none towards sdsu and it goes on as generations of coyotes go through whatever it is you call your hallowed halls. anyways nag about what you want to usd people we made the move for the state. you may have the argus leader bias because lord knows stu and mick love the u.

MilwaukeeJacksAlum
06-16-2006, 08:58 AM
To address the subject line of this thread, the teams of which I was a participant went 4-1 against USD and Augie in my 4 1/2 years of college. I'm arrogant about that and I rub it into the faces of all my USD/Augie family and friends. I believe I've earned the right. Now, wait for the emoticon because here it comes... ;)

filbert
06-16-2006, 02:03 PM
Has anyone noticed this seems to be a pretty one-sided discussion?

Hello, Coyote_Fan, are you there? Or did you find out, as King Arthur did in the Holy Grail movie, that it's not wise to stumble unprepared into the rabbit's den?


ARTHUR: Three. Three. And we'd better not risk another frontal assault, that rabbit's dynamite.
ROBIN: Would it help to confuse it if we run away more?
ARTHUR: Oh, shut up and go and change your armor.
GALAHAD: Let us taunt it! It may become so cross that it will make a mistake.
ARTHUR: Like what?
GALAHAD: Well,....
ARTHUR: Have we got bows?
???: No.
LAUNCELOT: We have the Holy Hand Grenade.
ARTHUR: Yes, of course! The Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch! 'Tis one of the sacred relics Brother Maynard carries with him! Brother Maynard! Bring up the Holy Hand Grenade!


Patiently awaiting the Holy Hand Grenade . . .

89rabbit
06-16-2006, 03:04 PM
Has anyone noticed this seems to be a pretty one-sided discussion?

Hello, Coyote_Fan, are you there? Or did you find out, as King Arthur did in the Holy Grail movie, that it's not wise to stumble unprepared into the rabbit's den?


ARTHUR: Three. Three. And we'd better not risk another frontal assault, that rabbit's dynamite.
ROBIN: Would it help to confuse it if we run away more?
ARTHUR: Oh, shut up and go and change your armor.
GALAHAD: Let us taunt it! It may become so cross that it will make a mistake.
ARTHUR: Like what?
GALAHAD: Well,....
ARTHUR: Have we got bows?
???: No.
LAUNCELOT: We have the Holy Hand Grenade.
ARTHUR: Yes, of course! The Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch! 'Tis one of the sacred relics Brother Maynard carries with him! Brother Maynard! Bring up the Holy Hand Grenade!


Patiently awaiting the Holy Hand Grenade . . .

filbert,

I think it is my fault. We have seen neither hide nor hair (or should I say hare ;) ;D ) of our freind from USD since I posted this:


Hey Coyote_Fan,

Is this you?

http://coyotesports.proboards100.com/index.cgi?board=talk&action=display&thread=1144552 782&page=6

Coyote Fan wrote:

"If USD does not go Division 1 they will be considered inferior to UND, NDSU and especially SDSU. USD has to do whatever it takes to make the step up or they will lose alot of prestige in North and South Dakota. They would be the only U or State U in the Dakota's to be in D2. To me this is unacceptable especially considering the kinds of schools that are joining D2 athletics.

When I went to school at USD it was an institution that was part of the best all around conference in D2. The NCC was prestigous. Now the NCC is a fragile conference on the verge of nearly being extinct. Right now many of the schools that brought good crowds to the Dakotadome are gone or on the verge of being so. The excitement level for basketball has been on the downslide since SDSU left for D1.

If USD stays D2 it is as good as a downgrade in my opinion. USD may be playing teams like Minot St, Mary and Black Hills St. As Coyote fans is that who you want as your peers. That could very well be on the horizon if USD doesn't do something aside from nothing. The entire image of USD will go down if this is the case. Schools are made or broken often times by athletics unless your a Harvard, Yale or Stanford and USD is not that. It is going to take some tough decisions and a ton of fund raising to do it but I would rather die trying that make the decision to be dead already in a weakened 5 state area of D2 athletics. If the NCC and D2 were in better overall shape I wouldn't nearly have the same issues with staying as I do now. USD has a chance to pair up with UND as NDSU did with SDSU. The time is now to move up if UND does. SDSU is struggling a bit in certain areas but at least they are going forward and not looking back. Does USD want to be paired with SDSU or Black Hills State. You choose.

Personally if things continue to deteriorate in D2 and the NCC I will be less likely to make the tip to the dome to see Coyote athletics because it's not the Coyotes athletics I have grown to love over the years. If it comes to donating to the school I can be sure I wouldn't give a dime to athletics if they are going to settle for less that they could settle for. If USD shows forward vision and makes an attempt to move up I will consider giving my fair share to making it happen.

I can gaurentee one thing though and this is really the bread and butter of the entire argument and which would be the breaking point for me as a fan. If USD excepts a situation where they are in a division or league that reduces from the current 36 scholarships in football I will be extremely disappointed.

By the was the fans have already reacted and posted it looks like I am in the minority in wanting to move up if UND does. I will not accept a lower standard of USD athletics and neither should you. a D2 NCC without UND and the addition of a few weaker schools is a lower standard like it or not. Might as well drop down and joing the GPAC as far as I am concerned. That is said with a bit of sarcasm so don't go freaking out."



I would like to thank the individual who PMed me to make me aware of this post, it is good stuff. Thanks! 8-)

Go State! :)






Oh well.


Go State! :)

filbert
06-16-2006, 03:06 PM
Oh, so YOU had the Holy Hand Grenade all along!

Well, it's safer in Rabbit hands anyway . . .

jackrabit1
06-16-2006, 03:22 PM
Better than mine, I'd probably try to EAT the dang thing! ;D

89rabbit
06-16-2006, 03:32 PM
When one gets into a battle of wits with a USD fans, why does my mind always go back to the Untouchables. . .

http://umd.labrinidis.org/hoff/movies/apr97/Untouchables.jpg


(Thick Irish accent) ". . . isn't that just like a Coyote bringing a knife to a gun fight?"


Go State! :)

SUPERBUNNY
06-16-2006, 04:26 PM
I don't care what school you root for, that's funny!!! ;D ;D ;D

SUPERBUNNY

JBNJBQ
06-17-2006, 07:52 AM
usdII's decision making process revealed:



http://www.chaosproject.com/Humour/ais20010201.gif



Coyote_Fan, arrogance is believing anyone else cares about your decision. Have a nice life in dII.


;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


JBNJBQ

Jacked_Up
06-17-2006, 01:53 PM
My, my, Coyote Fan. Lighten up. Go have some fun. We're talking about games. The bitterness, intolerance and jealousy you express about a sister institution cannot be healthy.